Do you make a male or female character? And do you identify with that character or not?

[Pixel Peeper]

Ideally I would have made a male character, beaten the crap out of everything and enjoyed the ladies, but the NPC (both friendly and hostile) selection in the game has made that nearly impossible. 2/3 of things have a ♥♥♥♥ and, while that still leaves a decent number of females, I don't like most of them: they're nearly always anthropomorphic animals of some kind, and often more on the animalistic side (fur, snout, that sort of thing). Every time I even attempt this, I find that it's just not viable.

The alternative is to make a female character that I don't identify with but find attractive, and just watch her get stuffed by everything under the sun. In that scenario the percentage of compatible NPCs is much better; they're pretty much just there as grey blob ♥♥♥♥ carriers and the focus is on the girl that I've designed to my preferences. It kind of kills variety but it's at least feasible. Although, in that scenario, I'd prefer the girl to be in a more submissive role, which is not practical because it's a video game where you need to win your fights. There are no mechanics by which you can progess by losing (which in a game like this should be a necessity).

Thoughts? Do you have similar issues, and how do you navigate them?

[Skandranon]

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There's more females in this game than anything else

Hmm... Yes, you are right on that— however, that's because we have a disproportionally large side-content part of the game (y'all know what I'm talking about) that mostly offers interactions only to male characters/futas and has a cast of around 85% female npcs— very annoying ones, at that. Why that specific content got so damn large is beyond me, since it adds nothing to the main story thus far.

Now, if we disconsider futas and furries, I'd say that we are left with actually very few pure male and pure female characters, that is even more so a problem when we're talking male characters— there's thrice more futas than actual male npcs for the champion to interact with, and of the few males in the game, most are furries.

In a way, yes, we have more female npcs than futas, but some of those female npcs that are being counted have no deeper interaction or no available relationship with the champion as of yet, and some like the witch are just... Well, forgetable content wise. Feels like they're there just for the sake of it, and not much effort was put into them. When compared to how lengthy and numerous the futa scenes and interactions are... I guess we can say for certain that way more effort has been put into the futas than it was into most of the female characters. Don't get me wrong though, there's nothing wrong with that. Devs should whatever the heck they want content-wise.

All in all, I just find it kinda ridiculous that people say that "there aren't that many futas" when literally the only tall and physically strong female character that isn't a futa nor a dangerously furry anthropomorphic being is a magically genderbent npc. At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if when we remove the Lieutenant's chastity belt a massive horse-like sausage pops in our face, since the rule seems to be: "Fight's melee and is not a furry? Then it gotta be a futa."

Look, I'm not sure how you're counting.

https://wiki.smutosaur.us/CoC2/Category:Females

There are 85 female characters in this game. The wiki isn't always updated all the way, but its only gonna be off by a few, usually the last couple of updates.

https://wiki.smutosaur.us/CoC2/Category:Hermaphrodites
https://wiki.smutosaur.us/CoC2/Category:Dickgirls

There are 25 chicks with ♥♥♥♥♥ in this game, so your comment about 2/3 of the girls in this game having something extra was waaaaaay off. There's literally over triple the difference.

https://wiki.smutosaur.us/CoC2/Category:Males
As an aside, there's 44 males, with the caveat that a good chunk of the males aren't sexable. SO even if you add futas AND males, females beats them both together by almost 50%, and the gulf gets wider if you only count sexable characters. So there definitely isn't "thrice" more futas as males, either.

Even if you took the kitsunes out, it would barely change the numbers - there's what, 8 of them? Changes nothing at all.

The biggest bit of content of this game (kitsunes) is all pure females. The only characters in the game you can marry right now (centaur and horse girl) are female. Most of the companions are female. almost all of the characters with actual romance content (orc blacksmith, sheep girl, both horse chicks, etc) are female.

Discounting furries is a whole different subject. The main fetish for this game is (theoretically) transformation, corruption, and monstergirls, so of course there's not many pure humans of any kind. If that's not to your taste, then that's just a personal issue,

The fact that you want a tall, strong, not furry pure human female character is a lot of factors altogether, not sure what bearing that has on anything. That's not one thing, its 4 things.


But female characters, female sex scenes and female content in general waaaaaaay outnumber everything else, there's absolutely no question. Any other opinion is just confirmation bias on your part.

This game is mainly catered towards straight males, always has been, always will be, and basically everything you said was factually wrong.

[=d1ma=]

Thanks for clearing things out Skandranon, tho now i feel i got a little spoiler as i just started in the game :D I tho there would be more futas tho but thats cool :)

[Pixel Peeper]

The numbers aren't representative here.

