[bug] Crafting Generic Frog Eggs fails in Custom game.

[Zewtastic]

Playing a Custom game, with ALL blueprints unlocked, I have all the ingredients to make the Generic Frog Eggs, yet the DNA manipulator simply fails.

This is not the only item that fails in the DNA manipulator, some butterfly's also fail, they all need to be checked.

Edit: this was on Humble DLC

[flint74]

If you look in the left-hand screen on the DNA Manipulator you'll see that the only recipes listed there are for making various tree seeds and the Lirma seed.

In order to make generic frog eggs you need to place the following ingredients in an Incubator: Phytoplankton C / T4 Mutagen / T1 Fertilizer

[Zewtastic]

Originally posted by flint74:

If you look in the left-hand screen on the DNA Manipulator you'll see that the only recipes listed there are for making various tree seeds and the Lirma seed.

In order to make generic frog eggs you need to place the following ingredients in an Incubator: Phytoplankton C / T4 Mutagen / T1 Fertilizer

Yes, I fully understand that. Have over 400 hours playing.
Putting those ingredients in, pushing the Research button gets me a message that says No Match Found, and it fails to work.

I'm sure the bug is with the games 'gating', it thinks I have not progressed far enough to be able to do that recipe, yet I have the ingredients due to running a custom game, with all blueprints unlocked. So it simply fails.

The 'gating' is that the game sees I have not finished amphibians yet, I am sure. But I have the ingredients, it should not fail.

[flint74]

Originally posted by Zewtastic:

Yes, I fully understand that. Have over 400 hours playing.

You understand it and yet you apparently still tried to create frog eggs in the DNA Manipulator, which is not the correct machine for that particular task. You can hopefully appreciate the confusion. :)

Originally posted by Zewtastic:

Putting those ingredients in, pushing the Research button gets me a message that says No Match Found, and it fails to work.

Once again, you need to use the Incubator machine to create frog eggs, not the DNA Manipulator.

Originally posted by Zewtastic:

I'm sure the bug is with the games 'gating', it thinks I have not progressed far enough to be able to do that recipe, yet I have the ingredients due to running a custom game, with all blueprints unlocked. So it simply fails.

The 'gating' is that the game sees I have not finished amphibians yet, I am sure. But I have the ingredients, it should not fail.

Check the recipe (left-hand) screen on the Incubator machine. What recipes are listed therein?

And yes, at the end of the amphibians stage all of the small frog ponds around the world will suddenly populate with frogs and frog eggs. The Generic frog egg recipe normally doesn't unlock in the Blueprints screen until 165t of animal biomass has been reached. These two events can, and usually do, happen at different times depending on a variety of factors.

Because it has a recipe in the Blueprints screen one would naturally expect the generic frog eggs to be included in the 'All Blueprints' option, however if the recipe is listed in the Incubator's recipe screen but the recipe will not work then yes, you're likely correct that there is a bug.

A simple test would be to wait until the generic frog egg recipe naturally unlocks at 165t of biomass and then test the recipe again in the Incubator machine - I'll guess if you're already near/in the amphibians stage then you probably won't be that far off achieving the required biomass to unlock the recipe.

An additional test would be to test another normally late-game animal recipe that hasn't unlocked in the Blueprints screen yet, such as the Frog Amedo eggs (600t Animal Biomass) or Frog Trajuu eggs (12kt Insect Biomass), if those recipes work in the Incubator while the generic frog egg recipe doesn't, then it points to a problem specifically with the generic frog egg recipe, otherwise if none of those recipes work until they've unlocked in the blueprints screen then you're correct in how the bug is occuring.

Either way both of these simple tests will help to more definitively confirm the bug, and will also be good additional data to provide to the devs using the in-game 'F8' bug reporting tool so they can try and fix the issue.

[Zewtastic]

I appreciate the response, but again, I know all of that, 400+ hours, many play-through's, but this is my first on the DLC.

I AM using the incubator. 100%.

Dang I wish it was easier to post screen shots.

So maybe this is a bigger bug because I just realized when I open the Incubator, right-side, not the left side with the recipes, the title at the top of the screen says "DNA Manipulator", NOT incubator.

If I turn on "Destruct" with my tool, it identifies it is an Incubator. But open it up, 3 slots for items, tittle at the top says "DNA Manipulator". So this is also a bug.

So aside from it NOT letting me make the frogs eggs and a couple other things, it also is miss-titled when it is open.

I have no problem making the Golden Butterfly Larva, other butterfly larva, just not those Generic Frog eggs. I have not tested it with ALL the larva recipes.

I'm 10% into Amphibians, I fully suspect those frog eggs unlock when I finish amphibians, but that shouldn't be, with ALL blueprints unlocked and having the correct ingredients I should be good to go.

I am able to make all other things with All blue prints unlocked as long as I have the ingredients, so this should not be blocked.

This problem may exist still in the 1.0 version as I ran into the same issue and bugged it a year ago. But after 400 hours, I'm done with the 1.0.

[flint74]

Okay, so just went through a few of my saves, and can confirm it looks like the devs copied the task screen from one machine (DNA Manipulator) and reused it in the other (Incubator) but they didn't change the screens title to match... hence all the confusion *facepalm*

If you're having no problem crafting other frog eggs and butterflies, etc. then that would definitely point to the problem being with the generic frog recipe and how it is (not being) handled by the 'All Blueprints' option when one would expect it to be.

As I mentioned in the previous reply, the generic frog eggs will appear in the frog ponds once the Amphibians stage hits 100%, however that isn't what unlocks the generic frog egg recipe in the blueprints screen, that instead requires 165t of Animal Biomass, and those two events (the teraformation stage and the Animal Biomass amount) can occur at very different times, but yes, I too would guess that the frog egg recipe will almost certainly start working in the Incubator once you achieve that target Biomass level.

Given all of this I'd definitely recommend using the in-game F8 bug reporting tool to send all this info to the devs, I'll imagine this should actually be a couple of pretty quick and easy fixes for them to make. :)

And yes, it's usually worth sticking with the latest version of the game, even with older saves, just because a lot of bugs and issues will obviously have been fixed over time.

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