STAR WARS™: The Old Republic™

STAR WARS™: The Old Republic™

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Is the new content woke?
I stopped playing after the Revan expansion came out and have recently returned to the game after replaying KOTOR. I'm almost finished Act 1 with a new character and I'm disgusted at how easy they've made this game. The gameplay is completely brain dead. It may as well be an interactive movie at this point.

I am enjoying the story though and I was wondering how the later expansions writing is, to see if I want to keep playing. I already saw warning signs it was going downhill when I stopped. They added those gay romance npcs into the story after having none of that in the base game.

Is there lots of feminism/lgbt crap in the new stuff? DA Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda were disgusting so it wouldn't be surprising if Bioware ruined SWTOR too.
Отредактировано Elihu Yale; 20 мая. 2024 г. в 13:11
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Автор сообщения: Comrade Larry
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Автор сообщения: Dr. Atrocious
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Uhhh? Russia?

Автор сообщения: Berserkr
it's funny all the replies so far and you're the only one so far to get uptight about the Original poster and the thread

I wouldn't say "uptight" but yeah i am a little annoyed, is it that weird that i don't like some rude fool being sexist for no reason? i honestly don't get why this thread is even allowed to exist? when these sort of remarks are frowned upon in most of the world (probably even the most in the country of Valve's origin)?

Автор сообщения: dopugsnotdrugs
we aren't scared of opposing opinions nor getting challenged on our ideas.. but you are, and you reek of it lol..

to op, i love how everyone is on board with you. not a single person here is fooled by woke, and we all hate it..

Its not even remotely surprising that somebody with such tunnel vision cant comprehend that not everyone shares in their opinion, so let me just remind you that other opinions exist.

I hope you and the OP come across many gay men kissing and wont be able to look away because it secretly turns you on and that's why you behave like this. Oh and all games should have lots of LGBTQetc stuff so you both can never play games again & i don't have to read this kind of garbage (and even crappier reasoning) again 🤷‍♂️

I get that you guys must struggle with basic understanding of the world around you, but there is a very big difference between something "woke" and some cutscenes having interchangeable characters... however you try spin your reasoning the bottom line is that you are both sexists & that's pretty damn pathetic in this day and age, you should be ashamed.

Grow up, you're crying as if the game forces you to have sex with the same gender or something, meanwhile there are maybe 5 voice lines in 100's of hours of campaign that can steer you towards a cutscene with a kiss between your character and some npc, thats it....
Отредактировано suicidal.banana; 1 июн. 2024 г. в 5:39
Автор сообщения: suicidal.banana
I wouldn't say "uptight" but yeah i am a little annoyed, is it that weird that i don't like some rude fool being sexist for no reason? i honestly don't get why this thread is even allowed to exist? when these sort of remarks are frowned upon in most of the world (probably even the most in the country of Valve's origin)?
We need freedom of speech and freedom of expression whether we like it or not, I'm kind of surprised the thread has stayed this civil tbh
Автор сообщения: suicidal.banana
Автор сообщения: Comrade Larry
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Автор сообщения: Dr. Atrocious
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Uhhh? Russia?

Автор сообщения: Berserkr
it's funny all the replies so far and you're the only one so far to get uptight about the Original poster and the thread

I wouldn't say "uptight" but yeah i am a little annoyed, is it that weird that i don't like some rude fool being sexist for no reason? i honestly don't get why this thread is even allowed to exist? when these sort of remarks are frowned upon in most of the world (probably even the most in the country of Valve's origin)?

Автор сообщения: dopugsnotdrugs
we aren't scared of opposing opinions nor getting challenged on our ideas.. but you are, and you reek of it lol..

to op, i love how everyone is on board with you. not a single person here is fooled by woke, and we all hate it..

Its not even remotely surprising that somebody with such tunnel vision cant comprehend that not everyone shares in their opinion, so let me just remind you that other opinions exist.

