Time progression

[CageyLobster]

If we are going to have missions that require the player do something at specific times of day you really need to provide a way to pass time away from the lodge. Even if it's an option on a lower difficulty.

Otherwise, as a consumer this is a real waste of my time sitting around waiting for time to pass. Please provide another option. These types of quests highlight a non fun part of the game. I don't mind waiting sometimes, but I should have the option to chose how I spend my time in a video game.

[Florian Meyer]

In each lodge you can set the time you want at the bed or at the campfire at each camp and that's it.

[CageyLobster]

I know how it works. I'm saying when a quest has you try and lure stuff to an area at a specific time. I as the player need a way to progress that time at the area I'm in and also in hunting stands and any other areas.

Otherwise they should stop leaning into quests that require certain times to complete. It is also something that has been talked about many times by others. It is something that needs to have more options than the current camps and lodges. These places can be hours of RL walking from some of those areas and if you miss the window you have to do it all over again.

This is all fine if thats how you enjoy playing. I want options in the menu, the truck, a tent...something that I have control over when I don't have 8 RL hours to spend waiting for the time to progress. It's something that can have more options to the player. T

[AzhureDragon]

Hunting is not a hurry up and shoot it activity. It requires patience, skill, and time. Granted game time and RL time are different, but no way I'm waiting 8 RL hours to do something in the game. Hit a camp, sleep, wake a few hours prior to whatever time you need, get to your spot, hunker down, and wait. If the time passes and nothing has happened - oh well, do it again. Just like hunting in RL.

[CageyLobster]

Originally posted by AzhureDragon:

Hunting is not a hurry up and shoot it activity. It requires patience, skill, and time. Granted game time and RL time are different, but no way I'm waiting 8 RL hours to do something in the game. Hit a camp, sleep, wake a few hours prior to whatever time you need, get to your spot, hunker down, and wait. If the time passes and nothing has happened - oh well, do it again. Just like hunting in RL.

1st. This is a video game

2nd. If you don't want to advance time, don't. Don't force me to play your game. This game is more than just you. Stop being selfish. if it can be added and not used in a single player game, why would you care.

3rd. In no way should I have to wait for hours to do a part of the game I need to do. It is main story objectives with a weapon associated with it. In the menu you could have a skip time button. If people like you are so afraid you will abuse it, make it assigned to the jeeps. But their needs to be another option than sitting around doing nothing while time slowly passes.

If it is a feature you don't like, again, don't use it. This is a video game, not real life.

[VictoriaHuntress]

Originally posted by AzhureDragon:

Hunting is not a hurry up and shoot it activity. It requires patience, skill, and time. Granted game time and RL time are different, but no way I'm waiting 8 RL hours to do something in the game. Hit a camp, sleep, wake a few hours prior to whatever time you need, get to your spot, hunker down, and wait. If the time passes and nothing has happened - oh well, do it again. Just like hunting in RL.

A person after my own heart! I like the way you think

[VictoriaHuntress]

If you are talking about that story mission 'Camera Shy' in the Aurora Shores reserve, yeah, I feel your pain, as I'm doing that one myself as we speak. I can see that this one is going to take a lot of patience and perseverance, and maybe a lot of luck, but it will be so rewarding when I finally complete it.

There is a campsite to the west of the area, about 300m or so from the western edge of the mission area, so travelling back and forth to the camp for sleeping is not going to be too onerous.

I won't sit for a lot of hours either. I'll just leave the game running on my PC and come back to it after a while - do a side task, explore other parts of the map, do some hunting on my own - if completing the mission is just serendipity, that's fine for me.

[CageyLobster]

Originally posted by VictoriaHuntress:

Originally posted by AzhureDragon:

Hunting is not a hurry up and shoot it activity. It requires patience, skill, and time. Granted game time and RL time are different, but no way I'm waiting 8 RL hours to do something in the game. Hit a camp, sleep, wake a few hours prior to whatever time you need, get to your spot, hunker down, and wait. If the time passes and nothing has happened - oh well, do it again. Just like hunting in RL.

A person after my own heart! I like the way you think

I haven't even mentioned how I play or how I like to enjoy the game. I just don't think others should tell me I shouldn't be able to enjoy a video game the way I want in a time manner convenient to me because it ruins realism for them in a video game.

The addition of options that allow for others to play a game at different speeds allows for more people to enjoy the product. It could be tied to a difficulty setting. That's fine. But, saying you don't think other should have more options in a single player video game is baffling to me.

