Don't expect any new expansions for SWTOR in the future

[Onkel mephisto]

Long years SWTOR player here (not on steam);

SWTOR has entered Maintenance mode with Onslaught, means there will be little to no big updates in the future. The show seems to be over. We'll get 1 new story mainquest each year and that's about it.

It becomes apparent in the way that Bioware presents mini-features as big updates that they've worked on for months.

Then they added this "login reward system", which is another alarming indicator that Bioware just wants to push some numbers (daily indiviual account logins) and are desperate to keep bored and disappointed players in the game.

If you ask Bioware employees/support about it, they dodge the question. Ontop of not providing a developer-roadmap anymore.

Propably EA did not make enough money with KOTFE/KOTET despite investing big cash into the developement. So now they are deeming SWTOR to be more or less unprofitable, (especially when they have FIFA as their #1 cash cow) and avoid financing any larger expansion.

[尸闩尺闩句工丂㠪]

Do you not understand what a Pandemic is?

BTW:
You are looking way to much into it. Seriously.

[b92303008]

Автор сообщения: Rager

I mean as long as this combat stays like it is. No matter how much story they add. if it is not fun to go through it. It might as well be "dead"

Agreed. The combat is really outdated.

[Sunny]

I feel like the facts that some of the new-new voice actors are Big Names in the industry, and that the studio just moved a whole content team from another game to this one...signals the exact opposite of "the game is dead". But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good narrative, yeah?

[Onkel mephisto]

Never said anything about dead game.
That is what you falsely read.

The topic is about SWTOR not getting any new big KOTFE/KOTET-style updates.

And no, hiring a few new VAs doesn't mean tons of new content, just that they will eventually have to replace some of the previous VAs due to health reasons or other unavailabilities.

1 Story chapter a year that you play through in 15 minutes is not what I call a big update.

SWTOR will still be around for some years, Maintenance Mode doesn't mean dead game, it means no large money investments into the developement of the game.

MMORPG-Developement is a very expensive matter, and right now there is no commitment to spend a few hundred million US Dollars for a new big SWTOR update, neither from EA, nor from Disney/LucasArts.

Meanwhile, Blizzard recently pushed out a new big WoW update with Shadowlands, and altho it is very dissapointing and could be seen as another flop of a company fallen from grace, they made big profits and they have shown that they actually keep investing into the games developement.

[Sunny]

Автор сообщения: mephisto

And no, hiring a few new VAs doesn't mean tons of new content, just that they will eventually have to replace some of the previous VAs due to health reasons or other unavailabilities.

...and the content team? They pulled in a whole team to make new content! From a different game, to this one!

Also, adding new dungeons / operations every few months? That doesn't count?? Didn't we just get a dungeon in December, and now we're getting another one in an upcoming patch? (edited to add: it's on the PTR right now!)

They changed their model for delivering content; they are going with the Onslaught style, rather than the KOTFE style, because Onslaught lets people play together way better. The story in the chapter books was FANTASTIC, but it was mostly single-player.

No, it's not WoW and Shadowlands, but...it never has been. Let Star Wars: the Old Republic do Star Wars: the Old Republic. If I wanted to play Shadowlands, I'd...go play Shadowlands.

ETA: Like I seriously do not understand how "moved a team over" does not count as investing in the game. It's very clear that they're taking some focus from single player story and putting it on encouraging group / cooperative play, but this is an MMO, and that is absolutely not the end of the world.

[Cuponoodle]

I really hope that new content arrives for this game but at the same time seeing people excited because they pulled a team who may have helped make a game DOA is odd.

More content would be nice..just would rather it be quality.

[Arauto Kagnos]

Автор сообщения: mephisto

SWTOR will still be around for some years, Maintenance Mode doesn't mean dead game, it means no large money investments into the developement of the game.

MMORPG-Developement is a very expensive matter, and right now there is no commitment to spend a few hundred million US Dollars for a new big SWTOR update, neither from EA, nor from Disney/LucasArts.

Meanwhile, Blizzard recently pushed out a new big WoW update with Shadowlands, and altho it is very dissapointing and could be seen as another flop of a company fallen from grace, they made big profits and they have shown that they actually keep investing into the games developement.

No, maintenance mode means the game doesn't get any new content at all. The servers are kept up, events that already exist may be started and at best you get some bug fixes here and there. But no new content, no new areas, no new dungeons, nothing new will ever be added. SWTOR isn't in maintenance mode, because it hasn't reached that status, ever.

Comparing WoW to SWTOR will always have SWTOR losing, we never competed with the amount of content they released.

[Zero McDol]

The game has plenty of content, so I honestly have no complaints.

[Sunny]

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

I really hope that new content arrives for this game but at the same time seeing people excited because they pulled a team who may have helped make a game DOA is odd.

More content would be nice..just would rather it be quality.

That the team was involved in Anthem has nothing to do with why I brought it up. Good or bad, it's a significant financial investment on the part of the studio. So is hiring the particular voice actors that they got. Studios do not make significant financial investments for maintenance mode -- they keep the servers up, so people can log in.

Beyond that, how often is everyone in your workplace a failure due to weird management decisions? Usually that can be attributed to the managers themselves, not your co-workers for doing what they need to do to keep their jobs. This is the same at the level of people we're talking about, here -- these are not executives, these are employees. They are not responsible for either the success or the failure of their previous projects, because they had no authority for them. The creative leadership at Star Wars has fairly consistently provided a game **I** enjoy, so giving them more employees with which to do their thing? It's a benefit that's pretty agnostic in relation to these peoples' resumes.

