SAS Zombie Assault 4. What weapon's are the best? ( In your own opinion or in that of others. )

[Meylin Libertas Messor]

Wanted to make this discussion to both ask more experienced people about their opinions, and give my own.

Personally, for a starter weapon that you'd CRAFT to get you through for a long time, I'd go with the RIA 20 DSC, because unlike the striker, it has more piercing capability and it works on wickers, it's cheap, but not weak.
I upgraded mine with Deadly, Pin Point, and Piercing and it still works very well at level 25 and I'm going to probably keep it until I'm able to do Nightmare Mode. then swap out for a, hopefully by then, fully upgraded RIA 40 with Adaptive, Deadly, and Pin Point. Hordes aren't a problem at all as 6 piercing + 578.8 damage per shot ( would be doing more with a maxed helmet ) + 7.2 shots per second ( How fast I can usually click ) mows them down rather quickly. Only problems are Chitinous Hide's / Shielders / stuff that are resistant to it that have a lot of health. But even then, weaker Chitinous Hide enemies still aren't an issue.

To be honest, out of all of the weapons. Not counting RED or BLACK variants / Exclusives or premium weapons, I consider these to be the best. The rest are crap. Note: These are not in order.

Pistols: RIA 313, Sabre, Poison Claw, Trailblazer, Ronson 45. Each for it's own reason.
Assault Rifles: RIA 20 DSC, CM 440 Titan, Gigavolt, Ronson 70, Mix Master, Sub-light COM 2.
Shotguns: HVM 004, Stripper, Shotlite Tempest.
Sniper Rifles: All but the RIA 50.
SMG's: CM307, CM 351 Sunflare, Ronson 50, Ronson 55.
LMG's: RIA 40, CM 505, Proposition, RIA T40, Supermarine.
Laser, Disc Thrower, and Flame Thrower are obvious since there's only one available.
Rocket Launchers: T-101 Feldhaubitz ( Pierce + Damage + Blast Radius = Horde Destroyer for earlier levels ), Gebergskanone, T-102 Jagdfaust, HIKS 3100.

Anyone got any opinions on my choices and how well do they stack up for later game with RED or BLACK variants?
Because to be honest: I checked the stats on each. Thought on them for a while and thought as to how they'd compare and add up, and that:
Late game, the Feldhaubitz, Sabre, RIA 313, RIA 40, CM307, CM 351 Sunflare, Laser and Flame Thrower + the HVM 004 would probably fall flat even with RED and / or BLACK variants if the gun / weapon has them.

Again, wanna know other player's opinions. Thanks.

[JamesPearson]

i went up to level 50 something a good while back using almost nothing but a 12**** mustang. not red or black, just a standard pistol i crafted at level 30. that thing is a beast.

[Coysonn]

if you can get a shredder or tempest, or hell, even both, those will last you a super long time. back on Kongregate i had a 5** Shredder and a 4** tempest. this early-game, mind you, but they're still very powerful. many of the early red items weren't performing as well as those two, at least for me, plus the jump in ammo cost is outrageous. if you want to start using red weapons, i suggest waiting for an ammo cache bounty to appear, bring your standard weapon alongside a red weapon, and kill zombies with your standard so you can get a bunch of premium ammo for your red weapon

edit: usually late-game i would see a lot of people using the HIKS 3100 and if they were lucky enough to win the tournament, the RIA Trident

[Xaveth]

Pistols = Trailblazer or Mustang for mobbing, Poison Claw for bossing. Even then, pistols should only be used for mobility than killing since their DPS is crap even with right augments.

SMG = Ronson 55.

Assault Rifles = Sub-Light COM2 for mobbing, Hard Thorn for bossing. CM Gigavolt may also be viable for mobbing with the four correct augments (deadly, overclocked, adaptive, and piercing) otherwise it's a trash weapon and causes lag for everyone.

Shotguns = Shotlite Tempest or Stripper or bossing. 1887 Shockfield for mobbing and bossing.

LMG = Proposition for heavies investing on 25 heavy gear skill or for both mobbing and bossing (you'll need another gun with 0% movement speed penalty so you can move normally). Otherwise, use Supermarine.

Sniper Rifles = Hornet for mobbing and bossing. HIKS S300 for bossing.

Rocket Launchers = T-101 Feldhaubitz for assault with a specific glass cannon build. Otherwise, use T-102 Jagdfaust or Luftplatzen for mobbing. HIKS 3100 for heavies with 25 heavy gear skill only. Also, note that Rocket Launchers (aside from arcing weapons) are great weapons against Shielders.

Championship = Ria Trident > everything else.

Flamethrowers, Disc Throwers, and Lasers have one free weapon in their category so it's self-explanatory.

