Lack of New Game +

[GrimtyGray]

Honestly ruining... Literally could not stop thinking about it the whole run.
The borderlands formula without the newgame+ is just actually soulcrushing...

And there's no way to really do anything about it. I already played and beat the game.
Gearbox already got many hours of my time out of me. Is it not pitiful that I'm reduced to a state where I want to play more of Gearbox's game?

[Vexillarius]

No new game plus. WTF gearbox

Every borderlands game has had new game plus. The whole reason i play these games is solely to play new game plus. The first play through always sux because of level scaling, you haven't finished your build or got your best equipment yet.
I think i'm done with gearbox/2k after this. I wasn't able to play borderlands 3 because the developers where monitoring what weapons people we're using and nerfing them into the ground on a weekly basis. Considering these games are riddled with cheaters so you can't really play them online anyway i don't know why they think they need to balance the game anyway.

[Democratic Ice Noodle]

I feel like they dropped new game plus simply because most people don't play new game plus, that and in Borderlands 3 new game plus was actually kind of pointless since enemies level with you in the post game unlike earlier borderlands games.

[mimizukari]

I HATED ng+ in bl3, TTW launched with the best end game content of any BL game and i wouldn't have it any other way, can't wait for mirror of mysteries stuff which will also add new levels to chaos chamber.

[Raptor Jesus]

NG+ is basically just endless chaos trials. I can't imagine playing the story a second time, its why i haven't tried a different class combo. That and having to reloot the dice.

[Vexillarius]

It seems that most people don't like the new game plus/true vault hunter mode judging by the responses. Seems like just removing a feature for no reason though, since its really just a reset on the quests.
I just prefer doing quests rather than farming endless horde modes. Farming horde modes is good too. I just like to have options and now i dont. Plus even thoough the modifiers in chaos dungeons are essentially mayhem mode from BL3. You cant choose to apply those modifiers to other parts of the game which sux and just means less replay value for me.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by VEX84:

It seems that most people don't like the new game plus/true vault hunter mode judging by the responses. Seems like just removing a feature for no reason though, since its really just a reset on the quests.
I just prefer doing quests rather than farming endless horde modes. Farming horde modes is good too. I just like to have options and now i dont. Plus even thoough the modifiers in chaos dungeons are essentially mayhem mode from BL3. You cant choose to apply those modifiers to other parts of the game which sux and just means less replay value for me.

you can enjoy those modifiers for a longer period of time through extended runs though. iunno seems perfect to me, all resetting quests does is puts you in scenarios where you face enemies in a setting anyways, horde mode just simplifies that down to the most basic element.

I do with there were higher density spawns though

[Professor Portal]

One of the more hidden features that should be reworked is the "leader boards" in Chaos Chamber. If you're not looking closely, you'll miss the two small green circles at the top of the report that follows each Chaos run. For starters, the players' positions on the leader board should be shown in a dark font, rather than white. As it stands, they're nearly impossible to read within the green circles.

Another issue is lack of impact. I envisioned a highly visible, meaningful leader board system. Well-honed groups of players work to create the perfect blend of build "synergy" and coop synchronization to rightfully earn coveted spots for all to see. This is why I decided to buy the game at launch, rather than wait for the Steam release. So far this feature seems like a forgotten footnote.

[Raptor Jesus]

Originally posted by deneb altair vega:

Originally posted by VEX84:

It seems that most people don't like the new game plus/true vault hunter mode judging by the responses. Seems like just removing a feature for no reason though, since its really just a reset on the quests.
I just prefer doing quests rather than farming endless horde modes. Farming horde modes is good too. I just like to have options and now i dont. Plus even thoough the modifiers in chaos dungeons are essentially mayhem mode from BL3. You cant choose to apply those modifiers to other parts of the game which sux and just means less replay value for me.

you can enjoy those modifiers for a longer period of time through extended runs though. iunno seems perfect to me, all resetting quests does is puts you in scenarios where you face enemies in a setting anyways, horde mode just simplifies that down to the most basic element.

I do with there were higher density spawns though

I think I preferred boss farming over chaos dungeons. There is so few choices and iterations of levels that its boring after 5 runs.

[Jeris]

Originally posted by Raptor Jesus:

Originally posted by deneb altair vega:

you can enjoy those modifiers for a longer period of time through extended runs though. iunno seems perfect to me, all resetting quests does is puts you in scenarios where you face enemies in a setting anyways, horde mode just simplifies that down to the most basic element.

I do with there were higher density spawns though

I think I preferred boss farming over chaos dungeons. There is so few choices and iterations of levels that its boring after 5 runs.

You can still boss farm, along with random bosses showing up at the end of chaos runs. Best of both worlds.