I hope you and the OP come across many gay men kissing and wont be able to look away because it secretly turns you on and that's why you behave like this. Oh and all games should have lots of LGBTQetc stuff so you both can never play games again & i don't have to read this kind of garbage (and even crappier reasoning) again 🤷‍♂️

I get that you guys must struggle with basic understanding of the world around you, but there is a very big difference between something "woke" and some cutscenes having interchangeable characters... however you try spin your reasoning the bottom line is that you are both sexists & that's pretty damn pathetic in this day and age, you should be ashamed.

Grow up, you're crying as if the game forces you to have sex with the same gender or something, meanwhile there are maybe 5 voice lines in 100's of hours of campaign that can steer you towards a cutscene with a kiss between your character and some npc, thats it....
Stop trying to turn the thread into a screaming match because you can't handle opposing ideologies.
Автор сообщения: Elihu Yale
I relate so much to this. It was my first MMO too. I would pretend I was sick to avoid work and seeing my gf just so I could play this all day. I've never been that immersed in a game since.

Nowadays you can't neglect your work and your own girlfriend to play a videogame... because of woke :steamsad:
Why not compile a specific list of what could be considered "woke"? Personally, I don't believe there's enough to consider the whole game woke, but perhaps a concise list would provide a clearer, more full picture. Just providing character or object names, where they appear in the game, and reasoning for believing said characters or things are woke would be far more understandable.

As it is, this thread just seems like a confirmation bias support group with no clear rationale behind it. To begin with this thread is continuing despite the OP themselves having a community ban, so maybe it would be best to just stop. :lunar2020thinkingtiger:
This game is not woke. Haven't played since they raised cap to 80 though.
Автор сообщения: Franzosisch
Stop trying to turn the thread into a screaming match because you can't handle opposing ideologies.
So... Well structured reply to many a garbage talking point and that's what you respond with. You must think you're such a clever example of a human being... Or maybe you can't handle the fact that someone can see through the culture war cult for what it is. A clown show.

Oh you forgot your red nose and oversized shoes before you posted, rookie mistake.
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Автор сообщения: Silenzeio
Fantastic, one of these threads...
Folks just dont want to use their money to support devs who openly hate them. It is what it is
wait what? devs being inclusive is hating on those people that can't accept other opinions existing?
Автор сообщения: Elihu Yale
Автор сообщения: LowFatMilk
I remember playing this game when it came out in 2011, it was amazing. The maps were full of life, the encounters hard and the progression was solid, you really had to fight to gear up and it was incredible fun. It probably took me about 60/70 hours to get to my first lvl 50 max character (this was my first MMO besides Runescape)
I stopped playing after 1 year in 2012 after not touching a single game that whole year.
I returned in 2018 to get some more in me and.......
Account blocked, password blocked, new account -> can't chat in public without subscription, got to level 30 in about 5 hours. The game was just a mindless grind and had no difficulty or risk to it any more, it was like they made the game simple so that Fortnite kids with their 15 seconds attention span can get a dopamine hit every minute and not quit.
Game died for me and despite wanting to come back to the story, I never will
I relate so much to this. It was my first MMO too. I would pretend I was sick to avoid work and seeing my gf just so I could play this all day. I've never been that immersed in a game since. I still have a video from when the Australians servers shut down and we all had a farewell party since everyone was splitting up to different American servers. I only stopped playing because it was interfering with my life.

The difficulty of the encounters gave everywhere a sense of danger and immersed you in the adventure. Every level and new piece of gear took effort to earn and you felt a huge power boost. That ACTUALLY gave a dopamine hit. I'm on level 70 and only on Alderaan right now. Although there was double xp on which you can't disable, it's still a joke. I'll have to play the last half and the expansions with no progression.

I don't think you can do pvp in the normal game world now unless you swap instances but those instances are all empty. I have fond memories of having huge pvp battles on Ilum but that would be too scary for modern players.

