Brake orvercharge on the DB363?

[Kreisleiter Muffin]

Got stuck on the new DLC with the tutorial for the 363 shunter when I had to couple to the wagons of logs. Were stuck at 1 BAR during the whole time no matter. There is no manual so is there a overcharge button?

[Ico_SK]

Yes,

looks to me also like some problem. If I good remember, I resolved this with cyclical every 20s click (I use keyboard) on Break to Release position, wait for a 3-5s and then leave key and all again. Not good solution but after about 15min??? all comes again to 0 and was ok. No other locos have this problem what I remember. Similar problem I have with BR204 if it has brake set f.ex. at 25% and leave it as is for f.ex. 40min. After that same problem and can't return brakes to normal state.

[🚂🚃Taschi🚃🚃]

I also had an issue with the brake cylinder pressure floating around 2.1bar in the 363 tutorial, but did not encounter the same problem playing a regular service with the 363. I suspect there is an issue with the tutorial.

[Ico_SK]

I had this issue at Chemical Zone scenario (don't remember which one of many with 363 related) when need couple vagons inside Chemical plant. After that couple, same and need do my mentioned procedure to continue play.

[DeltaFOX2k7]

The release position is usually not used, only the driving position is used to release the 363 train brakes.

Matt explains the loco brakes at 17min30sec and the train brakes at 19min17sec:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag0oGeHZMh8&t=973s

[🚂🚃Taschi🚃🚃]

Originally posted by DeltaFOX2k7:

The release position is usually not used, only the driving position is used to release the 363 train brakes.

Yes, and when the brake is in the release position, in the 363 tutorial the brake cylinder pressure remains somewhere between 1 and 2 bar even with the brake pipe at slightly above 5 bar. You failed to actually answer the question.

Also, the video does not seem to be available anymore.

[DeltaFOX2k7]

I do not think I have answered anything wrong here.

Originally posted by 🚂🚃Taschi🚃🚃:

Yes, and when the brake is in the release position

...then you get problems to release them again.

Your mistake is that you take the release position too literally. The release position is called the release position because it is used to overcharge the brakes in RL to blow out dirty, stuck or frozen valves. The release position is NOT used to release the brakes, only the driving position does that. The release position is NOT used in regular operation. Neither in TSW nor in RL.

Try it without the release position and use only the driving position and you will not have any problems with the brakes.

[🚂🚃Taschi🚃🚃]

Originally posted by DeltaFOX2k7:

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Your mistake is that you take the release position too literally.

Sorry, I got confused a bit with the English translations.

I *did* release the brakes by just putting them in the "Drive" position - and the brake cylinders on the engine remained at ~2bar anyway. This happened in the tutorial but the same mode of operation worked as intended on a regular service.

[DeltaFOX2k7]

Would you like me to stream the whole thing for you? Have now played the tutorial several times, both with loco brakes only and with train brakes only, without problems. The 363 works exactly with 5 bar pressure, but you mentioned that your pressure was more than 5 bar, which suggests that you may have accidentally come to the release position and overcharged the brakes. The small compressor of the 363 then gets big problems to release them again.

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[Ico_SK]

Look,

if your cylinder has +/- 2 bars you need release that pressure to have ability to move loco. Try that with normal situation if you can move loco, I don't think so. I think is bug inside scenario or some init of loco state. Yes, on another situations it's working ok, f.ex. with own scenario with planner prepared. Try add some wagons and play with them - uncouple and couple, check pressure and cylinder state.

[🚂🚃Taschi🚃🚃]

I think DeltaFOX2k7 has it right - it seems the 363 just reacts extremely poorly to any use of the overcharge ("Release") position on the brake. Just leaving it on "Driving" will get the brake line to 5.0 bar in no time and the brake cylinder pressure will go down to 0.0 bar.

... although, when I retried the tutorial just now, even deliberately using the overcharge ("Release") position and holding it for several seconds did not result in the brake cylinder pressure increasing or the brakes getting stuck, so this might not actually have been the cause of my problems, or DTG might have sneakily patched the problem away??? I'm confused.