THANK YOU FOR REMOVING DENUVO

[Minute-globe]

I CAN BUY THIS NOW https://steamdb.info/app/1295510/history/?changeid=U:23098371

[Tim Allahn SnAckbarr]

Publicado originalmente por ShockedHearts:

Publicado originalmente por Tim Allahn SnAckbarr:

Mods are presumably reluctant to lock threads (as they should). There was some worthwhile discussion happening in this one, so i'm hoping they don't unless it becomes the kind of circle-jerking circus like (that other thread) did.

I agree, there are some good chats in these threads. its just the immense amount of them that exist in every other game, which are usually very negative in nature and have a lot of vindictive people in them. I guess what I'm saying is it kinda invites a lot of negativity to the games community when you talk about denuvo.

I sympathize quite a bit with that sentiment. I think greater consumer awareness of Denuvo's implementation is a good thing, however. All the better if people are informed about Denuvo (or in this thread's case: that Denuvo is no longer being used), as that does make a difference for a lot of consumers. There was a huge uptick in sales[steamdb.info] when they removed Denuvo, of course this also coincided a few days after a fairly hefty discount, but my (limited) observation is that it had a significant impact on its own.

I would say that almost any thread on the Steam forum gets derailed at some point by somebody who has no legitimate interest in said discussion and instead use it as a platform for projecting their personal grievances.

[ShockedHearts]

Publicado originalmente por Minuteworld94:

Publicado originalmente por ShockedHearts:

lol k

good argument.

I've learned to not argue with brick walls.

[Dave]

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

Publicado originalmente por Dave:

Its almost creepy how people defend anti consumer practices sometimes.

You have to understand for most people, it's just parroting what they heard someone else say, without having any understanding of what it is they are actually saying.

Then you have the people with the SJW mentality. They need to feel morally superior to everyone, so they are outraged about everything and they never stop the bluster long enough to actually approach something unbiased and research it. They just see the new thing to be outraged over -- in this case being anti-Denuvo -- and then call everyone pirates. Because they think they get +1 morals.

These are very, very insecure people that willfully lie to themselves so they can sleep at night thinking they are the "good" people.

No one who doesn't work for Denuvo or a game company would actually shill for Denuvo otherwise.

I mean I get that and I try not to be too awful to people about it but even in the cases when Denuvo does nothing (as in not even 1 fps difference) its still not doing you, the consumer, who paid money, anything other than adding a time bomb that may or may not ever prevent your access from something you paid for. I'd even be willing to be on board with companies who think it helps save day one sales if there was a promise to remove it in a few months because lets be honest that will slow some groups down from bothering to try and crack it and anyone willing to wait the few months would have waited for the crack anyway.

[REM 🔋]

Publicado originalmente por Dave:

I'd even be willing to be on board with companies who think it helps save day one sales if there was a promise to remove it in a few months

That'd be great, but it's never gonna happen.

[Minute-globe]

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

Publicado originalmente por Dave:

I'd even be willing to be on board with companies who think it helps save day one sales if there was a promise to remove it in a few months

That'd be great, but it's never gonna happen.

cause it totally didn't happen with this game. right now. or with monster hunter world recently.

[REM 🔋]

Publicado originalmente por Minuteworld94:

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

That'd be great, but it's never gonna happen.

cause it totally didn't happen with this game. right now. or with monster hunter world recently.

Was there a promise it was gonna be removed in this game or any other game after a few months? <------ Rhetorical question.

I don't know what you read, but it's not what I quoted and responded to. This is pretty specific in what was being talked about. When companies actually say we'll remove Denuvo in _ months, that's what we were talking about.

Carry on with your imaginary "conversation" if you like, though.

[Tim Allahn SnAckbarr]

Publicado originalmente por Minuteworld94:

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

That'd be great, but it's never gonna happen.

cause it totally didn't happen with this game. right now. or with monster hunter world recently.

Trials of Mana, Doom 2016, Two-Point Hospital, RE2Make, Hitman (series), Batman:Arkham (series), DQ Builders 2, Octopath Traveler, Dishonored (series), Devil May Cry 5, RE3Make, Sonic Mania, Mass Effect, FF12, RAGE 2, Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite, Megaman 11, Resident Evil 7, Borderlands 3, Death Stranding, Yakuza 0...

You know what? Maybe I should just post a link to the whole list: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/list/38826

[REM 🔋]

Publicado originalmente por Tim Allahn SnAckbarr:

You know what? Maybe I should just post a link to the whole list: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/list/38826

What you should be posting the link to, is where the companies said they'll remove Denuvo in a few months and did it. You can start with a link to Square saying they would do that with this game... I'll wait. <--- I'm not really gonna wait.

But your other list is nice and all. Not sure why you posted it, though.

[REM 🔋]

I'm not even gonna pretend to know who you're having this argument with at this point. All I know is it has nothing to do with what I said.

Carry on.

[fabio.capela]

Publicado originalmente por Minuteworld94:

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

That'd be great, but it's never gonna happen.

cause it totally didn't happen with this game. right now. or with monster hunter world recently.

If a certain leak is to be believed, the recent uptick in new-ish games removing Denuvo might have more to do with Denuvo now contractually restricting how long the game can be sold with Denuvo. So after the initial contracted period ends the publisher has to either pay Denuvo more money (which could make the game unprofitable and makes no sense if it has been cracked anyway), stop selling the game altogether (meaning lost revenues and bad PR), or remove Denuvo (which should cost next to nothing because devs need a Denuvo-free internal build for debugging anyway, so they likely already have a version without Denuvo that can be just pushed out).

[Tim Allahn SnAckbarr]

Publicado originalmente por fabio.capela:

Publicado originalmente por Minuteworld94:

cause it totally didn't happen with this game. right now. or with monster hunter world recently.

If a certain leak is to be believed, the recent uptick in new-ish games removing Denuvo might have more to do with Denuvo now contractually restricting how long the game can be sold with Denuvo. So after the initial contracted period ends the publisher has to either pay Denuvo more money (which could make the game unprofitable and makes no sense if it has been cracked anyway), stop selling the game altogether (meaning lost revenues and bad PR), or remove Denuvo (which should cost next to nothing because devs need a Denuvo-free internal build for debugging anyway, so they likely already have a version without Denuvo that can be just pushed out).

^this

Publicado originalmente por Tim Allahn SnAckbarr:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/k0jdbg/heres_how_much_crytek_paid_for_denuvos

My understanding is that Denuvo has moved from a "lump sum" or "per-unit" pricing model to a subscription model. Now publishers pay X amount per-month for continued support as opposed to paying up-front and receiving a perpetual license (provided as-is). This might explain why we're seeing the trend among more-recent titles where Denuvo is being removed 6-12 months after release.

[gersen]

I somehow managed to miss that Denuvo was removed from this game, great news! I can purchase it now!

[treos100]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKsesO3bdv4

[REM 🔋]

The people who believe Denuvo is the best thing ever will never change their minds. No amount of statistics and facts will have any effect on them. They've already been brainwashed to believe that Denuvo is perfect and anyone who has issues with it is a pirate.

[ShockedHearts]

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

The people who believe Denuvo is the best thing ever will never change their minds. No amount of statistics and facts will have any effect on them. They've already been brainwashed to believe that Denuvo is perfect and anyone who has issues with it is a pirate.

or that denuvo has never once negatively effected them so they have zero contrivances with it. such as I who only knows about it from these threads, and havent ever personally witnessed any issues stated.

of course I know it presents issues.