Is the new content woke?

[Elihu Yale]

I stopped playing after the Revan expansion came out and have recently returned to the game after replaying KOTOR. I'm almost finished Act 1 with a new character and I'm disgusted at how easy they've made this game. The gameplay is completely brain dead. It may as well be an interactive movie at this point.

I am enjoying the story though and I was wondering how the later expansions writing is, to see if I want to keep playing. I already saw warning signs it was going downhill when I stopped. They added those gay romance npcs into the story after having none of that in the base game.

Is there lots of feminism/lgbt crap in the new stuff? DA Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda were disgusting so it wouldn't be surprising if Bioware ruined SWTOR too.

[Dr. Atrocious]

Seems more like they went the Bethesda approach of making all characters bisexual so players can romance whoever they want rather than actually focusing on anything that could be considered "woke".

[Elihu Yale]

Originally posted by Dr. Atrocious:

Seems more like they went the Bethesda approach of making all characters bisexual so players can romance whoever they want rather than actually focusing on anything that could be considered "woke".

I guess that's tolerable. Would be nice if they just let you toggle that stuff off but they have to rub your face in it. I still remember your creepy pilot in Mass Effect 3 crying about his 'husband' and getting angry at you for not being gay.

Is the story itself still normal? I was worried it would be all tough females now like that annoying bald chick on the title screen. I have no idea who any of the characters are on that screen but they look cringe.

[Veg]

You are going to find a lot of over representation of minority groups as of KOTFE and onward. But so far it hasnt adopted the hatred of white people or the waffling on about the evils of capitalism like a lot of super woke games go for.

[Thander]

In Legacy of the Sith the characters with the most power, importance, and leadership roles are female except Darth Malgus and the player character. There are still male characters but they are mostly followers or side characters. Even Darth Malgus has been captured and in prison the whole story.

As far as I know, all of SWTOR's writers are women these days, so they are writing stories that feature women. I don't think there is any bad intent though. Most times when women are writing a story, the main characters will be women. Just like how most times when men write a story, the main characters will be men. It's just how people are.

[Elihu Yale]

Originally posted by Thander:

In Legacy of the Sith the characters with the most power, importance, and leadership roles are female except Darth Malgus and the player character. There are still male characters but they are mostly followers or side characters. Even Darth Malgus has been captured and in prison the whole story.

As far as I know, all of SWTOR's writers are women these days, so they are writing stories that feature women. I don't think there is any bad intent though. Most times when women are writing a story, the main characters will be women. Just like how most times when men write a story, the main characters will be men. It's just how people are.

I think I'm done then which makes me sad. I used to love this game and think Malgus was cool while Satele Shan was lame haha. We can't have anything nice.

They probably should have got male writers as Star Wars is for boys. All those new female produced shows are apparently garbage and nobody watches them.

[Veg]

Originally posted by Elihu Yale:

Originally posted by Thander:

In Legacy of the Sith the characters with the most power, importance, and leadership roles are female except Darth Malgus and the player character. There are still male characters but they are mostly followers or side characters. Even Darth Malgus has been captured and in prison the whole story.

As far as I know, all of SWTOR's writers are women these days, so they are writing stories that feature women. I don't think there is any bad intent though. Most times when women are writing a story, the main characters will be women. Just like how most times when men write a story, the main characters will be men. It's just how people are.

I think I'm done then which makes me sad. I used to love this game and think Malgus was cool while Satele Shan was lame haha. We can't have anything nice.

They probably should have got male writers as Star Wars is for boys. All those new female produced shows are apparently garbage and nobody watches them.

I instantly hated Satele Shan when she opened up with the "living force" retcons

[Comrade Larry]

It's not woke.

And when it comes to Malgus, I'm 100% sure that he will escape from his prison. He's just waiting the right moment to do so.

[Sunny]

Originally posted by Comrade Larry:

And when it comes to Malgus, I'm 100% sure that he will escape from his prison. He's just waiting the right moment to do so.

He better.

[Raynn von Valancius]

I don't consider it woke. Most of the story stuff is pretty crap after Shadows of Revan, though. KOTFE onward has the habit of putting the PC simply 'along for the ride' which is a sharp difference from the original game.

KOTFE is the 'Lana and Theron show' all the way through. Your character is background ambiance. Content after that usually focuses on a few new characters in each chapter, none of them very memorable in their own right, most of them female. But it's better than what Disney has been doing. This still at least feels somewhat like classic Star Wars, not the wish.com version, "Space Wars", that Disney keeps crapping out.

