slowly it's getting old how barrage dominates everything

[Shovel Fighter]

when i started the game i was still thinking about how well balanced most suits are... that was before i started playing barrage for the first time and immediately noticed that something was absolutely wrong.

Not only did I win MVP disproportionately often, I also found that I managed to do it all without any particular effort. It wasn't just in PVE that it was easy to collect huge amounts of points, PVP also became super easy... you just had to jump around a bit so that the opponent didn't hit you immediately and throw the grenades in the approximate direction of the opponent... and boom WIN.

it took so much less effort that i was almost ashamed. i felt like i was exploiting an imbalance in the game that obviously had to be overlooked by the developers.

that was one of the reasons i stopped playing barrage. i wanted to earn my points and not get them for free. but the longer i have to watch the crap in game the more it annoys me.

it takes so much excitement out of the matches ...and makes a lot of confrontations boring or frustrating.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by Phishfood:

You need to account for rate of fire and reload animations and the likelihood of actually hitting these shots. A vigilant is more likely to hit consecutive crits, plus their mod for getting instant charge for landing a crit. Barrage and Deadeye's instant reload mods.

For a Vigilant its much harder to hit consecutive shots since they have to spend more time adjusting their aim. A Barrage doesnt even need to get a direct hit in to deal damage.

Originally posted by Phishfood:

the MVP selection is kind of busted as it gives it to the person with most points on the winning team, how many points you can get doesn't directly translate to how much of an asset you are to your team.

It does when you are playing Barrage.

Originally posted by Phishfood:

A vigilant could be sniping flying enemies out of the sky to stop it from harassing you

Meanwhile a deadeye shoots down several of them in the same time and uses their grenade on hordes when its off cd.

Meanwhile a Barrage can oneshot a group of them if they are good, or drop them out of the sky.

Originally posted by Phishfood:

and the supports but that isn't as point worthy as you blowing up an entire raptor swarm. You could be blowing up raptors for more points but you're not waiting for murasame to charge his counter and wipe them out in an instant, which would have given you more time to work on the big dino.

I dont know why you are assuming there's a specific other suit present just to devalue Barrage. That seems an awfully specific condition.

Not to mention its a bad situation to use as example. You get energy from blowing up those dinos and that could mean your Overdrive is up by the time you kill the big dino. You use it, and bam! The big dino dies a lot faster. Even in this situation you presented, Barrage doing his thing is good for the team.

Originally posted by Phishfood:

I can't say for sure how balanced the game is but you're blowing it our of proportion. Every suit has its pros and cons, barrage is nowhere near dominant except when it comes to awarding arbitrary points. Though In the final story mission no one has ever out performed me on points using Vigilant.

I only started playing Barrage near the tailend of the story. It was a bit of a shock finding out just how stupidly good Barrage is. OP is not blowing it out of proportion.

Originally posted by Shocks:

Vigilant & Deadeye aim at a point and hit there. Especially Vigilant is meant for Long range, while Deadeye is mid range.
Barrage at that point is short to mid range. Also his "bullets" / grenades from the launcher dont "fly" in a straight line, you have to aim higher and at a certain point they just explode in the air hitting nothing.

Also the AoE is capped to max 5 Dinos (Or was it 4?).
Bullets from Vigilant pierce their target, so you can kinda say it´s a type of AoE too.

Every Exo has it´s Pros and Cons!

The Points Barrage makes are relevant in which case? Getting MVP? After getting MVP 100 times you can´t even see how many times you got it.

Oh and btw, don´t forget you have 6 magsize with Barrage, not 10. You need the Mod in Slot 1 on level 5 to get 10 magsize :)

That's nice on paper. But we all also have experience playing games, right?

What is your experience with clear speeds when using Barrage vs Vigilant vs Deadeye?

My experience tells me that Deadeye can have an edge in single target. (if Barrage Overdrive is not up) But is much weaker at hordes. Both Deadeye and Barrage are good at pvp.

However Barrage is also much easier to do well with in both pve and pvp. You dont have to be able to aim well. Whereas a Deadeye player has to have a really good aim even in pve if they want to try and keep up with a Barrage.

Vigilant? Coolest looking suit, bar none. Also the weakest suit, bar none. If you are picking Vigilant during pve section, you are basically inting/sandbagging. You'll be of more use picking a Skywave for dps.

[Shovel Fighter]

Originally posted by Easy:

As a lvl 100 Nimbus, i can tell you, that s a skill issue of yours.

skill clearly plays a role. but skill only helps a little to compensate for imbalances. it cannot solve the problem in itself. certain suits just have an advantage. Whether through their abilitys, versatility or the ability to farm points.

why is it so hard to admit for some? The game can only get better if the devs work on the balance. shouldn't that be in everyone's interest?

Originally posted by Easy:

Everyone flaming how easy Barrage gets a lot of points. Invest some time and brain into the game and after that you realise, how easy u can get a lot of points with Nimbus, Roadblock, Witchdoctor & Murasame aswell. You guys just need to use brain to easily catch up with a Barrage if you play them.

okay, just naming the four other suits that can collect points just as easily doesn't solve the problem, does it?

the mvp system should be designed in such a way that it does not favor certain classes or playstyles. so everyone has the chance to win in the end. the whole thing should work as a reward system for everyone who contributes accordingly. the way it is set up at the moment, it is rather demotivating.