A bunch are just enemy variants, like harpies (I think there are like 4 of those alone) or have incredibly small, token roles (shopkeepers), or they're freaking kitsune. A lot of them you can't have sex with, especially if they're more human-looking (the animal-looking ones are almost always DTF). And I'm guessing gnoll females and hornet females are being listed as female instead of futa even though they do have pseudopenises or ovipositors, which would skew the numbers by 2 for each instance.

It's all very evident when you play a female VS a male.

If I play a female to watch her get stuffed, there's ♥♥♥♥ almost everywhere. It's a surprise when you end an encounter and there's no penetrative sex option available.

If I play a male, there's almost never anything I can or want to have sex with because males aren't my thing, futas aren't my thing, pseudofutas aren't my thing, dickgirls aren't my thing, half-animals aren't my thing because the sexable part is 100% animal, hyperfurries aren't my thing because they're pretty much physically animals, and so many of what few attractive female NPCs remain are actually sexable and so many of those have almost no content.

If you're a regular straight male, around 5% of the content caters to you.

[Lithane]

Which part of the game makes you think it's made for a "regular straight male" audience? Futas abound, gay sex is prevalent, kinky sex monsters roam the land. What do you need a warning that it doesn't cater to you? Oh wait, there is one, right on the main menu... https://i.imgur.com/y9cypS7.png

And I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I guess what are you looking for in this discussion? If you want to see a certain kind of content, you can always ask for it and the writers might make some.

[Pixel Peeper]

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Which part of the game makes you think it's made for a "regular straight male" audience? Futas abound, gay sex is prevalent, kinky sex monsters roam the land. What do you need a warning that it doesn't cater to you? Oh wait, there is one, right on the main menu... https://i.imgur.com/y9cypS7.png

And I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I guess what are you looking for in this discussion? If you want to see a certain kind of content, you can always ask for it and the writers might make some.

I'm well aware that it's not catering to regular straight males, my claim that only 5% of the content is targeted at regular straight males should make that obvious enough. I was responding to an above poster who said "This game is mainly catered towards straight males, always has been, always will be, and basically everything you said was factually wrong" while responding to another poster.

The game is what it is, I'm under no illusion that I can significantly influence what content is in it. Right from the start I'm in a bad situation, trying to access a few bits of content that I like in a game that wasn't aimed at me. I haven't totally discarded the idea that maybe I shouldn't be playing this game and should instead just stick with similar games, like Monster Girl Dreams, which do offer more friendly content.

I simply made the post to find out how other people were navigating this regular-straight-male-unfriendly environment.

Mine has been to make female characters that I find attractive and use the NPCs in the game as random gray blobs to get that one attractive female character to have sex. It's very wasteful and lacking in variety, but at least it's easily functional (everything has a ♥♥♥♥ so everything is compatible with the female character).

What I would really like is to play as a male, but so far it just hasn't been viable. I was hoping someone might have had a clever idea, but maybe there's just no way around it. Maybe the only way to deal with it is to click through the majority of the content and just enjoy the few bits that I like.

[Lithane]

I mean, I read all of the content like 1 time then click spam through fights and scenes to get to newer content anyways. It's the nature of the game. If I remember a certain scene that I found good, then I will take the time to read it through entirely, but usually just skip through repeat content.

This game has multiple writers at any given time though and I'm sure they are open to adding specific content that caters to certain tastes. If you were keen on seeing a certain kind of content, then I'm sure you can recommend ideas for specific scenarios. I would go so far as to say coming up with character ideas and plots is probably found very helpful by the writers and I don't see why they would turn away the advice / ideas if you had them and they fit into the general atmosphere and story of the world. I think they even have an email you can send these ideas to, specifically for that purpose, and their forum is probably a much better place to post that sort of thing than the steam forum, but again, I'm sure they are open to it.

[Pixel Peeper]

There are indeed multiple writers attached to the project, and even users can submit content for review, though submissions have to follow specific rules and even bits of almost-code for content that varies based on factors like the PC's sex or their physical attributes. Not sure if they accept suggestions, though. There may even be legal issues where, if you suggest something, they can't use it anymore.

Anyway, I'm not trying to influence the creators, I'm trying to see how players like me navigate what's there.

[Skandranon]

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The numbers aren't representative here.

A bunch are just enemy variants, like harpies (I think there are like 4 of those alone) or have incredibly small, token roles (shopkeepers), or they're freaking kitsune. A lot of them you can't have sex with, especially if they're more human-looking (the animal-looking ones are almost always DTF). And I'm guessing gnoll females and hornet females are being listed as female instead of futa even though they do have pseudopenises or ovipositors, which would skew the numbers by 2 for each instance.

