SS-N-14 Silex requiring radar lock to target submarine contact

[YAOUCH.]

As the title says, I was playing the "Hunters or hunted" mission where you have to find and kill an american Sturgeon submarine. I managed to pin down its location and have the helo dipping a sonar right above his head. Everything ok, back to my boat to shoot a Silex at it, but it doesn't work. I am in range, orientated towards the target, but it doesn't want to shoot. Hovering my mouse over the weapon, it says "engaging target xxxx, (target is not detectable by FCR)".

Now it seems like a bug, because I don't know why my FCR should be used to target a submarine with an anti-submarine weapon, but there could also be an IRL reason I don't know about. Any ideas ?

[darknight]

i think it can use FCR or the radio link from the copter, maybe both options, namely the copter arent in yet?

[jrf773]

FCR needs to track the missile to tell it where to drop IIRC, and the sub/helo is OTH. There is an older thread about it, and I dunno where it is. It is older than six months from what I remember.

edit:LoS issues is the short answer.

[darknight]

surely if the copter has LOS as above, then is should use radio link command from it?

[supersound99ss]

Seems odd to make a weapon have a range beyond the horizon with no way to use it that far.

[BobTank63]

Silex requires guidance to the drop zone by the same FCR that controls the forward SA-N-3 system. So it could be a bug, since you are in range, or it could be a LOS issue.

[jrf773]

Originally posted by supersound99ss:

Seems odd to make a weapon have a range beyond the horizon with no way to use it that far.

The Navy doing something that makes sense? Are you kidding? It is against the Naval Regs. 😝

[supersound99ss]

Originally posted by jrf773:

Originally posted by supersound99ss:

Seems odd to make a weapon have a range beyond the horizon with no way to use it that far.

The Navy doing something that makes sense? Are you kidding? It is against the Naval Regs. 😝

I was talking about in game as IRL that could certainly be true lol.

[CASTLE BR4V0]

Originally posted by supersound99ss:

Seems odd to make a weapon have a range beyond the horizon with no way to use it that far.

They can use it that far. It requires mid course updates to do so, which is a big reason for aircraft like the Ka series. It’s the nature of the limitations of the technology at the time. Too many people view this stuff through our lens of Starlink and GPS and GLONASS and whatever else and that stuff just didn’t exist at time period this game is set. It’s not “odd” it’s necessary.

[supersound99ss]

Originally posted by CASTLE BR4V0:

Originally posted by supersound99ss:

Seems odd to make a weapon have a range beyond the horizon with no way to use it that far.

They can use it that far. It requires mid course updates to do so, which is a big reason for aircraft like the Ka series. It’s the nature of the limitations of the technology at the time. Too many people view this stuff through our lens of Starlink and GPS and GLONASS and whatever else and that stuff just didn’t exist at time period this game is set. It’s not “odd” it’s necessary.

Source where Silex is listed as mid course guidance capable? I've only seen mid course for Soviet ASMs, not ASW ones.

What I am actually thinking is the devs used the book data on it, but the book never took into account OTH use.

[BobTank63]

Originally posted by supersound99ss:

Originally posted by CASTLE BR4V0:

They can use it that far. It requires mid course updates to do so, which is a big reason for aircraft like the Ka series. It’s the nature of the limitations of the technology at the time. Too many people view this stuff through our lens of Starlink and GPS and GLONASS and whatever else and that stuff just didn’t exist at time period this game is set. It’s not “odd” it’s necessary.

Source where Silex is listed as mid course guidance capable? I've only seen mid course for Soviet ASMs, not ASW ones.

What I am actually thinking is the devs used the book data on it, but the book never took into account OTH use.

It's in the unit reference panel in game. An FCR is used to transmit commands to the missile to guide it and tell it where to drop. On Kara and Kresta 2 ships, this is actually the same FCR that controls the forward SA-N-3 launcher.

[Irving Mainway]

OTH use is very "round-about way", i.e. the helicopter would relay its radar data back to the firing ship (as I understand it they basically had a PPI repeater console which would be fed with a duplicate picture of what the helicopter or Bear's radar was "seeing").

The firing ship was the only one ever in control of the missile and this is why it had to remain within LOS.

[supersound99ss]

Originally posted by Irving Mainway:

OTH use is very "round-about way", i.e. the helicopter would relay its radar data back to the firing ship (as I understand it they basically had a PPI repeater console which would be fed with a duplicate picture of what the helicopter or Bear's radar was "seeing").

The firing ship was the only one ever in control of the missile and this is why it had to remain within LOS.

Which again would point to why give it a max range it can't possibly engage at. It's range should be the horizon.