Miss Fortune is best DPS

[Ice-Nine]

In the time it takes Pyke or Yasuo to set up their debuffs and combos and use their huge single-target damage abilities, Fortune can use Shredder on everyone 5-8 times for more damage. Just make sure to get the rune that gives you +10 Overcharge on crit and you can spam Shredder the whole fight.

Shredder is amazing because it has all the benefits of both AoE and single-target abilities with none of the downsides. But mostly because it is so quick and the recovery time is so short. There are many abilities that do more damage, but none that do it and recover so quickly. And once you get the Tier 3 ability perk that gives it 9 shots instead of 6, you're golden.

Shredder + Overcharge on Crit Rune + Ignite on Crit Rune = Win

[burner19]

Depends on the build but i dont agree with you, on heroic pyke melts boss fights in seconds where mf cant even get close to that. When you get bleeds and poisons to crit from pykes runes and stack it on all targets or one target you get insane damage. With one bossfight i stacked dots on a boss with level 1 super and the next round he lost 2/3 of hp bar with 1 tick from all the stacks. Try to kill tresh in 3 or 2 turns on heroic with mf on 26 level.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by burner19:

Depends on the build but i dont agree with you, on heroic pyke melts boss fights in seconds where mf cant even get close to that. When you get bleeds and poisons to crit from pykes runes and stack it on all targets or one target you get insane damage. With one bossfight i stacked dots on a boss with level 1 super and the next round he lost 2/3 of hp bar with 1 tick from all the stacks. Try to kill tresh in 3 or 2 turns on heroic with mf on 26 level.

That's the thing though... "turns" don't matter; time does. By the time Pyke gets 3 turns, MF has already had 9 or 10 turns and done more damage.

[burner19]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by burner19:

Depends on the build but i dont agree with you, on heroic pyke melts boss fights in seconds where mf cant even get close to that. When you get bleeds and poisons to crit from pykes runes and stack it on all targets or one target you get insane damage. With one bossfight i stacked dots on a boss with level 1 super and the next round he lost 2/3 of hp bar with 1 tick from all the stacks. Try to kill tresh in 3 or 2 turns on heroic with mf on 26 level.

That's the thing though... "turns" don't matter; time does. By the time Pyke gets 3 turns, MF has already had 9 or 10 turns and done more damage.

Tested both and stil mf comes short. You will not convince me that clicking 10 times on mf skill is faster than clicking on pyke skills 2 or 3 times in terms of time. Tried mf and still she is slower than pyke and deals much less damage. Tested all damage dealers on tresh with same level same items and runes specked for damage output. Mf is good also yasuo but pyke is just damage king. Maybe in low health trash mob killing on low difficulty levels but not on heroic.

[Vicious]

If you think she's slower, you're building her wrong.

Only runes you NEED:
10 overcharge on a crit
Ignite on crit

Abilities:
Strut: 1A 2B 3 is up tou you, 15% damage is obviously going to up her damage, I prefer 10 overcharge to everyone for utility.


Two TIme: 1B 2B 3A

Shredder: 1B 2B 3B

Open with Two Time, which sets ignite and gives at *least* 15 Overcharge and +20% crit. Then spam Shredder the rest of the fight for *free*.
Know what Shredder does at this point?

1. 5 stacks of Strut EVERY time, which is +10% crit and 35% haste
2. 9 hits means a *lot* of crits, which means both a lot of ignites and a lot of of overcharge (see the "10 overcharge on crit rune)
3. Oh would you look at that, her Mastery gives her 10% haste per 10 overcharge.

Granted, I don't know if there's a haste cap. There probably is. But I have literally seen her take MULTIPLE turns in a row without anyone else being able to do anything at all. She's absolutely busted.

Now, Im not arguining that Pyke does more single target damage, he most likely does. But *faster*?

edit: almost forgot, put the Squall enchant on her guns.

[Katak]

Originally posted by burner19:

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

That's the thing though... "turns" don't matter; time does. By the time Pyke gets 3 turns, MF has already had 9 or 10 turns and done more damage.

Tested both and stil mf comes short. You will not convince me that clicking 10 times on mf skill is faster than clicking on pyke skills 2 or 3 times in terms of time. Tried mf and still she is slower than pyke and deals much less damage. Tested all damage dealers on tresh with same level same items and runes specked for damage output. Mf is good also yasuo but pyke is just damage king. Maybe in low health trash mob killing on low difficulty levels but not on heroic.

To be honest I'm having the same experience as the OP on MF. She outdps Pyker even in boss fight. Granted I could be building him wrong.

I'm inclined to believe your claim (no /s), since you seem to be confident about it.

Could you perhaps post the build you're running with Pyker ? Also the rotation. So far he's the most tricky character to nail down mechanic wise.

Appreciate it.

Originally posted by Vicious:

edit: almost forgot, put the Squall enchant on her guns.

Yes, there are diminishing returns on haste, crit and evade. The game tells you so. For instance going from 45% to 46% would you would need a LOT more haste rating than 5% to 6%. Since the enchant is flat rating I believe it's best to put something else (maybe AP or another proc).

[burner19]

Originally posted by Katak:

Originally posted by burner19:

Tested both and stil mf comes short. You will not convince me that clicking 10 times on mf skill is faster than clicking on pyke skills 2 or 3 times in terms of time. Tried mf and still she is slower than pyke and deals much less damage. Tested all damage dealers on tresh with same level same items and runes specked for damage output. Mf is good also yasuo but pyke is just damage king. Maybe in low health trash mob killing on low difficulty levels but not on heroic.

To be honest I'm having the same experience as the OP on MF. She outdps Pyker even in boss fight. Granted I could be building him wrong.