It's all very evident when you play a female VS a male.

If I play a female to watch her get stuffed, there's ♥♥♥♥ almost everywhere. It's a surprise when you end an encounter and there's no penetrative sex option available.

If I play a male, there's almost never anything I can or want to have sex with because males aren't my thing, futas aren't my thing, pseudofutas aren't my thing, dickgirls aren't my thing, half-animals aren't my thing because the sexable part is 100% animal, hyperfurries aren't my thing because they're pretty much physically animals, and so many of what few attractive female NPCs remain are actually sexable and so many of those have almost no content.

If you're a regular straight male, around 5% of the content caters to you.

Do you know what happens if you take all the enemies, period, and non-sexable characters out?

Named female sexable characters: 42.
Named herm sexable characters: 14.

Still TRIPLE the amount of female as herm.
And mind, you, most of the unsexable females WILL eventually be sexable, ad it'll bend even more in their favor.

There is no scenario in which the gender balance you're claiming makes any sense. Again, what you're saying is factually untrue. This game is and always has been catered to straight males. Your claims are pure confirmation bias.

Nearly half the guys are unbangable, why? Because M/M sex isn't very popular. Straight males aren't into it. And the ones that are have waaaay less content then females and herms.

All the futas, notice, are referred to as "she. All of them are feminine looking. Not one futa is referred to as "he" or is masculine. Why? To appeal to straight males.

Almost every special clothing item is this game is to dress up a female character, because nobody cares about dressing up a dude. Because this game is mostly played by straight males.

This game has always been catered to straight males, it's been a complaint made many times, so for you to claim it doesn't it mindboggling.

The fact that you exclusively like completely human characters is a completely separate issue, stop mixing the two up. And again, in that case this is the wrong game for you, as it aims directly at a monstergirl/transformation fetish. Always has, always will.

[Pixel Peeper]

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Do you know what happens if you take all the enemies, period, and non-sexable characters out?

Named female sexable characters: 42.
Named herm sexable characters: 14.

Still TRIPLE the amount of female as herm.
And mind, you, most of the unsexable females WILL eventually be sexable, ad it'll bend even more in their favor.

There is no scenario in which the gender balance you're claiming makes any sense. Again, what you're saying is factually untrue. This game is and always has been catered to straight males. Your claims are pure confirmation bias.

Nearly half the guys are unbangable, why? Because M/M sex isn't very popular. Straight males aren't into it. And the ones that are have waaaay less content then females and herms.

All the futas, notice, are referred to as "she. All of them are feminine looking. Not one futa is referred to as "he" or is masculine. Why? To appeal to straight males.

Almost every special clothing item is this game is to dress up a female character, because nobody cares about dressing up a dude. Because this game is mostly played by straight males.

This game has always been catered to straight males, it's been a complaint made many times, so for you to claim it doesn't it mindboggling.

The fact that you exclusively like completely human characters is a completely separate issue, stop mixing the two up. And again, in that case this is the wrong game for you, as it aims directly at a monstergirl/transformation fetish. Always has, always will.

Removing all enemies actually changes the numbers in your favor because it'll make a small disparity seem much bigger, it's not an argument at all. Counting herms is nowhere near sufficient, you have to add dickgirls and switch "females" with phallic appendages to herms. Even then I suspect I'd arrive at different numbers if I bothered counting myself.

But regardless, we've been over this, the numbers are not representative. Most of the sexable females have almost no content or are extremely animalistic (either 50% or 95% animal), or have huge muscles or something.

"Again"? You told someone they were factually wrong before but it wasn't me.

No one cares about dressing up guys, period. Guys are ugly and uninteresting, they are just carriers for ♥♥♥♥♥, no one cares about anything else. Females prefer dressing up other females than they do dressing up males. No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about males, and rightly so.

There are many feminine-looking creatures that are referred to as "he". How does that cater to straight males?

You'd have to be beyond insane to believe that this game is aimed at straight males, just way too many things have ♥♥♥♥♥ for that to be the case.

I'm well aware that the fact that I don't like hyperfurries means large parts of the game do not cater to me, I never said the opposite. But don't make the absurd claim that I exclusively like completely human characters when I've been very, very clear that this is not the case. I like monster girls, I played all of Monster Girl Quest and am playing Monster Girl Dreams.

You're being intellectually dishonest. On purpose, which makes it a million times worse.

Stop. Just stop. If you don't know of any way that people like me can better navigate the content then go bother someone else.