[Mailer]

Originally posted by deneb altair vega:

Originally posted by VEX84:

It seems that most people don't like the new game plus/true vault hunter mode judging by the responses. Seems like just removing a feature for no reason though, since its really just a reset on the quests.
I just prefer doing quests rather than farming endless horde modes. Farming horde modes is good too. I just like to have options and now i dont. Plus even thoough the modifiers in chaos dungeons are essentially mayhem mode from BL3. You cant choose to apply those modifiers to other parts of the game which sux and just means less replay value for me.

you can enjoy those modifiers for a longer period of time through extended runs though. iunno seems perfect to me, all resetting quests does is puts you in scenarios where you face enemies in a setting anyways, horde mode just simplifies that down to the most basic element.

Thing is though, replaying the story in a TVHM fashion, prior to BL3 at least, also meant that you would encounter new enemies and subtle changes to the difficulty of the game like enemy shields providing resistances, the "early bloom" of a larger diversity of weapons and elements since everything was unlocked from the start at that point. TVHM in no way merely encapsulates, to me at least, that you are just doing the same quests all over again with no worthwhile twist to make it enjoyable.
Heck, throw all of your guns away when you are level 30 and starting off all over again at Serenity's Waste and it's a pretty refreshing but hard experience to get new gear on level again.

The whole point being that it would actually take *effort* on their behalf to make a TVHM mode like this in Wonderlands as well with its own twists to be engaging, and this was probably not even on their radar when the game diverted from being a BL3 DLC to a standalone game.

Instead the whole burden of replay-ability has now been placed on this one "solely down to basic elements" dungeon generator to be diverse enough. I am not singling out your words in any way to be mean, of course, since your comment on "basic element" is actually very well put.

[Master Blaster]

I would never want to rerun a character thru due to Overworld, so glad its not BL3 or any that you have to redo the whole story to level up

[Jeris]

Originally posted by Mailer:

The whole point being that it would actually take *effort* on their behalf to make a TVHM mode like this in Wonderlands as well, and this was probably not even on their radar when the game diverted from being a BL3 DLC to a standalone game.

I am pretty sure it wouldn't take much effort. Given that the weapon variety and altered difficulty already exist. So resetting quests/zones and making enemies a higher level would take almost no effort at all. Especially since enemies already scale with you from the start.

It is much more likely that not having ng+ was pre-planned then some assumed laziness.

[Mailer]

Originally posted by Jeris:

Originally posted by Mailer:

The whole point being that it would actually take *effort* on their behalf to make a TVHM mode like this in Wonderlands as well, and this was probably not even on their radar when the game diverted from being a BL3 DLC to a standalone game.

I am pretty sure it wouldn't take much effort. Given that the weapon variety and altered difficulty already exist. So resetting quests/zones and making enemies a higher level would take almost no effort at all. Especially since enemies already scale with you from the start.

It is much more likely that not having ng+ was pre-planned then some assumed laziness.

Yeah but there has to be more to it than just resetting all of the switches back to zero and calling it a new mode. In Wonderlands it ought to be because the start of the narrative is about your character having nothing, picking up an axe and hacking up creatures dropping gold for the first time. How do you re-appropriate that into a character starting out with gear already in hand, right? Hell, why not replace the Tina narrative with some retelling of the story, like the Pre-sequel does? That's the kind of thought process I would expect out of a TVHM mode for Wonderlands. Add to that a few enemy variants of tailored elemental resistance to twist things up and things like that; maybe options to skip dialogue or tutorial steps, etc...

Sure, it's not a ginormous effort, I agree, but it still would have taken them to consider this before launch at the very least. I just firmly believe that something like this could exist in the game and still be of great appreciation for people who want to continue with their characters on some twist. If only to spread out the replay-ability burden just a little bit from running the dungeon generator into the ground with monotonous-y.

[Blacker]

i think they said they were gonna add ng+ in a future update. It's a staple of all borderlands games so not including it is idiotic.

[Vexillarius]

Originally posted by d3str0y3r:

What would be the point of NG+? You can easily hit max level before you finish the main story. So if you are already max level what would be the point?

Because when i played these games in the past the game didn't really begin until max level. I don't actually start farming for the legendaries i wan't until max level. While leveling half the time your going to have an unfinished build and a gun that is like 10 levels lower than the boss your fighting. It's not until max level the scaling stops making your ♥♥♥♥ obsolete every five minutes.
The true vault hunter mode had a big bump on the difficulty and had enemies and drops you didn't get on your first playthrough. I'm at max level at the moment and i want to start farming the legendaries to make the build really good i just don't enjoy spamming the chaos chamber and just want to farm quests and bosses like i was already doing.
Doesn't seem like the chaotic gear or the next tier(i forget what its called)is even available outside the chaos chamber. Just seem like a waste to me, may as well recycle the rest of the game.
But to really answer the original question, there is no point. Its just for something to do.