[Meylin Libertas Messor]

Originally posted by Xaveth:

Pistols = Trailblazer or Mustang for mobbing, Poison Claw for bossing. Even then, pistols should only be used for mobility than killing since their DPS is crap even with right augments.

SMG = Ronson 55.

Assault Rifles = Sub-Light COM2 for mobbing, Hard Thorn for bossing. CM Gigavolt may also be viable for mobbing with the four correct augments (deadly, overclocked, adaptive, and piercing) otherwise it's a trash weapon and causes lag for everyone.

Shotguns = Shotlite Tempest or Stripper or bossing. 1887 Shockfield for mobbing and bossing.

LMG = Proposition for heavies investing on 25 heavy gear skill or for both mobbing and bossing (you'll need another gun with 0% movement speed penalty so you can move normally). Otherwise, use Supermarine.

Sniper Rifles = Hornet for mobbing and bossing. HIKS S300 for bossing.

Rocket Launchers = T-101 Feldhaubitz for assault with a specific glass cannon build. Otherwise, use T-102 Jagdfaust or Luftplatzen for mobbing. HIKS 3100 for heavies with 25 heavy gear skill only. Also, note that Rocket Launchers (aside from arcing weapons) are great weapons against Shielders.

Championship = Ria Trident > everything else.

Flamethrowers, Disc Throwers, and Lasers have one free weapon in their category so it's self-explanatory.

Nice to hear another's opinion. I'd probably prefer the Ronson 45 for pistol's due to it's higher damage and mag size with higher pierce. As, well, the Mustang only holds TWO shots. The TrailBlazer only holds 6, and the poison claw is better at single target damage than the Ronson would be.

Though, you need to remember: This is about non RED or BLACK weapons. I know what are the BEST of them. But I'm talking about what are SOME of the 'BEST'. Not the ONLY best.

Also, how in the flying ♥♥♥♥ is the hardthorn good for bossing? 510 damage / whatever it is split across 5 projectiles? Don't think that's such a good idea unless it is a LOT more poweful than I realize.

Shotgun wise? The Shockfield from what I see sucks. 5 shots, and that's it? I'll keep the Tempest thank you.

Jupiter is strong with the electricity, I'd say possibly comparable to the Hornet. It has it's own niche and I do admit it is possibly weaker. Otherwise: You're correct.

LMG wise: Proposition is one hell of a heavy gun, the RIA 40 / T40 / CM 505 are good guns but yeah the super marine allows you to keep your movement speed.

I have to disagree with you on the rocket launchers. The Gebergskanone has worked well for me so far even though I know the Jadgfaust is better. And the RIA Trident is better than everything else eh?

On the Part of BLACK / Exclusive weapons. Forget about the HIKS M1000? I've seen a medic, yes, a MEDIC, run full speed with that gun and shred EVERYTHING in their path.

Flamethrowers, Disc Throwers, and Lasers, yeah, pretty much.

[papabear]

Could write a paragraph but seeing as someone already shared their opinion I'll just say something about champ guns, RIA is an overall good mobbing / bossing and healing weapon (best mobbing gun in most situations, hiks 3100 can outkill if certain conditions are met though). For bossing you definitely want an Mk, if you prefer trident still that's fine but it deals less damage and therefore is the 2nd best bossing weapon, also you'd want bio / cap on it which isn't ideal for bossing.
I don't really have an opinion on furie, I dislike it cause it lags the game and doesn't get buffs from damage skills which every build uses.

[papabear]

This ofc is only true in events, I don't really compare weapons in nightmare since it's map based and has a low difficulty.

[Xaveth]

Originally posted by Meylin Libertas Messor:

Nice to hear another's opinion. I'd probably prefer the Ronson 45 for pistol's due to it's higher damage and mag size with higher pierce. As, well, the Mustang only holds TWO shots. The TrailBlazer only holds 6, and the poison claw is better at single target damage than the Ronson would be.

Though, you need to remember: This is about non RED or BLACK weapons. I know what are the BEST of them. But I'm talking about what are SOME of the 'BEST'. Not the ONLY best.

Also, how in the flying ♥♥♥♥ is the hardthorn good for bossing? 510 damage / whatever it is split across 5 projectiles? Don't think that's such a good idea unless it is a LOT more poweful than I realize.

Shotgun wise? The Shockfield from what I see sucks. 5 shots, and that's it? I'll keep the Tempest thank you.

Jupiter is strong with the electricity, I'd say possibly comparable to the Hornet. It has it's own niche and I do admit it is possibly weaker. Otherwise: You're correct.

LMG wise: Proposition is one hell of a heavy gun, the RIA 40 / T40 / CM 505 are good guns but yeah the super marine allows you to keep your movement speed.

