Why isn't there a way to lower feracity/virility/fertility?

[Joshua Kurayami]

There are quite a few ways to increase it, but nothing to lower feracity, virility and/or fertility, besides starting off with the sterile perk, but I'd like to make sure that I don't have to deal with pregnancy (In case i accidentally increase feracity/virility/fertility) that doesn't involve using blank powder and forgetting about taking it due to how long the effect lasts.

[Doesn't Learn From Mistakes]

Blank powder and brown leaf last until cancelled with pink draught, so...

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Doesn't Learn From Mistakes:

Blank powder and brown leaf last until cancelled with pink draught, so...

And the wiki says both of those items has a duration of 7 days.. unless that was somehow changed in an update and the wiki hasn't been updated or if the wiki's actually wrong.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

And the wiki says both of those items has a duration of 7 days.. unless that was somehow changed in an update and the wiki hasn't been updated or if the wiki's actually wrong.

The wiki needs a whole lot of love. It's still got huge amounts of outdated information.

Those items have no duration, they last until cancelled.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

The wiki needs a whole lot of love. It's still got huge amounts of outdated information.

Those items have no duration, they last until cancelled.

..Oh

Kinda makes me wonder why the temporary sterility from blank powder is the one that fixes the pregnancy problem better than the perk itself. Or I guess the better question should be about the existence of the sterile perk, since you can get blank powder right after the tutorial.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Kinda makes me wonder why the temporary sterility from blank powder is the one that fixes the pregnancy problem better than the perk itself. Or I guess the better question should be about the existence of the sterile perk, since you can get blank powder right after the tutorial.

Mechanically it makes no sense. Apparently Sterile doesn't make you sterile, and yeah, with a cheap and easily accessible way to make yourself sterile anyway, it's pretty useless.

It's possibly a roleplay thing. Like... the difference between your character being naturally incapable of conceiving or them being on artificial contraceptives. In which case it would still need to be fixed... assuming the wiki is right and Sterile doesn't really make you sterile. It would be silly for a character with Sterile to have to take contraceptive, but apparently here we are.

[Skandranon]

Iirc, Sterile was in the game before brown leaf/blank powder, so it's just a result if development.

Also, I think brown leaf was even later and was added probably because taking blank powder weekly was annoying.

So it's just kinda a case of more QOL stuff being added later that makes earlier stuff obsolete, but there's no real reason to remove the earlier stuff.

Could be misremembering the timelone tho.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

Mechanically it makes no sense. Apparently Sterile doesn't make you sterile, and yeah, with a cheap and easily accessible way to make yourself sterile anyway, it's pretty useless.

It's possibly a roleplay thing. Like... the difference between your character being naturally incapable of conceiving or them being on artificial contraceptives. In which case it would still need to be fixed... assuming the wiki is right and Sterile doesn't really make you sterile. It would be silly for a character with Sterile to have to take contraceptive, but apparently here we are.

..And here i thought blank powder actually had a duration.

Even in it was a roleplay thing, then it wouldn't make sense either since you can still get certain characters "pregnant", like the dryads and the whole seeds thing (Unless they only need the fluids and not the sperm itself) and Kiyoko, who, according to wiki, can still get pregnant even if you're sterile from the perk and from blank powder.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Even in it was a roleplay thing, then it wouldn't make sense either since you can still get certain characters "pregnant", like the dryads and the whole seeds thing (Unless they only need the fluids and not the sperm itself) and Kiyoko, who, according to wiki, can still get pregnant even if you're sterile from the perk and from blank powder.

I believe those are a combination of mechanical limitations and balance.

For example, a lot of people complained that Kiyoko's content is gated behind being male. The magic ♥♥♥♥ (whatever it's called) allowing females to impregnate her is technically a way to bypass that limitation, in a way that's easy to implement (the female is mechanically considered to have a penis and that's it). It doesn't make any sense, but it's... functional.

Also some pregnancies aren't actually pregnancies. If some monster stuffs a fertilized egg inside you, you will incubate it even though you're not genetically the parent. And if any sort of magic is involved, well, by definition what happens is not going to be logical.

The whole system is a bit messy, but I suppose it's understandable given all the unforeseeable issues that can pop up during development.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Skandranon:

Iirc, Sterile was in the game before brown leaf/blank powder, so it's just a result if development.

