Why cant we discuss the transphobic slurs rampant in the game?

[Macula]

i think it's not to much to ask, especially regarding what content the game is full of. Dailydot has an article that touches upon it near the bottom

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/corruption-of-champions-2-steam-adult-game/

[FrostySpoon]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Kit]

TBH I can understand some people taking offense to the word trap at times, but if it's not directed at them or misconstrued to mean trans women, I see no issue with it. I doooo kinda take offense to being called a 'Shemale' in a game where I just wanna ♥♥♥♥ monsters and grow 4 horse ♥♥♥♥♥. I understand it's not for everyone, but it's pretty simple to just add an 'option' to just sub out instances of the word for other means.

[ArtificialQT]

Publicado originalmente por Xochipilli:

Why do you think that just because one term that refers to feminine men is called a slur then all of them are? I personally just think using the word Trap to describe anyone is bad, because it insinuates trickery and it tricking people is never good.

Because we know that's what you're trying to do. We already see other trans extremists starting to appropriate and turn femboy into a slur.

We know for a fact that trans extremist groups will seek to eradicate us no matter what we call ourselves. And with that said:

I am a trap. My existence is not a slur.

[Ogami]

I dont get the whole argument.
"Trap" does not refer to transgender people.
Its a slang word for effeminate males who could pass for woman at first glance or even like to dress like them but DONT identify as female.

And the trap part is not some BS about being tricked by transgender people into sex or something like that.
Its about you not recognizing its a dude at first and feeling attraction to him because you think its a woman.
Thats the whole "trap" part. And not some nefarious transphobia slur.

I say that as someone who was big into that whole -chan culture in the 2000s where that whole term pretty much spread like wildfire.

Even today i only see it used in that definition on message boards and similar and confined nearly exclusive to Anime/Hentai and porn games.

[Kit]

Trap *should not* refer to trans people and be their own thing, but the issue that comes to light is that people who don't understand the word and its meanings will apply it to anything with a ♥♥♥♥ and looks feminine. It can range from anime characters to trans women in games, that's just a reality of it.

Trap originally came to meaning from the intent of the writer to fool people into thinking their character was female originally and translated as Otokonoko, or male daughter, and that's fine. As long as it's not applied in a context to trans people, sure, traps can be good for people to identify as to come to terms with a more feminine identity, or for someone to broaden their sexuality (haha inb4 traps_are_gay.deadmeme). Linetrap/Bailey Jay was a good example of this, and ultimately ended up being trans, but IDed as a very feminine guy for the meanwhile until then.

The issue stems from when other people put their own meanings out there. I know the anime community *at times* just conflates it with everyone who has a penis and looks girly, and that may be where some people get their connotations. Chan culture also plays into this from how often being a 'trap' was intertwined with someone's identity issues or just image board communities taking anything and twisting it into some incomprehensible BS.

Ultimately it shouldn't be an issue. We're adult enough to know what words mean, but they're subject to our connotative ideals of what they are in the current day and age. One person's word may not mean the same as another. It'd be best if these identities were clearly defined in the game, instead of making it subject to our whims.

[Stormy Dawn]

I think you are over-analyzing this. You are literally creating a bigger problem in your head than there realistically is related to these slurs. A mountain out of a molehill.

Slurs are not necessarily a bad thing - they are just words. It's about the meaning behind them and how a person chooses to be affected by it.

I'm bisexual myself, but I must admit I'm getting rather upset with this psuedo-branch of the LGBT community who thinks it is their mission to stamp out anything and everything that could be misconstrued as offensive. Let's not educate people on how to properly use words, or how to deal with what words means to you... let's just stop anyone from saying or thinking anything instead.

Anyway, I suppose the last thing I need to do is further take this further into a socio-political crapstorm. Point is, the descriptive words used in this game are commonly accepted, and often conform to a lot of people's fetishes. Honestly, if a person is offended by them, the only thing they realistically can and should do is just not play the game.

[Kit]

Publicado originalmente por Tsurayu:

Honestly, if a person is offended by them, the only thing they realistically can and should do is just not play the game.

I mean if we're going by that logic, then any reason is a reason why people should just stop playing a game instead of asking for changes. It's one thing to address something that distresses more than one person, and it's another thing to ask them to completely dismiss a work for the sake of how small their gripe may be with it. It doesn't take much for them to have a word subbed in for it, so why shouldn't we just have the most minor of potential features added to broaden an audience?

[Macula]

Publicado originalmente por Kit:

Trap *should not* refer to trans people and be their own thing, but the issue that comes to light is that people who don't understand the word and its meanings will apply it to anything with a ♥♥♥♥ and looks feminine. It can range from anime characters to trans women in games, that's just a reality of it.