I have to disagree with you on the rocket launchers. The Gebergskanone has worked well for me so far even though I know the Jadgfaust is better. And the RIA Trident is better than everything else eh?

On the Part of BLACK / Exclusive weapons. Forget about the HIKS M1000? I've seen a medic, yes, a MEDIC, run full speed with that gun and shred EVERYTHING in their path.

Flamethrowers, Disc Throwers, and Lasers, yeah, pretty much.

Use Titan IDS 01 with level 10 nimble for weapons with small clip size. The very high reload speed is also a great choice all-round. It's still worth using even if you can't craft the standard version yet, pre-augged or not while at a lower level.

I just thought of Hard Thorn being the equivalent of Shotlite Tempest, albeit much weaker. But after seeing the calculations, I was right, aaand Sublight having higher single DPS too! So yeah, just forget what I said about that. My bad. But it's still a viable bossing weapon until you find better alternatives.

The 1887 Shockfield is a great, general-purpose weapon due to no movement speed penalty, high damage, and fast reload time that you can further boost with the gloves I mentioned and other increased reload speed sources. It's still good for me even if it holds 5 rounds, which becomes 10 rounds later once you finish the [RED] shotguns collection.

For RIA Trident, I was referring to which championship weapon to get. Also, RIA Trident or M1000 -- it doesn't matter. Both are overpowered (as it should be obviously), but despite how incredibly heavy M1000 is. I think Trident is still a better choice for assault and medic, and M1000 for heavy I guess.

I've only seen a handful of legit players using the Trident, but not M1000 back when I played this on Kongregate many years ago. But let's not forget that there some [BLACK] weapons that can compete their killing power :)

[chaoticbalrog]

I see that this is also not counting premium weapons, which to be fair are largely useless except for leveling up masteries I think. If Premium weapons were counted, the best ones would be the HIKS 888 CAW, an energy sniper rifle that can shoot through walls and is good for shooting mobs, and the Zerfallen, an energy rocket launcher that does obscene damage through an orb of energy. It absolutely destroys mobs and can even devastate bosses with its damage output.

[Xaveth]

Originally posted by chaoticbalrog:

I see that this is also not counting premium weapons, which to be fair are largely useless except for leveling up masteries I think. If Premium weapons were counted, the best ones would be the HIKS 888 CAW, an energy sniper rifle that can shoot through walls and is good for shooting mobs, and the Zerfallen, an energy rocket launcher that does obscene damage through an orb of energy. It absolutely destroys mobs and can even devastate bosses with its damage output.

I own the HIKS 888 CAW and it's a fun, gimmicky weapon. But it's not suited for racking up kills quickly due to its average DPS (if some people are into that competing spirit) and I had a hard time shooting worms with it. While it can wallbang, it can't hit certain obstacles when needed like cash registers, secret shelf/doors/barricades, etc.

I believe the other good premium weapons to consider are the Ronson 5x5 and CM Proton Arc. The Ronson 5x5 is only used for leveling before being able to do Nightmare. While CM Proton Arc is one of the best bossing weapons in the game (even far superior than Torment or Zerfallen's single DPS-wise).

There's also CM 000 Kelvin if one wants a support weapon as constantly freezing zombies without relying on your x3 Cyro Turrets is invaluable for Nightmare to keep them at bay and makes kiting much easier.

[Meylin Libertas Messor]

Originally posted by Xaveth:

Originally posted by chaoticbalrog:

I see that this is also not counting premium weapons, which to be fair are largely useless except for leveling up masteries I think. If Premium weapons were counted, the best ones would be the HIKS 888 CAW, an energy sniper rifle that can shoot through walls and is good for shooting mobs, and the Zerfallen, an energy rocket launcher that does obscene damage through an orb of energy. It absolutely destroys mobs and can even devastate bosses with its damage output.

I own the HIKS 888 CAW and it's a fun, gimmicky weapon. But it's not suited for racking up kills quickly due to its average DPS (if some people are into that competing spirit) and I had a hard time shooting worms with it. While it can wallbang, it can't hit certain obstacles when needed like cash registers, secret shelf/doors/barricades, etc.

I believe the other good premium weapons to consider are the Ronson 5x5 and CM Proton Arc. The Ronson 5x5 is only used for leveling before being able to do Nightmare. While CM Proton Arc is one of the best bossing weapons in the game (even far superior than Torment or Zerfallen's single DPS-wise).

There's also CM 000 Kelvin if one wants a support weapon as constantly freezing zombies without relying on your x3 Cyro Turrets is invaluable for Nightmare to keep them at bay and makes kiting much easier.

