Shotguns Feel Broken

[Caelib]

Shotguns feel extremely broken compared to their real-life counter parts. The shot spread at 50 meters nowhere near matches a real weapon. I don't know what is broken, but I have fired shotguns thousands of times IRL and they do not perform the same in this game.

Video evidence of brokenness (see below) ... 12 guage at 27 yards, should have killed 3 or 4 birds in this spread, but it killed ONE and far to the left? And this is not an isolation occurrence, this is pretty much how unreliable shotguns perform at all times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc_WF3h2-Ps

[Pinger]

They broke how much wind affects the pattern with 18.0, they did not include that change with the dev 17 builds at all, so when 18 hit it was a surprise.

e.g. at 30m with a 6mph wind now ingame its pushing the pattern by 12-14 inches, which in real life takes a strong wind of 30mph, not a breeze of 6 mph

I bug reported it and reply was working as intended

[Caelib]

I've got to say, I am extremely disappointed in the response to posting this as a defect:
"Hello, Thank you for the report. The shotgun is efficient in close range, however, the accuracy decreases based on distance. The ticket will be closed since this is not an issue and the game works As Designed."

So apparently 25 meters, the default zero for the weapon is too far? I don't think anyone at Nine Rock Studios has ever actually used a shotgun. Not only does the video prove the shotgun is broken, this response from support is surprising because it's just dismissive and doesn't address the problem.

[stryyker]

It's dismissive because they don't consider it a defect, they consider it to be working as intended. Seen it many times before from developers, too bad, that's how we intend it to work. They can't 'fix' something they don't consider broken.

[mmanser2]

Some choke selection would definitely help, either interchangeable or permanent on different guns available in the store.

[Caelib]

Originally posted by stryyker:

It's dismissive because they don't consider it a defect, they consider it to be working as intended. Seen it many times before from developers, too bad, that's how we intend it to work. They can't 'fix' something they don't consider broken.

If you watch the video, it's pretty obvious it's broken if they are calling this a "sim-level" game. This is what a shotgun dispersion pattern looks like at 40 yards:
http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2011/01/502_000000a8a_b3b7_Perazzi_HPX_shotgun_plates.jpg

In WOTH, the dispersion pattern at 25 yards in quadruple that and floats with the wind, which is absurd.

[Boira]

They have considered, for gameplay reasons, that this is how it should be in the game.

This is a game and although it pretends to simulate reality, it cannot be 100% real.

[Florian Meyer]

The way things are now after the update, I don't really feel like hunting with the shotguns anymore. The wind destroys everything and the hits are mostly a matter of luck. Yesterday I found a 5 star wild duck and missed it 3 times. At the first shot, her companion felt a meter from the sky next to her. It's a good thing the ducks are begging to die and keep coming back and with a tailwind I was able to kill them after all.

[Caelib]

Originally posted by m.h.267:

The way things are now after the update, I don't really feel like hunting with the shotguns anymore. The wind destroys everything and the hits are mostly a matter of luck. Yesterday I found a 5 star wild duck and missed it 3 times. At the first shot, her companion felt a meter from the sky next to her. It's a good thing the ducks are begging to die and keep coming back and with a tailwind I was able to kill them after all.

Agree 100% - they are utterly useless, fundamentally broken and un-fun to use. In their current state, It's more effective to hunt birds with a .22 than it is with a shotgun.

[TΩKSYK]

The biggest issue for me is I don't know what ammo the shotguns have, like is it a buckshot, birdshot? Are we shooting birds with buckshots, that will explain why there are no birds around

[Malker]

Originally posted by Caelib:

I've got to say, I am extremely disappointed in the response to posting this as a defect:
"Hello, Thank you for the report. The shotgun is efficient in close range, however, the accuracy decreases based on distance. The ticket will be closed since this is not an issue and the game works As Designed."

So apparently 25 meters, the default zero for the weapon is too far? I don't think anyone at Nine Rock Studios has ever actually used a shotgun. Not only does the video prove the shotgun is broken, this response from support is surprising because it's just dismissive and doesn't address the problem.

where did you open the ticket? Was it the publisher or did you contact the devs? The response from publishers (in general) is dismissive by nature.

[Malker]

Originally posted by m.h.267:

The way things are now after the update, I don't really feel like hunting with the shotguns anymore. The wind destroys everything and the hits are mostly a matter of luck. Yesterday I found a 5 star wild duck and missed it 3 times. At the first shot, her companion felt a meter from the sky next to her. It's a good thing the ducks are begging to die and keep coming back and with a tailwind I was able to kill them after all.

yeah hunting birds in this game is a pain unfortunately. Aswell is the Bird AI.

[kubanskiloewe]

:-( ... not good !!

[kubanskiloewe]

Originally posted by Artaxeus:

The biggest issue for me is I don't know what ammo the shotguns have, like is it a buckshot, birdshot? Are we shooting birds with buckshots, that will explain why there are no birds around :tgrin:

in short: 12 gauge for waterfoul or geese and 20gauge for birds, pheasants

"With shotshells, the smaller the number, the bigger the diameter (or gauge) of the shotgun’s bore. This all has to do with weight. In a 12 gauge shell, it will take 12 spherical balls (or shot or pellets or projectiles) of equal size and weight, to equal one pound of shot. In a 20 gauge, it will take 20 balls of equal size and weight to equal one pound of shot.
Because the individual pieces contained within a shotshell are bigger in a 12 gauge than in a 20 gauge, 12 is bigger than 20."

https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/12-gauge-vs-20-gauge-hunting-home-defense-and-more/

[TΩKSYK]

Originally posted by kubanskiloewe:

"With shotshells, the smaller the number, the bigger the diameter (or gauge) of the shotgun’s bore. This all has to do with weight. In a 12 gauge shell, it will take 12 spherical balls (or shot or pellets or projectiles) of equal size and weight, to equal one pound of shot. In a 20 gauge, it will take 20 balls of equal size and weight to equal one pound of shot.
Because the individual pieces contained within a shotshell are bigger in a 12 gauge than in a 20 gauge, 12 is bigger than 20."

https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/12-gauge-vs-20-gauge-hunting-home-defense-and-more/

I've been referring to the type of shells, not gauge, for example, you can have birdshot, buckshot, slugs all being 12 gauge.

Currently in the game (as far as I know), there's no info on what type of shells we have, just gauge info.

Though testing the double barreled 12 gauge shotgun appears to be shooting buckshots, at least visually, and hunting birds with buckshots is a bad idea

[kubanskiloewe]

all are birdshots....ecyclopedia ingame !
I noticed they mixed up the sounds from 20 gauge and 12 gauge :-(
My 12 gauge sounds more loud and deep while the 20gauge "Morgenruhe" a bit lame.
Now i bought the new Remington pumpgun in 20gauge and it comes with the sound of my 12gauge.
So both 20gauge sounds different :-(