Where are nukes?

[Joe Rogan]

Title. I thought this is cold war going HOT

[The Muero]

no ballistic or special weapon as nukes

[Intimidator]

Clearly a tactical game!!

No nukes needed or wanted.

[Joe Rogan]

Originally posted by Intimidator:

Clearly a tactical game!!

No nukes needed or wanted.

Makes no sense, nuclear torpedo is not only standart and not some "speciality weapon" but also its tactical. Clearly you don't know much about nuclear doctrine at sea during cold war.

[undercovergeek]

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What part of that do you not understand?

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by Joe Rogan:

Originally posted by Intimidator:

Clearly a tactical game!!

No nukes needed or wanted.

Makes no sense, nuclear torpedo is not only standart and not some "speciality weapon" but also its tactical. Clearly you don't know much about nuclear doctrine at sea during cold war.

Indeed. There were even nuclear AA missiles as well. The thinking was that we'd go tactical nuke first so torpedoes, artillery shells and AA missiles were all devised tso that we could all go tactical with nukes before the strategic exchange.

It's a very good job it never happened. Tactical use of WMD were planned for. But I can understand why they're not present in a tactical wargame such as this. That's pretty much a wipe of the OpFor after spotting them which wouldn't be much fun.

[jbarry39]

NO!!!

[Bobjr]

The developers have mentioned it a few times here and there, but it's not on the store page: They are distinctly against having nuclear weapons in the game, as they have deemed it to be not fun, as a single nuclear warhead could just end a scenario. So don't expect to see any nukes in the game unless someone mods it in.

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by Joe Rogan:

Originally posted by Intimidator:

Clearly a tactical game!!

No nukes needed or wanted.

Makes no sense, nuclear torpedo is not only standart and not some "speciality weapon" but also its tactical. Clearly you don't know much about nuclear doctrine at sea during cold war.

Regarding my knowingabout.....
I do remember some plotting of nucleair explosions during exercises in my function as CIC operator in the Dutch Navy back in the early 90's. ;)

What I meant was is that the step into (tactical) nuclear usage will probably trigger an strategic response... therefor not within the scope of this game!!

[der_butschi]

Originally posted by Bobjr:

The developers have mentioned it a few times here and there, but it's not on the store page: They are distinctly against having nuclear weapons in the game, as they have deemed it to be not fun, as a single nuclear warhead could just end a scenario. So don't expect to see any nukes in the game unless someone mods it in.

I get the no fun point. That said, I'd like to have tactical nukes. Not for the power fantasy but because I play this kind of game in order to experience how an actual war would have played out. I'm not much of an expert on the naval side of this but looking at cold war land doctrine and equipment, much of that makes sense only if you keep in mind that both sides factored in that tactical nukes are part of the battlefield reality. (spacing between formations, infantry dismounting doctrine, etc.). If we are not talking strategic nukes, the "smaller" ones wouldn't have wiped out the entire opfor in one big bang. So, formation spacing would probably look different if nuclear torpedoes, etc. were a realistic threat.

Oh well, it is a nice to have, though and certainly not a priority.

[Bobjr]

Originally posted by der_butschi:

Originally posted by Bobjr:

The developers have mentioned it a few times here and there, but it's not on the store page: They are distinctly against having nuclear weapons in the game, as they have deemed it to be not fun, as a single nuclear warhead could just end a scenario. So don't expect to see any nukes in the game unless someone mods it in.

I get the no fun point. That said, I'd like to have tactical nukes. Not for the power fantasy but because I play this kind of game in order to experience how an actual war would have played out. I'm not much of an expert on the naval side of this but looking at cold war land doctrine and equipment, much of that makes sense only if you keep in mind that both sides factored in that tactical nukes are part of the battlefield reality. (spacing between formations, infantry dismounting doctrine, etc.). If we are not talking strategic nukes, the "smaller" ones wouldn't have wiped out the entire opfor in one big bang. So, formation spacing would probably look different if nuclear torpedoes, etc. were a realistic threat.

Oh well, it is a nice to have, though and certainly not a priority.

Well, once the game starts veering towards finishing early access, the modding tools should become increasingly extensive, so if we're lucky some kind modder will put nukes in the game and then we can try it out.

[🎀Hara🎀]

Originally posted by Intimidator:

Clearly a tactical game!!

No nukes needed or wanted.

and yet someone just made a post about nukes being wanted

i say the devs at least should give us nuclear torpedos and depth charges even if they don't give us Megaton level nuclear weapons

[swordsman422]

If this were a strategic-level game, I'd be for it, but it's a tactical sim. No need for an instant "I Win" button with no other consequences.

[Gunnyhighway]

I find the nuke button a suspense killer

[mccoyco64]

Maybe they wanted the game to last more than 30 seconds?

[Intimidator]

Originally posted by 🎀Hara🎀:

Originally posted by Intimidator:

Clearly a tactical game!!

No nukes needed or wanted.

and yet someone just made a post about nukes being wanted

i say the devs at least should give us nuclear torpedos and depth charges even if they don't give us Megaton level nuclear weapons

As I made clear!! Not my cup off tea!