CMO can finally die then?

[Kepotica]

Will this be similar to CMO but without the multitude of bugs?

[BobTank63]

A bit smaller in scope, both with battle sizes and timeframe. But yes CMO can finally have it's long overdue death.

[-TwistedPretzel-]

I don't think there is an apt comparison to be made between the two. CMO is very niche but has no competition for its niche, I have a tough time considering it a game to be honest. Sea Power seems to be a highly realistic simulation, with some similarities at the wave tops but I don't think it is intended to be a direct competitor with the CMO niche.

[BobTank63]

Originally posted by -TwistedPretzel-:

I don't think there is an apt comparison to be made between the two. CMO is very niche but has no competition for its niche, I have a tough time considering it a game to be honest. Sea Power seems to be a highly realistic simulation, with some similarities at the wave tops but I don't think it is intended to be a direct competitor with the CMO niche.

I’m approaching from the aspect that CMO is currently being the only modern game to simulate missile warfare at the tactical and operational level. Anyone who wants a realistic take on this era of naval combat pretty much has to go to CMO, unless they can struggle through making JFC work. For those who don’t want the jank that CMO has its looking to be a great alternative.

[HofVanStrudel]

its a fleet command killer

[daan_son]

cmo?

[BobTank63]

Command Modern Operations, an operational/strategic naval warfare game which is currently the only option if you want realistic naval warfare.

[BobTank63]

Originally posted by HofVanStrudel:

its a fleet command killer

Fleet Command is already kind of dead due to the difficulties running it on modern hardware.

[Nats]

Oh definitely not. This looks interesting but the previous games have been fairly light wargames and I am sure this will be the same, nothing like the realism and scope of CMO. Good eye candy and exciting action but not anything like CMO. They are completely different.

Apart from that this is set in the 60-80s only whereas CMO covers all eras from 30s to near future. CMOs real strength is in portraying present day fantasy conflicts such as a modern Korean War, China and Taiwan, The Spratly Islands, Middle East etc and showcasing modern technology.

[BobTank63]

Originally posted by Nats:

Oh definitely not. This looks interesting but the previous games have been fairly light wargames and I am sure this will be the same, nothing like the realism and scope of CMO. Good eye candy and exciting action but not anything like CMO. They are completely different.

Apart from that this is set in the 60-80s only whereas CMO covers all eras from 30s to near future. CMOs real strength is in portraying present day fantasy conflicts such as a modern Korean War, China and Taiwan, The Spratly Islands, Middle East etc and showcasing modern technology.

Yep, CMO certainly has the realism. Unfortunately, that's the only thing it has going for it in my opinion. It's kinda ruined after you encounter one of the games many, MANY, bugs that ruins an exciting mission. Then you have to go to the dev team on their obscure forum and beg them to fix it, which they may or may not do.

[Actionjackson]

CMO is like a different game, this is a "replacement" for fleet command.

[Awac]

I really don't hope this is a replacement for CMO, i do hope its more in the vein of Cold Waters which is sort of "sim light" and still gamey but also have alot of depth and staying true to its source material.

[BobTank63]

I should probably clarify what I mean by "this kills CMO".

For modern games about missile naval combat, pretty much the option available is CMO. Which means that you have to deal with the high micro, obtuse UI, and a dev team with an ego bigger than the state of Texas.

When Sea Power comes out, it will allow people who want to play missile naval combat to have another, better option.

I do NOT expect Sea Power to be a CMO level sim. That is fine and I like a lighter sim anyway.

Hope this clarifies my comments.

[KevlarBurrito]

CMO wasn't ever really intended to be what it's become, comparing to two is like booting up a 9-1-1 dispatch program and then complaining it doesn't accurately simulate emergency services. CMO is/was a port of training tools.

[strykerpsg]

Apples and oranges to compare CMO to this. As already stated by many others, this is more a replacement for Jane's fleet Command, long overdue. This seems to also be on a smaller tactical scale than many of the CMO scenarios.

With regards to Bob's comments about CMO and the developers, I feel you've obviously come across to them in the wrong way, as that development team and the forum contributors bend over backwards to accommodate, unless you come in very combative.

Very much looking forward to this upcoming release.

[BobTank63]

Originally posted by strykerpsg:

Apples and oranges to compare CMO to this. As already stated by many others, this is more a replacement for Jane's fleet Command, long overdue. This seems to also be on a smaller tactical scale than many of the CMO scenarios.

With regards to Bob's comments about CMO and the developers, I feel you've obviously come across to them in the wrong way, as that development team and the forum contributors bend over backwards to accommodate, unless you come in very combative.

Very much looking forward to this upcoming release.

I was called "full of ♥♥♥♥" unprompted by one of the CMO devs. I wouldn't call that "accommodating".

It's less the dev team as a whole and more the community manager, Dimitris. He meets any sign of criticism about his game, good faith or not, with hostility, no matter where it is. I came across him on r/NCD of all places, arguing away in every single comment thread of a post using the game. I've also had friends who've seen him spam pinging Discord servers to advertise CMO.

I'm very much looking forward to this game as well, so I can play a missile naval warfare game which doesn't have developers who insult users at a drop of a hat.