Originally posted by Shocks:

Oh and btw, don´t forget you have 6 magsize with Barrage, not 10. You need the Mod in Slot 1 on level 5 to get 10 magsize :)

Good point, I must have overlooked that. but basically the calculation is not very accurate anyway because it only shows the theoretical damage per magazine and not the concrete DPS.

[Saica-Fox]

Originally posted by Aodin:

Barrage will 1 shot every invading dino too lmao he's way too strong

let me teach you how murasame can 1 shot dinos with his ult as well

[Shovel Fighter]

Originally posted by Hazmy:

Aside from that rating an Exosuit's effectiveness based on how easy or often you get MVP status isn't exactly meaningful considering how bad and unbalanced the MVP system is. Some characters earn medals a LOT easier and a LOT more than others while just dealing a ton of damage alone does not earn you those bonus medals.

That was actually exactly the point I was concerned with... well, more or less. There are some other aspects that bother me about Barrage... but whatever.

your videos on youtube are really good, i especially liked your guides for the suits. keep it up.

[Phishfood]

Will the people who think barrage is OP admit something first.

Points do not equal meaningful team contribution, what it does contribute to is your end game suit exp.

MVP status which is based on points also does not equal meaningful team contribution. Plenty of times I've seen a player on the losing team with significantly more points than the MVP.

Your team contribution is more nuanced than a bunch of numbers the game adds up for you.

[Shocks]

Originally posted by Saica-Fox:

Originally posted by Aodin:

Barrage will 1 shot every invading dino too lmao he's way too strong

let me teach you how murasame can 1 shot dinos with his ult as well

Hi Troll,
Love to read false information (especially from you) the whole time.
Show me the 1 shot, I really want to see how Barrage 5k Ult or Murasame 4k Ult ONESHOT a 10k HP Dino :)

[Shocks]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Vigilant? Coolest looking suit, bar none. Also the weakest suit, bar none. If you are picking Vigilant during pve section, you are basically inting/sandbagging. You'll be of more use picking a Skywave for dps.

You really got either 0 knowledge of the game or never saw a Vigilant that knows what to do... Also, you want 2 Barrages? Then 1 will be completely useless cause only ONE burn is working, the other Barrage doesn´t get any burn on Dinos -> No Damage -> No Points.
But hey, you know everything right? ;)

[Phishfood]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

For a Vigilant its much harder to hit consecutive shots since they have to spend more time adjusting their aim. A Barrage doesnt even need to get a direct hit in to deal damage.

I don't have a problem with my aim for that to be a problem. When a weak point isn't available I can still just shoot the non armored parts. It's hitscan so I'm not going to have a problem landing a shot on a moving dino, unlike barrage.

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

It does when you are playing Barrage.

You make a many well thought out points.

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Meanwhile a deadeye shoots down several of them in the same time and uses their grenade on hordes when its off cd.

Meanwhile a Barrage can oneshot a group of them if they are good, or drop them out of the sky.

I've levelled all my DPS past level 16. with just 2 other suits under 16. My experience is dead eye takes around the same time to deal with flying enemies as vigilant but falls behind when there's a neo flying variant.

In your hypothetical scenario barrage would have to already be in the correct position, when the pteradons spawn, and spawn clustered together. This happens in rare instances, I know because I've done it before.

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

I dont know why you are assuming there's a specific other suit present just to devalue Barrage. That seems an awfully specific condition.

Not to mention its a bad situation to use as example. You get energy from blowing up those dinos and that could mean your Overdrive is up by the time you kill the big dino. You use it, and bam! The big dino dies a lot faster. Even in this situation you presented, Barrage doing his thing is good for the team.

I've had 170+ games, in games where there's a barrage and a murasame, I always see it happen. Murasame goes in for the round slash, then the block, and barrage thinks it's best to lob some grenades in because they're all clustered together. You're also overestimating how quickly you get overdrive charge, or the fact there can be multiple big dinos in a wave and the next wave will likely have a big dino if the current wave has one. Letting Murasame get charge is better for the team than barrage getting more points, don't forget Murasame has his own 5000 damage overdrive.

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

I only started playing Barrage near the tailend of the story. It was a bit of a shock finding out just how stupidly good Barrage is. OP is not blowing it out of proportion.

When you finish the story more scenarios will show up. These games will test you more and show you why chasing points doesn't earn you victory. I've been the barrage with the most points of any player on both teams many times, but at the same time been on the losing team. I know from experience it doesn't mean meaningful contribution.

[SergeMan76]

I thought Barrage was pretty OP starting out too, especially in those earlier missions. I've been playing more and found the other DPS classes to be just as good. Utility is the key. Barrage kinda sucks at hitting stuff in the air accurately. The other two shooter suits do that well, they both also have alot better range.

Barrage is fun, easy to play and feel good about your playing. His Ult Deletes, but so does Deadeyes, and you don't need to suicide charge in for his.

I think this game has done a good job of play what you want.... Unless it is a Zone defense thing, then switch to a shooter and stand on the point like a good exofighter, and stop running away trying to farm raptors that you can afford to wait the 3 seconds until they arrive to you.

[GravePC]

barrage 4 ever

[Terror]

He's kinda ♥♥♥♥ in pvp without his ult so I guess that's the trade off. It's pretty easy to dodge his grenades unless you're one of the big tanks