But, in truth I don't use the vehicle to go anywhere in this game. I have all movement perks unlocked and only 1 of the jeeps. I have all the places and stuff done on the first map and a lot on the European map. But some days I don't have 8 hours to spend hunting, but I want to also still decompress and make headway in a video game. The fact you guys can't see the benefit of offering the player more inclusive options to play and consume the content. I just want the option to play the game on days when I don't have 4+ hours to sit in front of the PC and still feel like I can accomplish something.

I don't know, but in terms of a long term business model I wouldn't look to you guys to get your product out of the "niche" market.

[VictoriaHuntress]

Well, learning to develop optimal strategies and to make effective use of the tools and features provided by the virtual world is part and parcel of playing the game. A lot of deep thinking on the part of the designers goes into designing a complete game that balances gameplay and real world realism. The fact is that the game provides you with just enough so that you can complete every assigned task, but you have to figure out how to do that for yourself, and work for it. Game design theory says that every assigned task must be doable (bugs and implementation defects aside) in principle, but not all tasks need be of equal difficulty.

That being said, large scale software projects usually have a feature release roadmap that adds progressively more advanced and/or useful features, some of which are requested by the user community. This also gives the devs time to evaluate the software so far and perhaps rework aspects to make them better. This is just a fact of software development.

It used to be that parking spots were only available at the main lodge and cabins - now they are spread all over the map (at least on AS), near campsites, making vehicles more useful (given that they are portable storage lockers). They added crossbows in this update. Maybe the next update will add tents where you can sleep (to reset the time without having to travel to a camp or cabin). But, it's better to do things like that as an in-game tool you have to earn somehow than a difficulty level option or setting. I'd like to see them add usable boats. If they do, great, if not, I'll continue to make do.

[CageyLobster]

Originally posted by VictoriaHuntress:

Well, learning to develop optimal strategies and to make effective use of the tools and features provided by the virtual world is part and parcel of playing the game. A lot of deep thinking on the part of the designers goes into designing a complete game that balances gameplay and real world realism. The fact is that the game provides you with just enough so that you can complete every assigned task, but you have to figure out how to do that for yourself, and work for it. Game design theory says that every assigned task must be doable (bugs and implementation defects aside) in principle, but not all tasks need be of equal difficulty.

That being said, large scale software projects usually have a feature release roadmap that adds progressively more advanced and/or useful features, some of which are requested by the user community. This also gives the devs time to evaluate the software so far and perhaps rework aspects to make them better. This is just a fact of software development.

It used to be that parking spots were only available at the main lodge and cabins - now they are spread all over the map (at least on AS), near campsites, making vehicles more useful (given that they are portable storage lockers). They added crossbows in this update. Maybe the next update will add tents where you can sleep (to reset the time without having to travel to a camp or cabin). But, it's better to do things like that as an in-game tool you have to earn somehow than a difficulty level option or setting. I'd like to see them add usable boats. If they do, great, if not, I'll continue to make do.

My problem is with a quest specific to the new Alaska map. It has you use a caller for caribou within an area at a specific period of time. It is possible to not complete this within the specified time period because of the nature of calls and mechanics and what ever. (Mind you this didn't happen to me. I am here because I see an issue long term with these types of quests and RNG.) Too many people are going to miss the time window. This will require you to go to a camp or a cabin and then come back. The travel times alone can be a lot. Especially if you don't use vehicles like I do. I walk everywhere I go if I can. If the devs lean into making quests both time and location based they need to make a way for the player to fast forward time. They need this feature anyway to make hunting in some of the far hunting stands even bearable.

I say all that because it will frustrate a lot of players moving forward if these are the missions. But I think its beyond silly to think adding a feature for some is in some way changing how you would engage with the game. If you didnt want to fast forward time, why would you? Because you want a motorcycle in the game should I say no, or just not use it?

It's a moot point now. The problem is the quest design along with a bad time management system. I'm not going to argue with people that object to a system they wouldn't even have to use in the first place. later gators

[DC2Dixon]

If its the caribou mission there is a campsite about 300m away from the area. There are 3 often feed zones about 100M away from the area. They start at 17:00 so just set the time to 16:00 (or just before 17:00) and make your way there, there are 3 herds along that section. It took me about 5 mins to complete.

I'm not against more options to change time but there are camps and lodges all over the map. The longest you have to walk between one is about 1.5KM. The new map has loads of parking signs dotted around the map to recall a vehicle. Personally don't think it a needed feature but not against it.

[VictoriaHuntress]

@CageyLobster

Oh, I have no problem with the designers adding, say, portable sleeping tents to the gear, whose sole purpose is to be able to set one up where you are, sleep, and then break camp.
Generally, if I can do it in real life hunting, I think I should be able to do the same thing in the game, within reason.

