Train Scam World 3

[Rocky]

Hi guys,

I’ve been playing DTG games for 5 years now.

I had a lot to say about TS: a lagging graphics engine, disastrous optimization, prices of almost all DLCs far too high given the real quality, totally incompetent support...

Then i saw the announcement of TSW 2020 with all the great promises that came with it and i was happy... Happy to know that what might have seemed to be the future of train simulation was finally there: a good graphic engine, a correct optimization (even if still perfectible), few DLCs but quality DLCs at relatively reasonable prices... He was very promising.

With TSW 2, DTG has left us optimistic during the presentation with some really interesting screenshots and video clips. In fact, there was back-pedaling and we ended up with a pale copy of TSW 2020 slightly improved with the implementation of some new features with little interest, all for the modest sum of 30 euros (funfact: today TSW 2020 is available for 40 euros or that at the release it was 30).

The announcement of TSW 3 is a great scam on the part of DTG towards the community. We end up with a perfect copy and paste of TSW 2, a game that is not even finished yet, and that will be sold at a high price of 50 euros. DTG has promised us great things for the future of TSW 2, but since its release 2 years ago, there has been only one real "Creators Club Beta" update, the rest being just simple performance fixes and minor adjustments/corrections (not to mention the DLCs highly expected by the community such as "LGV Méditerranée: Marseille - Avignon Route Add-On" and never updated since their release... *sigh*).

DTG, simple question: with all the money you’ve raised over the years, when do you plan to reinvest it properly without making disastrous decisions that harm your own image and put you in disagreement with your community?

Personally, i will not buy TSW 3 and I will no longer buy anything related to DTG until there is a real awareness of their unconsciousness (which can take years…).

Thank you DTG, thank you…

[theSeb]

I wonder which new "features" in TSW 3 will get cut at the last moment and never implemented. That's the one thing that DTG can be relied on year after year: over promise and under deliver.

[coenvijge]

'The announcement of TSW 3 is a great scam on the part of DTG towards the community. We end up with a perfect copy and paste of TSW 2,.....' (OP)

Have you seen it?

[RainJar]

I love how DTG has been slowly throwing the roadmap away bit by bit until they announced something that SHOULD have been included in the roadmap LONG AGO

[Antikcommando]

I totally agree with what you say and I won't buy anything from this studio again but your Nickname.....It's really a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ nickname....

[Rocky]

Originally posted by Antikcommando:

I totally agree with what you say and I won't buy anything from this studio again but your Nickname.....It's really a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ nickname....

Don't try to understand lol

[mojo_musica]

Originally posted by coenvijge:

'The announcement of TSW 3 is a great scam on the part of DTG towards the community. We end up with a perfect copy and paste of TSW 2,.....' (OP)

Have you seen it?

Yes, I watched the whole release video yesterday. There was nothing that could not have been incorporated in a new updated TSW2 release.
We are being asked FOR THE THIRD TIME to pay a not inconsiderable sum for the privilege of being beta testers for DTG games. We can all see that the next step will be a repeat of this move in about 2 to 3 years time, with yet another TSW4 released, with vast promises of wonderful this and amazing that, but still looking uncannily like the last (also amazing) version.
SCS make Euro Truck and American Truck and somehow have managed to continuously update and improve the base game engine, release free trucks and go back and re-work older maps to bring them up to the quality of the newest DLC maps, also for free.

DTG are entitled to take the p*ss out of gamers, but maybe the market will send them a message that enough is enough? There's cynical and there's DTG...

[theospap]

Originally posted by Trump:

Hi guys,

I’ve been playing DTG games for 5 years now.

I had a lot to say about TS: a lagging graphics engine, disastrous optimization, prices of almost all DLCs far too high given the real quality, totally incompetent support...

Then i saw the announcement of TSW 2020 with all the great promises that came with it and i was happy... Happy to know that what might have seemed to be the future of train simulation was finally there: a good graphic engine, a correct optimization (even if still perfectible), few DLCs but quality DLCs at relatively reasonable prices... He was very promising.

With TSW 2, DTG has left us optimistic during the presentation with some really interesting screenshots and video clips. In fact, there was back-pedaling and we ended up with a pale copy of TSW 2020 slightly improved with the implementation of some new features with little interest, all for the modest sum of 30 euros (funfact: today TSW 2020 is available for 40 euros or that at the release it was 30).

The announcement of TSW 3 is a great scam on the part of DTG towards the community. We end up with a perfect copy and paste of TSW 2, a game that is not even finished yet, and that will be sold at a high price of 50 euros. DTG has promised us great things for the future of TSW 2, but since its release 2 years ago, there has been only one real "Creators Club Beta" update, the rest being just simple performance fixes and minor adjustments/corrections (not to mention the DLCs highly expected by the community such as "LGV Méditerranée: Marseille - Avignon Route Add-On" and never updated since their release... *sigh*).

