Wow Orboros got massacred!

[poobslag]

Orboros was pretty broken but they literally cut its damage from 5 down to 1 in the new update, ha ha

I took it without knowing about the change and literally dropped from 100 hp to 0 in the next fight, it's impossible to kill anything

[Impo]

Yeah, it's gone from a fun little event that I'm happy to come across to absolute trash.

It is completely and utterly unviable in Cruciball now.

[AtemAndrew13]

It already required you to sacrifice your build, and hurts you when discarded. Even if it's part of 'the' cheese strat, this basically makes it entirely worthless - and arguably inferior to the echorb, even if the echorb doesn't actually do its own damage.

[Xalerion0]

Same. It killed my run. Took my a minute to understand why I wasn't doing any damage.

[Goottisipuli]

Hey, its still remove orb event, there is that atleast

[Jakethebeest]

orboros actually got 2 minor buffs to compensate. it gets more echo. up to echo 80 now. and echo itself got changed and now persists across reloads. its not as powerful as it was, but honestly its not as bad to use.

[Nordos/atord]

Originally posted by Jakethebeest:

orboros actually got 2 minor buffs to compensate. it gets more echo. up to echo 80 now. and echo itself got changed and now persists across reloads. its not as powerful as it was, but honestly its not as bad to use.

well yes, but you still need some way to buff your non crit or crit damage in some form to do any meaningful damage - to begin with, the damage is, without relics, single target. So, you need to reliably one shot enemies at some point, and not waste the first 5 shots before dealing some form of damage through the echo stacking.

[Jakethebeest]

Originally posted by Nordos/atord:

well yes, but you still need some way to buff your non crit or crit damage in some form to do any meaningful damage - to begin with, the damage is, without relics, single target. So, you need to reliably one shot enemies at some point, and not waste the first 5 shots before dealing some form of damage through the echo stacking.

honestly the way i see it. orboros needs some sort of high damage support to be useful. omegorb. Orblation, Ohmygorb!, are all pretty good options to pair with it. orbs that you wouldn't want to throw that often but it can carry its damage to orboros with echo. it can't be your soul source of damage past act 1

[romorosso]

I inadvertently killed a run by choosing the Matroshka boss relic after getting the new Orboros. I couldn't figure out why I wasn't dealing any damage. There's so many boss relics that make a lot of orbs into 0/0. It's so dumb because it means it's basically never correct to take those relics if you have any of those orbs. Add on to that the boss relics that remove your only refresh when playing on higher cruciball and most boss relics wind up being trash. There really should be a better way to balance these relics. Something like the Matroshka one could be +1 Multiball but 0.5x damage.

[Nordos/atord]

Okay, turns out, Oroboros is acctually still good - on the Spinventor. Yeah, being a 2/4 is a tad stronger tan being a 1/2. Its still not 'great', but with the right Relic Support, you can clear high crucibels.
But without the right relics (including starting one)? Eh, its bad. I kiiiinda see why they nerfed it, but they could have just outright deleted it alltogether.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

game is getting greedy like i predicted.