They make it too easy to attract casuals but I doubt they'll want to keep playing with how boring it is. They're getting robbed of the experience we had and I think Bioware shot themselves in the foot. The people who designed the game did things for a reason.

I might make this a separate post.
hm... so this sounds actually fairly reasonable unlike your opening post, which sounded just like a hater, (unlike you idc about inclusiveness (you used that other word that turns more into a slur than what it should be) i think it's a must, that being said i'm not a fan of sexual content in games it's pretty much always gringe af, if it's there it's there tho
games that exist for a long time with multiple expansions get their leveling process squashed, why you are way overlevel'd
wow did the same, also the ENDGAME content is the game
tho in swtor the story while leveling is the game because everything else is torn appart, split comunity because sub no sub, sub getting to raid pvp no sub just don't, and plenty of people just sitting on previous expansions, not getting the new epansions for various reasons
pve player casuals kill these games, by crying it's to hard i'm not getting everything thrown at me ez mode (i partially aggree with that because pve doesn't matter, it's only there to forward a story, timegating and ♥♥♥♥ like that sucks and is unnecessaryly annoying), then they stop playing never come back and the devs make changes which make it easier "TO LATE" (i like that, if the changes are to remove rng and timegating, not necessary making the gameplay easier)
if you want a chalenge in a game you gotta play pvp (also only works well if it's balanced)
Отредактировано Fastspectre; 1 июн. 2024 г. в 18:31
Автор сообщения: sldkfjsldajfdslafkj
This game is not woke. Haven't played since they raised cap to 80 though.

Legacy of the Sith isn't woke, but simplified, it has mostly been just Mando civil war between two groups one led by Shae Vizla, who slowly goes insane, and other led by Heta Kol, who's already more or less insane with Sith Macguffin artifact thrown in.
Автор сообщения: Elihu Yale
I stopped playing after the Revan expansion came out and have recently returned to the game after replaying KOTOR. I'm almost finished Act 1 with a new character and I'm disgusted at how easy they've made this game. The gameplay is completely brain dead. It may as well be an interactive movie at this point.

I am enjoying the story though and I was wondering how the later expansions writing is, to see if I want to keep playing. I already saw warning signs it was going downhill when I stopped. They added those gay romance npcs into the story after having none of that in the base game.

Is there lots of feminism/lgbt crap in the new stuff? DA Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda were disgusting so it wouldn't be surprising if Bioware ruined SWTOR too.

Best part of this game is warzones and the stories are good too.

Am playing GW2 and that games living story of whatever they called are so bad. Their realm vs realm pvp is trash too
The problem with clamoring for inclusivity in a franchise like Star Wars is it comes at a cost to diversity.
C3PO, Chewbakka, Darth Vader, R2D2, Jawas, most of the characters on display in Mos Eisley, none of these are inclusive characters.
I'm not a droid, I can't look to a droid and feel included from that.
I'm not a wookie, I can't look to a wookie and feel included from that.

For fantasy franchises, inclusion should instead come from a decision of the viewer to step into the fantasy world and enjoy it. When this process is inverted by clamoring for self-clones what could have been in that place is lost.
Fourty years ago Star Trek and Star Wars were deeply different in characters and writing.
Now? Not so much, swap the art styles and they could almost be the same thing.
With franchise heads putting a high prioritization on inclusivity each fantasy franchise became less unique.
Entertainment becomes less diverse.

When people are "tired" of woke, they are tired of a dictatorial uniformity.
eh.. to be fair. Its not super woke. i mean yeah ther is a difinitive *Female main NPC* lean but... to be fair most of the female NPCS that ythey put in their role are well established and .. MOSTLY well written. Its star wars. Its fantasy. I dont give a rats ass whats between the legs of the NPCS So long as they are well ritten. the issue with *Woke* characters is.. 7/10 times they are Badly written characters and the creators of them expect people to love them simply becuase they are a minority/female/gay/ insert random *mistreated/misrepresented* group. Make these characters complelling nad well written and people will not care the gender/sexuality of the character in question
Автор сообщения: Elihu Yale
I stopped playing after the Revan expansion came out and have recently returned to the game after replaying KOTOR. I'm almost finished Act 1 with a new character and I'm disgusted at how easy they've made this game. The gameplay is completely brain dead. It may as well be an interactive movie at this point.

