Why I consider the original as the Definitive Edition

[fastica]

https://imgur.com/a/3D8piY3

Don't get me wrong, the extras from the DE are great, but I see the graphics all the time and the extras some of the time. After playing 10 hours of both versions, the difference in graphics quality is too noticeable.

The original version has...

- Sharper shadows with better viewing range
- Dynamic shadows that move with the sun
- Ambient occlusion
- Much more grass. The outdoor level looks so much better (check the second scene)
- Foliage, bushes and tall flowers move when you pass though them
- View distance is much better in the original. You can see people from much farther away
- Better geometry in objects. For example, the forge looks rounded in the OG and looks like an hexagon in the DE. The same with pots and other objects. Even the protagonist hair looks better in the original
- Better lighting overall
- Screen space reflections
- Depth of field in distant landscape
- Better textures
- The DE has clipping and misaligned texture in many places

There's too much downgrade in graphics to make it a pleasant experience. I understand that some differences are nit picking, but most of them are very noticeable even without a side by side comparison.

Don't hate me, though. It's just my opinion. If you don't care about graphics the DE is the best version for you.

[Khronikos]

Publicado originalmente por pacheco.ja93:

Publicado originalmente por reddog000:

It is called "disgusting business ethics"! No way else to describe it except for what it is.

Sad.

I've never played a DQ game and wanted to start with this one since it looked beautiful but, after reading all of this, I think I'll just pass.

I'll keep an eye on the forum in case they update the game or something.

And, man, why does it feel like SE despises PC users? It's just absurd.

I would never pass the game up one way or another though. Even this edition is okay, it just lacks the majesty of the original vision.

[HipnikDragomir]

Uh, wow. I never thought I'd see a discussion about a PC game and nobody gives a damn about the graphics... 2020 really did a number on society huh? Not that it's a significant downgrade, but the fact that they did makes zero sense. Shame.

[FOXDUDE69]

Publicado originalmente por HipnikDragomir:

Uh, wow. I never thought I'd see a discussion about a PC game and nobody gives a damn about the graphics... 2020 really did a number on society huh? Not that it's a significant downgrade, but the fact that they did makes zero sense. Shame.

Well, it does make financial sense for Square. Porting the Switch port required less effort than porting the DE content to the original PC version. And they knew hardcore fans would buy the game a second time so here we are. I was somewhat surprised to see the so called PC master race just eat it and not review bomb to ensure this wouldn't happen again. Next time the downgrade might be even worse.

[Zunnoab #931]

Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:

Publicado originalmente por HipnikDragomir:

Uh, wow. I never thought I'd see a discussion about a PC game and nobody gives a damn about the graphics... 2020 really did a number on society huh? Not that it's a significant downgrade, but the fact that they did makes zero sense. Shame.

Well, it does make financial sense for Square. Porting the Switch port required less effort than porting the DE content to the original PC version. And they knew hardcore fans would buy the game a second time so here we are. I was somewhat surprised to see the so called PC master race just eat it and not review bomb to ensure this wouldn't happen again. Next time the downgrade might be even worse.

Now if they could just port Final Fantasy I, II, Tactics, and Adventures of Mana, etc. (All lazy ports ready to be brought from Android.)

[Joey Jojo Jr]

Publicado originalmente por HipnikDragomir:

Uh, wow. I never thought I'd see a discussion about a PC game and nobody gives a damn about the graphics... 2020 really did a number on society huh? Not that it's a significant downgrade, but the fact that they did makes zero sense. Shame.

The whole point of playing on the PC is to crank out high definition graphics. The fact they couldn't even bother just building on the older PC port and instead opt for a direct port is a real turn off for me personally. I wouldn't even care if they just gave a discount to people who bought the original but SE clearly didn't care about doing anything past the bare minimum.

[Redblaze27]

Publicado originalmente por Joey Jojo Jr:

Publicado originalmente por HipnikDragomir:

Uh, wow. I never thought I'd see a discussion about a PC game and nobody gives a damn about the graphics... 2020 really did a number on society huh? Not that it's a significant downgrade, but the fact that they did makes zero sense. Shame.