[Haze]

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Look, I'm not sure how you're counting.

The way I'm counting? Well, that's simple— instead of being intellectually dishonest and grabbing a list that includes random encounters, one-time dialogue npcs and non interactable npcs, I'm actually weighting their ACTUAL INGAME CONTENT.

But hey, you do you. If you want to pretend that most female npcs aren't like gate-guard elf, that appears literally once in the game and has two scenes to offer and nothing else, when futa half lupine farm girls are reocurring and have dozens of scenes and normal interactions outside of them... well, be my guest.

Seriously now, man... Your list effing includes Berwyns master as a "female npc", same for the THICC Harpy mother... They have LITERALLY no content, AT ALL, as do many others in that list. Stop trying so hard.

[Skandranon]

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Do you know what happens if you take all the enemies, period, and non-sexable characters out?

Named female sexable characters: 42.
Named herm sexable characters: 14.

Still TRIPLE the amount of female as herm.
And mind, you, most of the unsexable females WILL eventually be sexable, ad it'll bend even more in their favor.

There is no scenario in which the gender balance you're claiming makes any sense. Again, what you're saying is factually untrue. This game is and always has been catered to straight males. Your claims are pure confirmation bias.

Nearly half the guys are unbangable, why? Because M/M sex isn't very popular. Straight males aren't into it. And the ones that are have waaaay less content then females and herms.

All the futas, notice, are referred to as "she. All of them are feminine looking. Not one futa is referred to as "he" or is masculine. Why? To appeal to straight males.

Almost every special clothing item is this game is to dress up a female character, because nobody cares about dressing up a dude. Because this game is mostly played by straight males.

This game has always been catered to straight males, it's been a complaint made many times, so for you to claim it doesn't it mindboggling.

The fact that you exclusively like completely human characters is a completely separate issue, stop mixing the two up. And again, in that case this is the wrong game for you, as it aims directly at a monstergirl/transformation fetish. Always has, always will.

Removing all enemies actually changes the numbers in your favor because it'll make a small disparity seem much bigger, it's not an argument at all. Counting herms is nowhere near sufficient, you have to add dickgirls and switch "females" with phallic appendages to herms. Even then I suspect I'd arrive at different numbers if I bothered counting myself.

But regardless, we've been over this, the numbers are not representative. Most of the sexable females have almost no content or are extremely animalistic (either 50% or 95% animal), or have huge muscles or something.

"Again"? You told someone they were factually wrong before but it wasn't me.

No one cares about dressing up guys, period. Guys are ugly and uninteresting, they are just carriers for ♥♥♥♥♥, no one cares about anything else. Females prefer dressing up other females than they do dressing up males. No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about males, and rightly so.

There are many feminine-looking creatures that are referred to as "he". How does that cater to straight males?

You'd have to be beyond insane to believe that this game is aimed at straight males, just way too many things have ♥♥♥♥♥ for that to be the case.

I'm well aware that the fact that I don't like hyperfurries means large parts of the game do not cater to me, I never said the opposite. But don't make the absurd claim that I exclusively like completely human characters when I've been very, very clear that this is not the case. I like monster girls, I played all of Monster Girl Quest and am playing Monster Girl Dreams.

You're being intellectually dishonest. On purpose, which makes it a million times worse.

Stop. Just stop. If you don't know of any way that people like me can better navigate the content then go bother someone else.

Actually, I DID add in dickgirls AND anyone with a phallic appendage to the "herm" side, as per your "rules" (such as Azzyran, which is silly because most of her scenes treat her as 100% female but whatever), so accusing me of being intellectually dishonest without any reason whatsoever is....well, intellectually dishonest.

You continually saying the numbers aren't representative is spreading misinformation for people looking at these topics.

Feel free to count the numbers yourself. This topic isn't even the first time this subject has come up, it's been counted before.



And saying this game isn't aimed at straight males is silly. There's VERY little M/M content, and more but still very little F/F content (as far as I know theres exactly two pure lesbians in the game). And of the male content, even a good chunk of the males on this game are feminized, like Berwyn, either twinks or traps or what have you, making them more palatable towards the games primary audience.


And you saying that there's too many ♥♥♥♥♥ for straight males makes no sense. You realize that almost all content in real life for straight males involves at least one ♥♥♥♥, right? The vast, VAST content in this game involves one partner penetrating the other, one or both of them being feminine. That's for straight males.

If you don't personally like it, that's fine. But painting a false picture of who the game is aimed towards isn't.

I harp on this because there's been a lot of complaints from LGBT players I've seen that this game has way less content for them than straight males.