But I would classify the game in general as 'something to pass the time' not something that's incredibly enjoyable. The hard truth is that every other big MMORPG (ESO, FFXIV, GW2, WoW) has much better support and continued content than SWTOR. But if you're like me and something from each of those makes them unappealing then this isn't too horrible.

[Comrade Larry]

Originally posted by DT_RicoRaynn:

I don't consider it woke. Most of the story stuff is pretty crap after Shadows of Revan, though. KOTFE onward has the habit of putting the PC simply 'along for the ride' which is a sharp difference from the original game.

Both KOFTE and KOTET were very slow paced (too many mandatory boss fights and you're not allowed to use speeder or stealth in most chapters), too long (one chapter typically lasts +1 hour and there's 24 chapters + bonus chapter) and in most cases boring story.

For the Fractured Alliances, Iokath was meh, the first two story flashpoints are ok-to-good, last story flashpoint I have bit mixed feelings (mainly due to my game got bugged, so I didn't got Theron as second companion to make boss fights easier at first)

Jedi Under Siege and Onslaught were in my opinion good (like 7.75/10 good).

Legacy of the Sith is on the other hand is very misleading title, as it's mostly Mando civil war, with Sith macguffin artifact every once in a while mentioned/shown.

[Silenzeio]

Fantastic, one of these threads...

[Raansu]

You know you can just ignore the romance stuff right? As far as the story goes, it goes down hill starting with KOTFE. Nothing tops the original 1-50 stuff.

[LowFatMilk]

I remember playing this game when it came out in 2011, it was amazing. The maps were full of life, the encounters hard and the progression was solid, you really had to fight to gear up and it was incredible fun. It probably took me about 60/70 hours to get to my first lvl 50 max character (this was my first MMO besides Runescape)
I stopped playing after 1 year in 2012 after not touching a single game that whole year.
I returned in 2018 to get some more in me and.......
Account blocked, password blocked, new account -> can't chat in public without subscription, got to level 30 in about 5 hours. The game was just a mindless grind and had no difficulty or risk to it any more, it was like they made the game simple so that Fortnite kids with their 15 seconds attention span can get a dopamine hit every minute and not quit.
Game died for me and despite wanting to come back to the story, I never will

[Elihu Yale]

Originally posted by LowFatMilk:

I remember playing this game when it came out in 2011, it was amazing. The maps were full of life, the encounters hard and the progression was solid, you really had to fight to gear up and it was incredible fun. It probably took me about 60/70 hours to get to my first lvl 50 max character (this was my first MMO besides Runescape)
I stopped playing after 1 year in 2012 after not touching a single game that whole year.
I returned in 2018 to get some more in me and.......
Account blocked, password blocked, new account -> can't chat in public without subscription, got to level 30 in about 5 hours. The game was just a mindless grind and had no difficulty or risk to it any more, it was like they made the game simple so that Fortnite kids with their 15 seconds attention span can get a dopamine hit every minute and not quit.
Game died for me and despite wanting to come back to the story, I never will

I relate so much to this. It was my first MMO too. I would pretend I was sick to avoid work and seeing my gf just so I could play this all day. I've never been that immersed in a game since. I still have a video from when the Australians servers shut down and we all had a farewell party since everyone was splitting up to different American servers. I only stopped playing because it was interfering with my life.

The difficulty of the encounters gave everywhere a sense of danger and immersed you in the adventure. Every level and new piece of gear took effort to earn and you felt a huge power boost. That ACTUALLY gave a dopamine hit. I'm on level 70 and only on Alderaan right now. Although there was double xp on which you can't disable, it's still a joke. I'll have to play the last half and the expansions with no progression.

I don't think you can do pvp in the normal game world now unless you swap instances but those instances are all empty. I have fond memories of having huge pvp battles on Ilum but that would be too scary for modern players.

They make it too easy to attract casuals but I doubt they'll want to keep playing with how boring it is. They're getting robbed of the experience we had and I think Bioware shot themselves in the foot. The people who designed the game did things for a reason.

I might make this a separate post.

[Veg]

Originally posted by Silenzeio:

Fantastic, one of these threads...

Folks just dont want to use their money to support devs who openly hate them. It is what it is