Also, I think brown leaf was even later and was added probably because taking blank powder weekly was annoying.

So it's just kinda a case of more QOL stuff being added later that makes earlier stuff obsolete, but there's no real reason to remove the earlier stuff.

Could be misremembering the timelone tho.

..But what's the point of having the sterile perk if it got replaced by two items that costs 10 coins each and can only be used once? I mean, they could have made sterile function as how blank powder works now, while the blank powder and brown leaf items get a duration slapped on again, while also introducing a new mechanic where you can automatically consume items that you want after the duration runs out.

Sterile perk would become useful again and people don't have to worry about impregnating people because of the automatic consumption.. though you would still have to keep yourself topped up with blank powder and brown leaf, which i'm sure most people would find more tolerable than keeping an eye out on the duration. Oh, and the pink draught gives sterile people the ability to impregnate, also with a duration.

[Pixel Peeper]

Well, the other person theorized that the items were added to the game after the perk. It could have been done as a way to allow players to take other starting perks, for them to be able to turn impregnation on/off at will, or as a cheap fix for the perk not really doing what it's supposed to. Your guess is as good as mine.

Come to think of it, they might have kept Sterile not working like you'd think it would specifically so that people have a way to procreate. They might have thought permanent infertility with no toggle was against the idea of transformation. If it were me I'd have made Sterile work like you'd think it would (zero chance of pregnancy) and made pregnancy available via other means. Like a magic potion that would override it temporarily or something.

Who knows. Different people have different ways of thinking, some developers implement things in ways that are incomprehensible to some players.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

For example, a lot of people complained that Kiyoko's content is gated behind being male. The magic ♥♥♥♥ (whatever it's called) allowing females to impregnate her is technically a way to bypass that limitation, in a way that's easy to implement (the female is mechanically considered to have a penis and that's it). It doesn't make any sense, but it's... functional.

..Wait, they did? I guess they didn't want to deal with transforming into hermaphrodites.. though a magic ♥♥♥♥ does sound fun, even as a skill that you can learn if you want to stick as a pure female. Though, I'm surprised people didn't complain about stuff being locked behind pregnancy rather than the whole.. genitals part. Guess a lot of people are into that kind of stuff.

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

Also some pregnancies aren't actually pregnancies. If some monster stuffs a fertilized egg inside you, you will incubate it even though you're not genetically the parent. And if any sort of magic is involved, well, by definition what happens is not going to be logical.

..Yeah I guess that part would make sense.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

Well, the other person theorized that the items were added to the game after the perk. It could have been done as a way to allow players to take other starting perks, for them to be able to turn impregnation on/off at will, or as a cheap fix for the perk not really doing what it's supposed to. Your guess is as good as mine.

Maybe? Though it's not like you can't get any other sexual starting perks from transformations and such. The only ones that you couldn't get besides Sterile (according to wiki) is Breeder, Buxom, Milky, Reserved and Size Queen.

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

Come to think of it, they might have kept Sterile not working like you'd think it would specifically so that people have a way to procreate. They might have thought permanent infertility with no toggle was against the idea of transformation. If it were me I'd have made Sterile work like you'd think it would (zero chance of pregnancy) and made pregnancy available via other means. Like a magic potion that would override it temporarily or something.

Who knows. Different people have different ways of thinking, some developers implement things in ways that are incomprehensible to some players.

Permanent infertility could have easily been dealt with, by not touching the amount of feracity your character has or gains from any sources and by switching the roles of black powder and pink draught. Anyone with the sterile perk would get "temporary fertility" from pink draught while blank powder removes it. Shouldn't have been that complicated to pull off.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Permanent infertility could have easily been dealt with, by not touching the amount of feracity your character has or gains from any sources and by switching the roles of black powder and pink draught. Anyone with the sterile perk would get "temporary fertility" from pink draught while blank powder removes it. Shouldn't have been that complicated to pull off.

At the simplest... make Sterile actually work, and make certain magic options (like the pink draught) able to temporarily override it.

That's it. For non-Sterile characters, everything else (changes to feracity, contraceptives, etc) is already in place and working just fine.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Pixel Peeper:

At the simplest... make Sterile actually work, and make certain magic options (like the pink draught) able to temporarily override it.

That's it. For non-Sterile characters, everything else (changes to feracity, contraceptives, etc) is already in place and working just fine.

Yeah, pretty much.