I am enjoying the story though and I was wondering how the later expansions writing is, to see if I want to keep playing. I already saw warning signs it was going downhill when I stopped. They added those gay romance npcs into the story after having none of that in the base game.

Is there lots of feminism/lgbt crap in the new stuff? DA Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda were disgusting so it wouldn't be surprising if Bioware ruined SWTOR too.

Lots of feminism. Virtually every key character in the KotFE expansion and later on are all female driven. New Emperor is a chick, only dark council member to survive. Newest expansion is centered around a woman (Padawan) who can somehow best the Emperor's Wrath (makes no sense unless you're pro-female empowerment), minorities like Koth take center stage and get away with the most insane ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ feats while your MC just stands around like a tool.

Main villain isn't Valkorion but rather his prodigy daughter who's stronger than both her brothers and her father and mother. Patriarch is made into the absolute worst "bad dad" type villain who just tyrannizes his family...it's boring. All of the movers and shakers of the post Knights story line are all boss ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. There's no character depth at all to any of them either.

As someone else said as well, characters were made to be able to be romanced no matter what sex you are.

Honestly, the worst part is the strip all the agency from your character to have him play errand boy for all the women. Men basically take a back seat while women run around doing feminist empowerment crap.

Malgus is all but made a ♥♥♥♥♥ by the new council. He gets off leash for like 5 seconds only to be locked up and then released by Shae Vizla who some crazyhow got to be Mandalore with no real explanation as to why. Main bad guy in new content? Female. Boss ♥♥♥♥♥ with the haircut to match.

Original story content is where it's at. New stuff isn't even that good for lore and the releases are soooooo sloooooooow. I just ran through the new content in less than 2 hours.

A big joke for the content once you finish your character story, are the planetary quests leading up to Malgus for one of the raids. His goal is to diversify the Empire and gives this huge speech about how the Empire being only human is being short sighted and when you go to the raid he gives all of these speeches about the various races and their benefits they bring to the Empire, he even gives speeches about the Emperor being absent and that they need one who is present and not just some disembodied spirit...so he goes through ALL of that crap, you beat him, leave him for dead, and then what happens? The Empire diversifies anyways, appoints an "Empress" to lead them and basically does the exact same ♥♥♥♥ that Malgus was doing and he gets labeled a "traitor." It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb.

Everything post character 1-50 story line is woke as hell. Feminism, DEI, slavery getting talked down a bunch even in the Empire, it's really sad.
Автор сообщения: suicidal.banana
Considering the 1 country actively teaching people that LGBTQ is bad (while the rest of the world is like "as long as your happy we don't care what you do in your bedroom") ima go out on a limb here and say that IF you are from that country, your time is better spent enlisting for the wet dreams of your leader, go live out your destiny comrade, instead of whining here about some video game 🤷‍♂️
Автор сообщения: suicidal.banana
Uhhh? Russia?

i really dislike people that simply repeat propaganda without even trying to look things up for themself. and the less said about the second part of your initial post the better.
theres is no "teaching that lgb is bad", there are laws that prohibit said ideology to target minors. unlike here in the west.

and as a german, i support this. nobody cares if one is gay, lesbian, whatever. all people. but dont come to my child and tell him that its good or beneficial. thats for noone outside our family to decide. i do want my children to have a family with their own kids at some point.


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that beeing said, the origin stories are superior to the new stuff. for me personally, its not even about any "woke" stuff. or about the fact that every new major char suffers from "anime main protagonist" syndrome (you know, the overstylized types in a sea of bland). its more that the writing and delivery of it is simply mid. just mid. as mid as it gets. mid.
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