[Cuponoodle]

Автор сообщения: Sunny

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

I really hope that new content arrives for this game but at the same time seeing people excited because they pulled a team who may have helped make a game DOA is odd.

More content would be nice..just would rather it be quality.

That the team was involved in Anthem has nothing to do with why I brought it up. Good or bad, it's a significant financial investment on the part of the studio. So is hiring the particular voice actors that they got. Studios do not make significant financial investments for maintenance mode -- they keep the servers up, so people can log in.

Beyond that, how often is everyone in your workplace a failure due to weird management decisions? Usually that can be attributed to the managers themselves, not your co-workers for doing what they need to do to keep their jobs. This is the same at the level of people we're talking about, here -- these are not executives, these are employees. They are not responsible for either the success or the failure of their previous projects, because they had no authority for them. The creative leadership at Star Wars has fairly consistently provided a game **I** enjoy, so giving them more employees with which to do their thing? It's a benefit that's pretty agnostic in relation to these peoples' resumes.

I guess but people are getting excited for a failed team it's like getting excited because your city now has the Bengals. I hope this game succeeds and I play it often but perspective and expectations should be set because this team clearly did things really wrong. You can blame who you want for bad performance and bad ideas/execution but this team did that. Those with talent likely left before the train wreck or left by now.

[Sunny]

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

I guess but people are getting excited for a failed team it's like getting excited because your city now has the Bengals. I hope this game succeeds and I play it often but perspective and expectations should be set because this team clearly did things really wrong. You can blame who you want for bad performance and bad ideas/execution but this team did that. Those with talent likely left before the train wreck or left by now.

This is really just...not true. "Likely" means "I assume", and your assumptions are incorrect. You are coming to conclusions that have no basis in any reality, let alone the one we live in. People have children and need to pay the rent. They don't quit their jobs because of the creative direction of the project they're working on. That's ridiculous to the point of an outright stupid statement to make, especially given the job market in the industry right now.

eta: In the real world, you don't quit your job just because you disagree with your boss's decisions; you do what the boss says, because they're paying your paycheck, the paycheck is important, and "I think that we should add a new map" is not something you risk being uncertain about feeding your kids for.

All of these people were pulling a paycheck, regardless of the success of the project, so there is literally no reason for them to quit their jobs. We're talking about graphic artists, programmers, and writers here. These are not the people responsible for any flops. That's not how it works.

[Cuponoodle]

Автор сообщения: Sunny

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

I guess but people are getting excited for a failed team it's like getting excited because your city now has the Bengals. I hope this game succeeds and I play it often but perspective and expectations should be set because this team clearly did things really wrong. You can blame who you want for bad performance and bad ideas/execution but this team did that. Those with talent likely left before the train wreck or left by now.

This is really just...not true. "Likely" means "I assume", and your assumptions are incorrect. You are coming to conclusions that have no basis in any reality, let alone the one we live in. People have children and need to pay the rent. They don't quit their jobs because of the creative direction of the project they're working on. That's ridiculous to the point of an outright stupid statement to make, especially given the job market in the industry right now.

eta: In the real world, you don't quit your job just because you disagree with your boss's decisions; you do what the boss says, because they're paying your paycheck, the paycheck is important, and "I think that we should add a new map" is not something you risk being uncertain about feeding your kids for.

Anthem is all the basis in reality anyone needs... the rest of what you say is what you accuse me of baseless and wrong.

Plenty of people leave their job because they disagree with their boss/their vision to preserve their own careers when you get to the real world you'll see that a lot. If the map was the only thing wrong sure but Anthem did not fail from a map lack it was all around bad.

Everyone likes to root for the underdog but this team is not only an under dog but has a proven track record of failure.

You seem to make up things trying to prove some weird point I agree I hope they turn it around but putting faith in them without results or based on their track record is short sited and giving yourself false hope and trying to give the others the same false hope.

So I'll leave this here for future folks to see and ignore your troll attempts.

[Privatelvl25]

Wow man that is so edgy of you to regurgitate the same talking point that has been spewed since 2011. Just think if you keep repeating this for another 5 years or so you might be right at some point.

[Sunny]

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

Anthem is all the basis in reality anyone needs...

Not with how the industry works. Anthem's failure has zero to do with the graphic artists, programmers, and writers working on the project.

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

Plenty of people leave their job because they disagree with their boss/their vision to preserve their own careers when you get to the real world you'll see that a lot. If the map was the only thing wrong sure but Anthem did not fail from a map lack it was all around bad.

No, "plenty of people" don't. Those that do are outliers, particularly at the level we're talking about here. Quitting over creative direction of a project is stupid. It would make it harder to get a new job, because "I didn't like my boss's creative decisions" is not something that's going to make it through the next place's HR. Losing your medical insurance is a big deal over something that does not impact whether or not you're going to get paid or can do your job. This isn't McDonalds. They can't just go to another franchise location and get hired in a half hour.

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

Everyone likes to root for the underdog but this team is not only an under dog but has a proven track record of failure.

Straight up untrue. Anthem's failure has zero to do with the graphic artists, programmers, and writers working on the project. It was poorly managed. That's not the fault of the guy making the assets.

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

You seem to make up things trying to prove some weird point

What, precisely, am I making up? That people don't quit their jobs over things that don't impact their paycheck? What?

Автор сообщения: Cuponoodle

So I'll leave this here for future folks to see and ignore your troll attempts.

Troll attempts? Sweetheart, disagreeing with you and pointing out your false assumptions and outright misinformation is not trolling.

[Arauto Kagnos]

Автор сообщения: CP FELONS

Wow man that is so edgy of you to regurgitate the same talking point that has been spewed since 2011. Just think if you keep repeating this for another 5 years or so you might be right at some point.

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