DTG, simple question: with all the money you’ve raised over the years, when do you plan to reinvest it properly without making disastrous decisions that harm your own image and put you in disagreement with your community?

Personally, i will not buy TSW 3 and I will no longer buy anything related to DTG until there is a real awareness of their unconsciousness (which can take years…).

Thank you DTG, thank you…

I totally agree with you, btw, i like your nickname too!

[Brutalist Ape]

For what it's worth, I bought TSW and quickly lost interest, going back to Train Simulator. Why? TSW was lacking so many features: no consist editor, no steam locomotives, no Quick Drive, and even the way the camera moves and the camera views available are just not as good. Also some of the routes are truly terrible in places. It looks good at first glance, but on closer inspection the scenery is not much better than Train Simulator, and in some cases it's actually worse than some of the better Train Simulator routes.

I picked up TSW2 heavily discounted on sale a while back. Played it a few times, it's pretty to look at, but again the same issue with the lack of basic features such as a consist editor, and the lack of ability to drive whatever you want, wherever you want, really counts against it.

I stick with Train Simulator because it's just a better game. The announcement of TSW3 caught me by surprise. "What?!" I thought. "Really? Another game? Are you serious? They only just released TSW2, and now another game?"

So yeah, I guess I'm not the target audience for this. I don't know who is. I'd rather they just fixed TSW 1 and 2, by adding back the missing features that Train Simulator has had all along (Quick Drive, ability to drive anything anywhere, consist editor...).

[Tallica]

DTG also screwed people over on Flight School, Flight Sim World, and Euro Fishing.

[Vinz Clortho]

They probably read these kinds of threads & laugh at us, that's the sort of people they are judging by how they do business.

[coenvijge]

Originally posted by cessna152:

with Train Sim World 3 coming would i lose Train Sim World 2? i hope not cause i have not finished every thing on it yet let alone buy another train simulator

No cessna, TSW3 a different game, not an update of TSW2. If you don't buy TSW3 there are no changes.
(If you buy TSW3 you can have them both installed.)

[theSeb]

Originally posted by coenvijge:

Originally posted by cessna152:

with Train Sim World 3 coming would i lose Train Sim World 2? i hope not cause i have not finished every thing on it yet let alone buy another train simulator

No cessna, TSW3 a different game, not an update of TSW2. If you don't buy TSW3 there are no changes.
(If you buy TSW3 you can have them both installed.)

No, let's be honest. TSW 3 is a minor version update of TSW 2, just like TSW 2 was a minor version update of TSW 2020. Whilst DTG are making it a separate executable, there really is little justification for it. I hope that DTG pays you for the shilling efforts though.

[K1ller1nsiKT]

I'm personally looking forward to TSW 3, 4 routes for $60 is a great price in comparison to a single

[coenvijge]

Originally posted by theSeb:

Originally posted by coenvijge:

No cessna, TSW3 a different game, not an update of TSW2. If you don't buy TSW3 there are no changes.
(If you buy TSW3 you can have them both installed.)

No, let's be honest. TSW 3 is a minor version update of TSW 2, just like TSW 2 was a minor version update of TSW 2020. Whilst DTG are making it a separate executable, there really is little justification for it. I hope that DTG pays you for the shilling efforts though.

I don't want to get lost in all the discussions about DTG and TSW3. Just answering the question posed by cessna. On Steam TSW 2020, TSW 2 and TSW 3 are / will be different games.

[mojo_musica]

Originally posted by coenvijge:

Originally posted by theSeb:

No, let's be honest. TSW 3 is a minor version update of TSW 2, just like TSW 2 was a minor version update of TSW 2020. Whilst DTG are making it a separate executable, there really is little justification for it. I hope that DTG pays you for the shilling efforts though.

I don't want to get lost in all the discussions about DTG and TSW3. Just answering the question posed by cessna. On Steam TSW 2020, TSW 2 and TSW 3 are / will be different games.

Not to burst your bubble, but TSW2 and TSW3 are essentially the same, identical game, running on the same (outdated) game engine from a third-party developer and using the same assets. Otherwise DLC and add-ons from TSW2 would not function in TSW3 and the game achievements would not transfer over as well. They could have just as easily released it as an update instead of paid content, go and see SCS and their truck games for an example of keeping your customers happy and buying your product, keeping it financially viable.
I appreciate you are a lone voice defending DTG doing this, but they are absolutely treating their customers with disdain and taking them and their wallets for a ride. 3 beta versions making every player paying beta testers and multiple promises broken over 4 years is shameful, no matter what you say.