Trap originally came to meaning from the intent of the writer to fool people into thinking their character was female originally and translated as Otokonoko, or male daughter, and that's fine. As long as it's not applied in a context to trans people, sure, traps can be good for people to identify as to come to terms with a more feminine identity, or for someone to broaden their sexuality (haha inb4 traps_are_gay.deadmeme). Linetrap/Bailey Jay was a good example of this, and ultimately ended up being trans, but IDed as a very feminine guy for the meanwhile until then.

The issue stems from when other people put their own meanings out there. I know the anime community *at times* just conflates it with everyone who has a penis and looks girly, and that may be where some people get their connotations. Chan culture also plays into this from how often being a 'trap' was intertwined with someone's identity issues or just image board communities taking anything and twisting it into some incomprehensible BS.

Ultimately it shouldn't be an issue. We're adult enough to know what words mean, but they're subject to our connotative ideals of what they are in the current day and age. One person's word may not mean the same as another. It'd be best if these identities were clearly defined in the game, instead of making it subject to our whims.

Good post, trap is applied all the time to anything vaguely feminine looking and doing so indirectly harms trans even if that wasnt their intent in the first place. Blame the heavy memers from 2017 that jumped on the trap train, people screaming trap at trans youtubers was rampant if you go back and take a look at their youtube comment sections then. r/animemes was full of these types so I wasnt shocked when mods decided to stomp down on it. Also I dont find traps a benefit to trans people, if anything in the end it comes of people just viewing trans as some type of fetish.

Hell I frequent /lgbt/ on 4chan all the time and see plenty of anti-trap stuff, even they arent 100% in love with it anymore but their hate seems to stem from ''it's cringe'' more than transphobic.

[Narmy]

Publicado originalmente por Kit:

I know the anime community *at times* just conflates it with everyone who has a penis and looks girly

That's because 99% of the time anyone in anime/manga with a penis who looks girly is either a trap or a futa, not trans.

[Kit]

Publicado originalmente por Narmy:

Publicado originalmente por Kit:

I know the anime community *at times* just conflates it with everyone who has a penis and looks girly

That's because 99% of the time anyone in anime/manga with a penis who looks girly is either a trap or a futa, not trans.

Then why are they using it for trans people.

[A Tasty Drainola Bar]

How about stop being offended by words like trap and shemale. Neither of those have anything to do with transsexuals.

[Kit]

Publicado originalmente por Drainola:

How about stop being offended by words like trap and shemale. Neither of those have anything to do with transsexuals.

if you put the word 'shemale' into google, just the word, it pops up with 'trans woman' on the right. I think there's a correlation, but you can see for yourself.

[A Tasty Drainola Bar]

Publicado originalmente por Kit:

Publicado originalmente por Drainola:

How about stop being offended by words like trap and shemale. Neither of those have anything to do with transsexuals.

if you put the word 'shemale' into google, just the word, it pops up with 'trans woman' on the right. I think there's a correlation, but you can see for yourself.

That's just google. When "we" use the term shemale we're generally talking about a sexually attractive 2D (or animated 3D) female with complete male bits below the waist. We're not referring to "real" transsexuals, therefore there's no reason to be offended by it.

Edit: I'm really not trying to be rude. I'm just tired of people getting offended at everything all the time.

[Kit]

Publicado originalmente por Drainola:

Publicado originalmente por Kit:

if you put the word 'shemale' into google, just the word, it pops up with 'trans woman' on the right. I think there's a correlation, but you can see for yourself.

That's just google. When "we" use the term shemale we're generally talking about a sexually attractive 2D (or animated 3D) female with complete male bits below the waist. We're not referring to "real" transsexuals, therefore there's no reason to be offended by it.

That's kind of a false equivalence. It's a term in use in the real world and in digital as well as 2D spaces. A word that doesn't transfer is Hentai, as it is exclusive to its medium and is entirely not real world events, but they can depict them. 'Shemale' is not that. Even depictions of 'shemales' are colored by our real world observations and are reflected in our portrayals of them, digital or not. It would make sense that real people who ARE referred to as 'shemales' to some extent may be uncomfortable by a digital comparison of it. A sample type of event would be to equate all white people to Rednecks, sure, it's blatantly incorrect, doesn't fully represent a whole population, and may make people angry, but saying it's '2D or 3D' does not mean people cannot get angry at your depictions of it.

[A Tasty Drainola Bar]

You're free to not like the word, just know not everyone shares your hatred of it. it's not by its nature offensive, so there's no reason to force censorship. If you don't like it, you can walk away. There's lots of things I don't like, but I don't try to get rid of it.