Simultaneously launch and recover aircraft on carriers.

[White Wolf]

Congrats on the launch Martin and team.

I'm courius if you are planning on making carriers be able and launch and recover planes at the same time. Now it seams that the carriers only can launch or recover aicraft.

One of the reasons for making the flight deck angled was to be able to launch aircraft on the bow while landing aircraft on the flight deck. Right now the carriers are kinda gimped being unable to launch while recovering aircraft.

Cheers =)

[Argonath]

Pretty sure USN and other navies dont do simulataneous launch and recovery, as the forward area used to clear landed aircraft

[Hawk Firestorm]

They do already.

[White Wolf]

Originally posted by GIngerNinja1408:

Pretty sure USN and other navies dont do simulataneous launch and recovery, as the forward area used to clear landed aircraft

Look it up its standard practice.

[White Wolf]

Originally posted by Hawk Firestorm:

They do already.

i tried in the encyclopedia, launched a 4 flights of 2. Then told them to land, while launching more flights. They all stayed in a holding pattern until all of the launching flight had taken off.

[strykerpsg]

Originally posted by GIngerNinja1408:

Pretty sure USN and other navies dont do simulataneous launch and recovery, as the forward area used to clear landed aircraft

That was the sole purpose of creating the slanted deck, to do both simultaneously, if needed.

[Mango]

Originally posted by strykerpsg:

Originally posted by GIngerNinja1408:

Pretty sure USN and other navies dont do simulataneous launch and recovery, as the forward area used to clear landed aircraft

That was the sole purpose of creating the slanted deck, to do both simultaneously, if needed.

The actual main reason is so that landing aircraft always have a clear path to go around if they miss the wire - on a straight deck carrier there's no space for that.

[strykerpsg]

True, but also have the capability to launch and recover

[Mango]

Originally posted by strykerpsg:

True, but also have the capability to launch and recover

yes, but standard practice is not to do so if it can be avoided.

Originally posted by White Wolf:

Originally posted by GIngerNinja1408:

Pretty sure USN and other navies dont do simulataneous launch and recovery, as the forward area used to clear landed aircraft

Look it up its standard practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_United_States_Navy_carrier_air_operations#Cyclic_operations

The standard practice is to launch, then recover in a sequence, not simultaneously.

[Lolman345]

Originally posted by Mango:

Originally posted by strykerpsg:

True, but also have the capability to launch and recover

yes, but standard practice is not to do so if it can be avoided.

Originally posted by White Wolf:

Look it up its standard practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_United_States_Navy_carrier_air_operations#Cyclic_operations

The standard practice is to launch, then recover in a sequence, not simultaneously.

Thats only for Cyclic operations which are out of combat or peacetime operation, that is not indicative of combat operations. The citation that you got your quote from specifically states such. "c. Flex deck - Flex Deck is a special type of flight operation in which the flight deck is kept ready (flexible) to launch and recover aircraft at short and irregular intervals of time. The operations are performed when there is a calculable and significant threat of attack to the carrier." https://motomom.tripod.com/CVN103

[Mango]

Originally posted by Lolman345:

Originally posted by Mango:

yes, but standard practice is not to do so if it can be avoided.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_United_States_Navy_carrier_air_operations#Cyclic_operations

The standard practice is to launch, then recover in a sequence, not simultaneously.

Thats only for Cyclic operations which are out of combat or peacetime operation, that is not indicative of combat operations. The citation that you got your quote from specifically states such. "c. Flex deck - Flex Deck is a special type of flight operation in which the flight deck is kept ready (flexible) to launch and recover aircraft at short and irregular intervals of time. The operations are performed when there is a calculable and significant threat of attack to the carrier." https://motomom.tripod.com/CVN103

You left out the rest of the paragraph that immediately follows your qoute....

"The normal cyclic interval of 90 minutes is typically reduced to between 40 and 60 minutes. The shorter cyclic interval enhances the capability of the carrier to respond to the escalated threat of attack by increasing the opportunities for launching, recovering, refueling, rearming and reconfiguring aircraft."

[Lolman345]

Originally posted by Mango:

Originally posted by Lolman345:

Thats only for Cyclic operations which are out of combat or peacetime operation, that is not indicative of combat operations. The citation that you got your quote from specifically states such. "c. Flex deck - Flex Deck is a special type of flight operation in which the flight deck is kept ready (flexible) to launch and recover aircraft at short and irregular intervals of time. The operations are performed when there is a calculable and significant threat of attack to the carrier." https://motomom.tripod.com/CVN103

You left out the rest of the paragraph that immediately follows your qoute....

"The normal cyclic interval of 90 minutes is typically reduced to between 40 and 60 minutes. The shorter cyclic interval enhances the capability of the carrier to respond to the escalated threat of attack by increasing the opportunities for launching, recovering, refueling, rearming and reconfiguring aircraft."

Thats still with the carrier operating under cyclic operations but with a reduced cycle, that is not what Flex Deck operations allow to occur.

[Larkis]

I think a very ood first step would be to update AI to get a much closer recovery cycle.

Yesterday i made a test, launch 4 TomCats 2 E3 and a Few Prowlers and give them all RTB Calls. It takes a lot time and often there was just one plane at the final pattern on 900ft.

SOmetimes it worked well, there were 2 planes on the landing pattern and the first plane clear the deck when the second one was on final. But then it was 5-10 Minutes before the next plane enter the pattern.

In my opinion there should allways 3 planes in the landing pattern. First Plane on Final, Second Plane on the Break and the Third one at the start of the pattern.

Having launches and recovery at the same time would create some trouble.

Recovery can only use the back elevator, cause you neee the front elevator for start operation. But in this ase, the planes are a lot longer on the runway until the next plane can recover.

[Mango]

Originally posted by Lolman345:

Originally posted by Mango:

You left out the rest of the paragraph that immediately follows your qoute....

"The normal cyclic interval of 90 minutes is typically reduced to between 40 and 60 minutes. The shorter cyclic interval enhances the capability of the carrier to respond to the escalated threat of attack by increasing the opportunities for launching, recovering, refueling, rearming and reconfiguring aircraft."

Thats still with the carrier operating under cyclic operations but with a reduced cycle, that is not what Flex Deck operations allow to occur.

My read is that sentence is still part of section (c) and therefore describes how flex deck changes the cycles, especially telling is the part "to respond to *the* escalated threat of attack" but ok I'll agree to disagree.