People who want F/F or M/M are wildly undeserved. People who want M/F or Futa/F have access to most of the game.

[Skandranon]

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Look, I'm not sure how you're counting.

The way I'm counting? Well, that's simple— instead of being intellectually dishonest and grabbing a list that includes random encounters, one-time dialogue npcs and non interactable npcs, I'm actually weighting their ACTUAL INGAME CONTENT.

But hey, you do you. If you want to pretend that most female npcs aren't like gate-guard elf, that appears literally once in the game and has two scenes to offer and nothing else, when futa half lupine farm girls are reocurring and have dozens of scenes and normal interactions outside of them... well, be my guest.

Seriously now, man... Your list effing includes Berwyns master as a "female npc"... She has no content AT ALL, as many others in that list. Stop trying so hard.

And as I said, I didn't count Berwyns Master in my second set of numbers, OR the gate guard. So you're accusing me of things you aren't sure I actually did.

[Pixel Peeper]

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And saying this game isn't aimed at straight males is silly. There's VERY little M/M content, and more but still very little F/F content (as far as I know theres exactly two pure lesbians in the game).

People who want F/F or M/M are wildly undeserved. People who want M/F or Futa/F have access to most of the game.

I'll say it one last time... I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about the numbers if they're not representative.

And, as you are fully aware of already, you're reversing the metric. I don't care how much M/M and F/F content there is, I never said there is too much content for gays and lesbians. I said too many things have a ♥♥♥♥ and that those that don't don't have much content. People who want M/F (i.e. straight males) are going to find that it's a surprisingly small portion of the content. This game does not cater to them very well.

And for the vast majority of straight males, who don't like extremely animalistic creatures, half of what's left is also gone.

IN PRACTICE, the vast majority of straight males will find that most of the content is not something they're interested in. I have higher-than-average monster girl tolerance and even I find that the percentage of content I personally like is very, very low.

[Skandranon]

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And saying this game isn't aimed at straight males is silly. There's VERY little M/M content, and more but still very little F/F content (as far as I know theres exactly two pure lesbians in the game).

People who want F/F or M/M are wildly undeserved. People who want M/F or Futa/F have access to most of the game.

I'll say it one last time... I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about the numbers if they're not representative.

And, as you are fully aware of already, you're reversing the metric. I don't care how much M/M and F/F content there is, I never said there is too much content for gays and lesbians. I said too many things have a ♥♥♥♥ and that those that don't don't have much content. People who want M/F (i.e. straight males) are going to find that it's a surprisingly small portion of the content. This game does not cater to them very well.

And for the vast majority of straight males, who don't like extremely animalistic creatures, half of what's left is also gone.

IN PRACTICE, the vast majority of straight males will find that most of the content is not something they're interested in. I have higher-than-average monster girl tolerance and even I find that the percentage of content I personally like is very, very low.

Straight males has nothing to do with liking or not liking monstergirls. The vast majority of ANY sexual orientation don't like monstergirls, which is why this is a fetish game. So that has nothing to do with being straight or no.

And there's, factually, more M/F in this game than anything else. Making a male and banging only females gets you access to by far more sex scenes than any other gender pairing. Second is being a female and banging males, which is the same pairing of course.

Also, the futa content is ALSO for straight males. I'm not sure why you think straight males are restricted to M/F. Futa/Female content is aimed directly at straight dudes, it's M/F sex but replace the unattractive parts of the dude with an attractive girl.

If it's not for you, that's cool. But it's pretty obvious who it's aimed at.

[ahnkra]

lol and the mines go off all over the place, as expected.

Honestly though peeps the games not finished. Plenty of time for more of whats there, and more of whats not there to be added.

in the end, in a game that tries to cater to so many different interests there's bound to be plenty of "sides" who feel like their interests werent catered to enough. And there will always be some objective measures that can be used to back those feelings, because the whole point of the game was to offer something for everyone.

Id honestly just suggest asking for more of what your interested in, nicely = ) Oh and i suggest not going over to the games forums to do it, because as salty as this thread is its got nothing on how fast the wolves will tear you apart over there.

And finally there's always the option, of just finding more games out there that do cater to what your looking for. For myself thats usually VNs as furries and BL novels are pretty common in that format. For "straight" guys theres a new waifu simulator or gamemaker harem collector dropped on the daily here on steam, though honestly i havnt seen anything that looked like a quality product in a while.

In the end no one game can be everything to everyone. For myself this one works, although if anyone asked me, id Love an alpha male like Garret to be added that wants to be my new dom ; p Note: I didnt ask them to make Garret want my boi (before anyone screams at me for suggesting it)