I'm inclined to believe your claim (no /s), since you seem to be confident about it.

Could you perhaps post the build you're running with Pyker ? Also the rotation. So far he's the most tricky character to nail down mechanic wise.

Appreciate it.

Originally posted by Vicious:

edit: almost forgot, put the Squall enchant on her guns.

Yes, there are diminishing returns on haste, crit and evade. The game tells you so. For instance going from 45% to 46% would you would need a LOT more haste rating than 5% to 6%. Since the enchant is flat rating I believe it's best to put something else (maybe AP or another proc).

Will do when i finish maxing runes for all characters. The best comparison will be all 30 level with max runes and max gear so there will be comparison on peak of their abilities. Will test them all on last boss on heroic. Than report here and give you my build.

[Katak]

Originally posted by burner19:

Will do when i finish maxing runes for all characters. The best comparison will be all 30 level with max runes and max gear so there will be comparison on peak of their abilities. Will test them all on last boss on heroic. Than report here and give you my build.

To be honest I'm not looking for super min max end game stuff where it doesn't matter anymore, I need a more practical advice. I'm at around 50% progression and just looking for pointers on what I should focus on for Pyke.

Like, stealth over Executioner, slow build up vs quick actions. Crit vs raw damage.
Stuff like that, just realistic numbers and strategies :)

Cheers.

[burner19]

Crit and dot crit rune focus. You can easily go invis any round with his skill. I have every dot on crit, have 69 crit chance on stealth and 49 without. I stack 3 different dot type with every crit. Using that base attack to 3 hit crit and get 3 stacks of bleed/fire/poison dots can crit around 20k next round if all dots crit ( if you stack dots with 1 level super and all crit you propably will kill any boss in game next round. That skill that gets damage boost from stealth and hits 2 times from back and front hits 20k crits so 40k for one skill. I dont use names of the skills because i dont play with english translation and dont want to butcher them. Later will give you the specks.

[CheeseBall]

Braum stun + MF Shredder spam on speed lane = Boss perma stunned

[burner19]

Originally posted by Usaneko:

Braum stun + MF Shredder spam on speed lane = Boss perma stunned

Dont know how it works on lower difficulties but in heroic after first stun the enemies or bosses have stunn immunity after first stun so no it dosent work like that.

[Seizure Storm]

I've been using braum/illaoi/MF. I dont like Pyke against the trash mobs he seems too focused on single target.

[burner19]

Originally posted by Seizure Storm:

I've been using braum/illaoi/MF. I dont like Pyke against the trash mobs he seems too focused on single target.

you are right to about 60% of a game than on heroic you get normaly party of mobs with 40+ k hp even higher later and pyke melts them with dots. Mf just falls off in terms of raw damage. Dont get me wrong she is good but she needs to spam a lot of skills to bite that ammounts of hp. Got few fights with 100k hp enemies so far and im 71% into the game. When im max my all dps heroes i will do a comparison just to sate my curiosity. So far pyke just deals to much damage with dots. Dont know how its calculated but when you stack up dots on 100k+ enemy and 1 round dots hit for 50k from enemy hp bar damage than it is crazy damage in my opinion. The thing is that i dont even have 30 level legendary gear yet so i will go even higher than that.

[Capt Sarah]

Originally posted by burner19:

Maybe in low health trash mob killing on low difficulty levels but not on heroic.

Meanwhile, I did heroic without using Pyke at all and only used MF. Honestly though, Heroic isn't much diff from Normal after playing them both through, once you get items it's game over regardless of what champs you choose to use.

I heavily disagree with you when you say she falls off considering I had her dropping 40k mobs in 3 turns, which is arguably 1.5 turns considering she was taking twice as many as any other character. (Heroic mind you).

I built her wrong on normal and felt she was lacking, but on the second run I stopped focusing on things like make it rain and just went hard on shredder and haste as the others did. You get her to high crit, she ignites on crit and refunds all her charge. It's just endless.

I pulled Pyke out for a second go at Viego on Heroic to finish the bestiary, and despite going crit + bleeds with his legendary and proper equipment, he just did not perform as well for me.

That said, I'm semi biased as a MF main, and I have a feeling you have a level of bias in your decisions as well. At the end of the day they both perform well. The only issue I take with this so far is using heroic as a crutch to say "I'm right"

[burner19]

Originally posted by SarahTheRed:

Originally posted by burner19:

Maybe in low health trash mob killing on low difficulty levels but not on heroic.

Meanwhile, I did heroic without using Pyke at all and only used MF. Honestly though, Heroic isn't much diff from Normal after playing them both through, once you get items it's game over regardless of what champs you choose to use.

I heavily disagree with you when you say she falls off considering I had her dropping 40k mobs in 3 turns, which is arguably 1.5 turns considering she was taking twice as many as any other character. (Heroic mind you).

I built her wrong on normal and felt she was lacking, but on the second run I stopped focusing on things like make it rain and just went hard on shredder and haste as the others did. You get her to high crit, she ignites on crit and refunds all her charge. It's just endless.

I pulled Pyke out for a second go at Viego on Heroic to finish the bestiary, and despite going crit + bleeds with his legendary and proper equipment, he just did not perform as well for me.

That said, I'm semi biased as a MF main, and I have a feeling you have a level of bias in your decisions as well. At the end of the day they both perform well. The only issue I take with this so far is using heroic as a crutch to say "I'm right"

Not realy. I used heroic as a point of reference because i dont know hp pools or damage migitation on normal or hard. Different difficulties can have different perfomances.

[Cytotoxin]

I've been playing on heroic on switch. I just take both MF and Pyke plus Illaoi. Good with mob and boss.