The whole point of playing on the PC is to crank out high definition graphics.

I can think of many other reasons.

[Mosh]

So did Nvidia victims just realise that all developers prioritize consoles? Especially Japanese ones.

[Elvick]

People still arguing about this I see, hilarious people can’t admit it’s downgraded. Nobody cares if you care or not. Just acknowledge it’s not as good as it should be on non-switch platforms. Because it isn’t.

Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:

Well, it does make financial sense for Square. Porting the Switch port required less effort than porting the DE content to the original PC version. And they knew hardcore fans would buy the game a second time so here we are. I was somewhat surprised to see the so called PC master race just eat it and not review bomb to ensure this wouldn't happen again. Next time the downgrade might be even worse.

Lol, no it doesn’t. The entire project was mishandled. They should have just released it on Switch to begin with. Or, finished the damn game on PS4, PC, etc by releasing some DLC and then ported it to completed to Switch with the visual downgrades.

Downgrading every version just to get the Extra content of the Swotch version is stupid and people defending it are ridiculous. Demand a little better from the lazy corporations you defend for free.

They did it completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Let’s make PS4 version and 3DS. Then post it to PC, only to later downgrade it with more content to Switch… okay, now ♥♥♥♥ the people who bought the original buy the whole game again, in worse condition, for some dlc content and a few QoL features that could’ve been patched.

Great development decisions.

[Redblaze27]

Ya'll gonna be upset with Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D

[Tim Allahn SnAckbarr]

Publicado originalmente por Redblaze27:

Ya'll gonna be upset with Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D

REEEE DOWNGRADED PORT

[REM 🔋]

Publicado originalmente por Redblaze27:

Ya'll gonna be upset with Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D

Not sure what imaginary people you're talking about, but I'll be getting it. And the only reason I have to buy this NOT definitive version of DQ11 is for the 2-D mode.

But please tell me more how I'm gonna be disappointed.
I beat the original Dragon Warrior 3 on NES before you were born.

[Redblaze27]

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

Publicado originalmente por Redblaze27:

Ya'll gonna be upset with Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D

Not sure what imaginary people you're talking about

The "Its not state of the art graphics, so its bad" crowd.

[REM 🔋]

Publicado originalmente por Redblaze27:

The "Its not state of the art graphics, so its bad" crowd.

That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of what people are actually saying about NOT Definitive Edition and you know it. Stop with this nonsense already.

People aren't happy because the "Definitive" version is a lesser version than the DQ11 that is already on PC. All they had to do was add the 2D mode and other additions to it and sell it as DLC. Instead they only added to the Wii version and then ported that everywhere else. It's super lazy and makes SquareE look like douches.

This is all $20 DLC at best. And that's what it should've been. That's why people are peeved.

[FOXDUDE69]

Publicado originalmente por Redblaze27:

Publicado originalmente por lantern48 🔋:

Not sure what imaginary people you're talking about

The "Its not state of the art graphics, so its bad" crowd.

Trials of Mana wasn't state of the art and looked beautiful.
Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D will never be on that level. HD-2D shouldn't even be used to describe pixel art. Pixel art is low res art. If you gonna call it HD-2D, make the game with high res hand drawn sprites. And it would be nice if animations were improved too.

I won't be picking up Dragon Quest 3 until it is extremely discounted or part of a humble bundle. Pixel art is never going to match hand drawn art. It can still look good if the animation quality is great, like the upcoming Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge but DQ3 couldn't even do that.

Dragon Quest XI DE still looks good but the issue here is that the original game looked much better and now the "definitive" edition of the game on PC has Switch graphics with slightly upgraded textures. The tradeoff of the Switch version was portability, there is no such tradeoff for PC gamers.

Presentation matters. It's the reason why Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap feels like a modern 2D game even thought it plays exactly the same as the original.

[kak]

if you don't care about graphics you should go back to playing consoles.
pc gamers has been chasing for better graphics since the first 3d graphics accelerator came into market. there's a reason we get excited everytime a new generation of GPUs are announced.
as a pc gamer first and foremost, this downgrade is not acceptable, simple as.