Suppressors, moderators and silencers! Oh my!

[Alf Tupper]

There are a few older posts on this subject, but I could not find anything from the devs themselves re their thoughts. May I rewarm this topic, with the caveat this this would be a 'nice to have' addition in the fullness of time.

In the UK, the only restriction for suppressors is that they need to be applied for as part of your firearms certificate, and I know they are pretty common for hunting, from .22LR 'silencers' up to suppressors on larger centrefire rifles. So to me, it's a normal thing.

What is the community's take on this?

In the UK, the only restriction for suppressors is that they need to be applied for as part of your firearms certificate, and I know they are pretty common for hunting, from .22LR 'silencers' up to suppressors on larger centrefire rifles. So to me, it's a normal thing. Is this the case where you live/hunt?

Is there an appetite for them, and what benefits and disadvantages would we like to be modelled?

[dbond1]

The community will be split right down the middle, but I find myself firmly in the suppressors camp.

They're mainstream now. In a sim/game it really isn't necessary, since the reasons hunters use suppressors aren't things we need to be concerned with playing a game. Like disturbing local residents or hearing protection.

Some will argue that suppressors are for stealth and taking large bags quickly. Whole herds!But this of course is nonsense and not at all why suppressors are used in real life.

Suppressors also have some advantage in shooting accuracy, as they lower the recoil impulse and tend to shoot tighter groups. This thread will be long and meandering, so I wanted to get this in first.

So yeah, I'd rather have them than not, but in a game their advantages don't really play.

[Alf Tupper]

Good points - mostly here they are to protect the ears, and ears of any dogs too. A .22LR using subsonics would be advantageous in game perhaps, but otherwise as you say, no real in game advantages.

[6Taylor4]

If they would simply either turn down the shot noise audios or let us toggle a virtual "suppressor" just to make it tolerable, I would be happier.
When I turn it up to hear the wind, the decibel level of the discharge noise is BRUTAL.
More than twice its caused people to come running into my room - ARE YOU OK?? DID SOMETHING EXPLODE?

Playing WOTH with the sound off sucks.
Can't use headphones, the noise of the shot makes my ears ring all evening.
I have a sound toggle button on keyboard, so I can/do use that, but it does break the immersion, and it would be SO much better if we had more control over the game controls so we can balance the sound levels to tolerable.
Simulation realism is one thing, user comfort is another.
Hope it change.

[eagle74]

Sure, why not. They are legal for hunting in 41 states including mine.

[HORIZONS]

Common as mud here in NZ.

[Sunshine]

There is no sane or logical reason against suppressors in real life hunting and thus, in video game hunting.

Today, the only people against suppressors are 70+ year old hunters who dismiss new things because "we didn't do this back in my day!" or idiotic politicians that, as usual, have no clue what they're talking about, thinking suppressors somehow mean someone wants to become a hitman.

They protect your hearing, they protect your dog's hearing, they keep hunting pressure low, they help with recoil (female hunters seem to welcome that) and so on.

If they are legal in some countries with questionable gun laws like the UK or not, really is irrelevant. The game obviously has its own rules.

[6Taylor4]

your saying "Today, the only people against suppressors are 70+ year old hunters who dismiss new things because "we didn't do this back in my day!" needs explaining to this 77 year old, sir.

[Sunshine]

Originally posted by 6Taylor4:

your saying "Today, the only people against suppressors are 70+ year old hunters who dismiss new things because "we didn't do this back in my day!" needs explaining to this 77 year old, sir.

It was a typo, I meant 80+

[Alf Tupper]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

There is no sane or logical reason against suppressors in real life hunting and thus, in video game hunting.

The only real argument is really if they bring any benefit in game then. I was wondering how 'legal' they were in the rest of the world, if that made any difference? And I'm only 54 so what do I know about it!! ;-) I'll step aside from contentious statements that our gun laws are questionable by the way, it was purely saying that we have no issue with moderators in my country, I wondered about the rest of the world.

[6Taylor4]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by 6Taylor4:

your saying "Today, the only people against suppressors are 70+ year old hunters who dismiss new things because "we didn't do this back in my day!" needs explaining to this 77 year old, sir.

It was a typo, I meant 80+

You have a three year grace period...use it wisely.

[Sunshine]

Originally posted by Alf Tupper:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

There is no sane or logical reason against suppressors in real life hunting and thus, in video game hunting.

The only real argument is really if they bring any benefit in game then. I was wondering how 'legal' they were in the rest of the world, if that made any difference? And I'm only 54 so what do I know about it!! ;-) I'll step aside from contentious statements that our gun laws are questionable by the way, it was purely saying that we have no issue with moderators in my country, I wondered about the rest of the world.

They should benefit gameplay, of course. Perhaps aid in lowering spook distance for animals around, and perhaps create less hunting pressure as well - but then people might feel too pressured to use them, who knows.

Either way, I'd be all for them.

[Alf Tupper]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by Alf Tupper:

The only real argument is really if they bring any benefit in game then. I was wondering how 'legal' they were in the rest of the world, if that made any difference? And I'm only 54 so what do I know about it!! ;-) I'll step aside from contentious statements that our gun laws are questionable by the way, it was purely saying that we have no issue with moderators in my country, I wondered about the rest of the world.

They should benefit gameplay, of course. Perhaps aid in lowering spook distance for animals around, and perhaps create less hunting pressure as well - but then people might feel too pressured to use them, who knows.

Either way, I'd be all for them.

Hey that's cool, I've just logged back on to apologise for saying your statement was contentious - UK gun laws can seem odd - I just didn't want a flame war over gun rights here, just had a row with the wife, wan't thinking the best etc etc.

[dbond1]

I see suppressors in sort of the same way I see rifle slings. We don't need them in the game, but they add a certain level of authenticity to what is being portrayed. All of my hunting rifles have slings and it's just something that stands out in the game. It has no functional effect, just the sort of touch that raises the level of fidelity of simulation.

[Sunshine]

Originally posted by Alf Tupper:

Hey that's cool, I've just logged back on to apologise for saying your statement was contentious - UK gun laws can seem odd - I just didn't want a flame war over gun rights here, just had a row with the wife, wan't thinking the best etc etc.

Oh worry not, it takes much more to rile me up and you are entitled to your opinion, including that my statement was contentious (or not). Your comment made me learn a new word, so it is a win/win either way. I have strong opinions about gun laws myself and don't mind people sharing theirs. But this ain't the right place, you're right.

Enjoy your weekend on the couch, though.

[Mauserich]

Too much fiddling for a hunting rifle and these attachments look anything but nice.
A really nice-looking, quality rifle with a universal cartridge and the right bullet is much more important to me than a hodgepodge of budget riflels, special cartridges and budget attachments. This is excessive consumerism but not essential and it doesn't help much in hunting terms.