The 'Camera Shy' mission is the one for calling in the caribou to one specific area between 1300-1900 hrs, and that's the one we are both referring to.

Anyway, it's been fun sparring with you - good luck and good hunting

[VictoriaHuntress]

Originally posted by DC2Dixon:

If its the caribou mission there is a campsite about 300m away from the area. There are 3 often feed zones about 100M away from the area. They start at 17:00 so just set the time to 16:00 (or just before 17:00) and make your way there, there are 3 herds along that section. It took me about 5 mins to complete.

I'm not against more options to change time but there are camps and lodges all over the map. The longest you have to walk between one is about 1.5KM. The new map has loads of parking signs dotted around the map to recall a vehicle. Personally don't think it a needed feature but not against it.

Oh, yes - this was easy. Too easy, once you find the zones, specifically an eating zone, as the time fits into the mission time frame. I just had to find a good place up high to glass and call. I'm off to the races now

[DC2Dixon]

Originally posted by VictoriaHuntress:

Originally posted by DC2Dixon:

If its the caribou mission there is a campsite about 300m away from the area. There are 3 often feed zones about 100M away from the area. They start at 17:00 so just set the time to 16:00 (or just before 17:00) and make your way there, there are 3 herds along that section. It took me about 5 mins to complete.

I'm not against more options to change time but there are camps and lodges all over the map. The longest you have to walk between one is about 1.5KM. The new map has loads of parking signs dotted around the map to recall a vehicle. Personally don't think it a needed feature but not against it.

Oh, yes - this was easy. Too easy, once you find the zones, specifically an eating zone, as the time fits into the mission time frame. I just had to find a good place up high to glass and call. I'm off to the races now

Yeah I didn't find it hard, the first time I went late and I kid you not I got one in the zone at 19:01. I just went back to the camp, reset time and done it in 5 mins. Having 3 herds eat along there made it easy but guess it could be frustrating if someone went there at 13:00. There are far worse missions after that, believe me lol.

[VictoriaHuntress]

@DC2Dixon
Yeah, originally I went in earlier in the day to scout around and explore that area of the map.
Drove up in the UTV to the end of the road (which spooked a herd - must have been around the drink times), found that look out point, and what should I see across the lake to the northeast, but a couple of nice caribou bulls (at about 350m away). As I was doing that side mission to harvest 3 adult caribou bulls (I had one left to go), I figured I'd take the bigger of the two to finish that task - I love this Steyr Monobloc 308 - one shot one kill easy. After picking him up, I started exploring around to locate the zones, got up high to glass for a while. I had a look at the area of the '?" to the west and could make out a campsite, so I jogged on over to unlock it, and from there I knew I could use that as my base camp for setting the time. If one takes the time and effort to learn how to use the game mechanics effectively, you can get random chance to operate in your favor (as Mr. Spock said in one ST:TOS episode)

[DC2Dixon]

Originally posted by VictoriaHuntress:

@DC2Dixon
Yeah, originally I went in earlier in the day to scout around and explore that area of the map.
Drove up in the UTV to the end of the road (which spooked a herd - must have been around the drink times), found that look out point, and what should I see across the lake to the northeast, but a couple of nice caribou bulls (at about 350m away). As I was doing that side mission to harvest 3 adult caribou bulls (I had one left to go), I figured I'd take the bigger of the two to finish that task - I love this Steyr Monobloc 308 - one shot one kill easy. After picking him up, I started exploring around to locate the zones, got up high to glass for a while. I had a look at the area of the '?" to the west and could make out a campsite, so I jogged on over to unlock it, and from there I knew I could use that as my base camp for setting the time. If one takes the time and effort to learn how to use the game mechanics effectively, you can get random chance to operate in your favor (as Mr. Spock said in one ST:TOS episode)

Maybe the OP doesn't know how to get all markers to show (only guessing, sorry Cagey if you do) In every lodge there are maps, walk up to them and press E. It will show all the ? on the map for that area. There are many camps all around the map, you are normally only 10-15 mins walk from anywhere on the map to reset time. Sorry if you do know all that, just thought would point out in case you didn't know.

I don't normally focus on missions but wanted that crossbow. I just noticed the first time I went there late there were many herds around. After I called that one a min late to the zone I just walked around to pickup the zones quickly. I think the only missions that are normally a specific time are the night missions. That is the first one I have had in the day for X location. I tend not to use the vehicles to get about but there available if we need to get somewhere fast. The devs have already said tents wont be added but personally don't think we need them with so many camps and lodges.