30-06 vs .270 wound damage

[kubanskiloewe]

i shot a lot of red deer (Tier6) and now a few elk (Tier6) with these two calibers.
On red deer the .270 is my favourite over the 30-06. On elks i feel both equal but .270 always penetrate a bit more due to smaller diameter.

BUT should´nt the bigger 30-06 make a bigger wound hole and damage to compensate less penetration ??
Both screenshots show nearly equal wound energy from both but again the .270 penetrates more deep and you get more often double lung shots while the 30-06 lost all its energy short before the second lung.

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[Geronimo]

I don't think the bullet cam is reliable enough in such ballistic detail.

I think it's more to show the path to the vitals, where vitals are located in different species, and general penetration features.

Those hyper details like energy, hole size, etc are just icing on the cake.

[kubanskiloewe]

no, the Joule numbers in teh diagram are that what counts. And i shoot today the updated 7mm-08 and its really better now and makes a bigger wound than the smaller .243 bullet.
But the .270 (130gr) does the same joule in the wound as the .308 and 30-06 with 180gr. bullets and bigger diameter.
That´s what´s the .270 makes to the most versatile caliber ingame for now.
I will take a look at the next patch again ;-) !
Dev´s do not tell us what they changed which i find a bit frustrating.

[kevvy2k]

All I know is in RL 30-06 is the the deer and elk rifle ,unless you are me and shoot both with 300 win mag

[Bumblewoot]

I'm not sure what the confusion is? In your two pictures the 30-06 is hitting the lung harder as it should at that range.

Originally posted by kubanskiloewe:

But the .270 (130gr) does the same joule in the wound as the .308 and 30-06 with 180gr. bullets and bigger diameter.
That´s what´s the .270 makes to the most versatile caliber ingame for now.

The .270 does not do the same as the .308. The .270 does around 3500j at the ranges in your screenshots vs the 308 at 3200j.

The 30-06 and the .270 equal out in power at about 200m. Before then the 30-06 hits harder.

But you are right in that the .270 is the most versatile ammo now because after 200m it outperforms all tier 5 rifles, and shoots more flat as well.

[kubanskiloewe]

I shoot not over 200m and still the .270 is better than the 30-06,imo.
The 30-06 hits "harder" with a bit more joule BUT these were eaten up quickly by the bigger bullet! So the 30-06 bullet doe not penetrate as deep as the smaller .270. This is OK if the 30-06 make a bigger wound ; it does´nt ! That´s why the .270 is now better even at close ranges. The game count penetration higher than wound damage, imo.
Wound damage in Joule from .243 to 7mm-08 is different which is ok now but they should take a look at the .308/30-06 (180gr) compared to the .270 (130gr.) .

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[hunterPRO1]

shot a deer with my 270 irl yesterday, literally turned the heart to liquid. its my favorite caliber irl, i like the pump but do wish we had a bolt option.

more damage and less penetration seems correct to me.

my dad shoots an 30-06, i would say 1 out of 3 of his deer drop on the spot with a lungshot, as opposed to 1 out of 5 for me, but my blood trails are often better because my rounds tend to pass through, where as the -06 round often stops when hitting the rib cage on the opposite side.

[kubanskiloewe]

Originally posted by hunterPRO1:

shot a deer with my 270 irl yesterday, literally turned the heart to liquid. its my favorite caliber irl, i like the pump but do wish we had a bolt option.

more damage and less penetration seems correct to me.

my dad shoots an 30-06, i would say 1 out of 3 of his deer drop on the spot with a lungshot, as opposed to 1 out of 5 for me, but my blood trails are often better because my rounds tend to pass through, where as the -06 round often stops when hitting the rib cage on the opposite side.

thx for that; that´s what my comrades told me too. Ingame the 30-06 and .308 should make a bit bigger wound , or the .270 a bit less.

[XIIIDEAD]

Originally posted by kubanskiloewe:

i shot a lot of red deer (Tier6) and now a few elk (Tier6) with these two calibers.
On red deer the .270 is my favourite over the 30-06. On elks i feel both equal but .270 always penetrate a bit more due to smaller diameter.

BUT shouldn't the bigger 30-06 make a bigger wound hole and damage to compensate less penetration ??
Both screenshots show nearly equal wound energy from both but again the .270 penetrates more deep and you get more often double lung shots while the 30-06 lost all its energy short before the second lung.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2879045815
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2879045678

Part of the problem is you're not exactly comparing apples to apples by comparing the .270 on red deer to the 30 06 on moose, moose are significantly bigger and heavier than reds so the penetration, even if using the same gun would be less.

However the .270 and the 06 use the same case which means the lighter .270 bullet is able to go much faster than the heavier 06 using the same powder loads, so <200m the 06 will have more energy and >200m the .270 maintains more velocity because of its higher muzzle velocity and lower drag = flatter trajectory and more energy at farther distances.

Now for the damage/penetration. Damage/wound channel and energy transfer is the main concern for a bullet wound. There are 2 factors that make the wound channel, temporary and permanent cavities.
The temporary cavity is from the energy transfer of the bullet and the permanent cavity is the bullets diameter (.270, .30, .223 ect.) plus some of the temporary cavity. (if you don't quite understand what i mean here i suggest watching some slow mo of ballistics gel being shot by different calibers on youtube).

Penetration isn't what kills the animal it only helps, to a point. More penetration means more potential for a larger wound channel, but a pass through in some cases can be worse than a single lung shot because it could've gone right through the animal transferring less energy and making a smaller wound channel. That last part really has more to do with bullet type/design and in most games you don't get to change that. Now lets say all other variables are the same. Velocity, bullet weight and energy. Then the only difference would be the diameter of the bullet, and the larger .30 would have more drag than the smaller .270 so that means less penetration, but all of the other factors play a part in the actual penetration of an animal.