Eh, I disagree on your point about the Ronson 5x5, and to be honest, I've seen someone f*cking SHRED Nightmare enemies solo in but a blink with a few weapons. Think it was a medic that had the HIKS M1000. But other guns also work VERY well. You'd just have to know the RIGHT gun to use. But that CM Proton Arc? Holy mother of F*CK that thing has a Higher DPS than the damn HIKS M1000 if upgraded right. But the HIKS M1000 works on EVERYTHING. If the Proton Arc has an Annoying 'Lock on' type of thing and ONLY locks onto the closest thing, then that's really annoying and I'd pick the M1000 over it.

The Zerfallen, I can see being very useful for hordes of regular enemies. Otherwise... not quite.

Though, to be honest? A BLACK Mixmaster could easily kick the CM 000 Kelvin's DPS outta the water. IN fact, that Kelvin gun? It's DPS is TERRIBLE for a level 100 weapon. The damn Sublight COM2 REGULAR has more DPS than it. But a BLACK Mixmaster when maxed? Yeah, try 43200 DPS for 9 whole seconds. That kicks the Kelvin outta the damn water.
I mean F*CK the REGULAR 10*** Mix master is almost the same as a 10*** Kelvin! At 12000 DPS! The Kelvin only has 13200 DPS. Sheesh you're not as knowledgable as you seem to think. Do the math first. Like I did.

[papabear]

Originally posted by Meylin Libertas Messor:

Originally posted by Xaveth:

I own the HIKS 888 CAW and it's a fun, gimmicky weapon. But it's not suited for racking up kills quickly due to its average DPS (if some people are into that competing spirit) and I had a hard time shooting worms with it. While it can wallbang, it can't hit certain obstacles when needed like cash registers, secret shelf/doors/barricades, etc.

I believe the other good premium weapons to consider are the Ronson 5x5 and CM Proton Arc. The Ronson 5x5 is only used for leveling before being able to do Nightmare. While CM Proton Arc is one of the best bossing weapons in the game (even far superior than Torment or Zerfallen's single DPS-wise).

There's also CM 000 Kelvin if one wants a support weapon as constantly freezing zombies without relying on your x3 Cyro Turrets is invaluable for Nightmare to keep them at bay and makes kiting much easier.

Eh, I disagree on your point about the Ronson 5x5, and to be honest, I've seen someone f*cking SHRED Nightmare enemies solo in but a blink with a few weapons. Think it was a medic that had the HIKS M1000. But other guns also work VERY well. You'd just have to know the RIGHT gun to use. But that CM Proton Arc? Holy mother of F*CK that thing has a Higher DPS than the damn HIKS M1000 if upgraded right. But the HIKS M1000 works on EVERYTHING. If the Proton Arc has an Annoying 'Lock on' type of thing and ONLY locks onto the closest thing, then that's really annoying and I'd pick the M1000 over it.

The Zerfallen, I can see being very useful for hordes of regular enemies. Otherwise... not quite.

Though, to be honest? A BLACK Mixmaster could easily kick the CM 000 Kelvin's DPS outta the water. IN fact, that Kelvin gun? It's DPS is TERRIBLE for a level 100 weapon. The damn Sublight COM2 REGULAR has more DPS than it. But a BLACK Mixmaster when maxed? Yeah, try 43200 DPS for 9 whole seconds. That kicks the Kelvin outta the damn water.
I mean F*CK the REGULAR 10*** Mix master is almost the same as a 10*** Kelvin! At 12000 DPS! The Kelvin only has 13200 DPS. Sheesh you're not as knowledgable as you seem to think. Do the math first. Like I did.

proton arc does not have a higher dps than m1000, and in almost every end game situation it falls behind m1000 by a km

[Meylin Libertas Messor]

Originally posted by Steelbear:

Originally posted by Meylin Libertas Messor:

Eh, I disagree on your point about the Ronson 5x5, and to be honest, I've seen someone f*cking SHRED Nightmare enemies solo in but a blink with a few weapons. Think it was a medic that had the HIKS M1000. But other guns also work VERY well. You'd just have to know the RIGHT gun to use. But that CM Proton Arc? Holy mother of F*CK that thing has a Higher DPS than the damn HIKS M1000 if upgraded right. But the HIKS M1000 works on EVERYTHING. If the Proton Arc has an Annoying 'Lock on' type of thing and ONLY locks onto the closest thing, then that's really annoying and I'd pick the M1000 over it.

The Zerfallen, I can see being very useful for hordes of regular enemies. Otherwise... not quite.

Though, to be honest? A BLACK Mixmaster could easily kick the CM 000 Kelvin's DPS outta the water. IN fact, that Kelvin gun? It's DPS is TERRIBLE for a level 100 weapon. The damn Sublight COM2 REGULAR has more DPS than it. But a BLACK Mixmaster when maxed? Yeah, try 43200 DPS for 9 whole seconds. That kicks the Kelvin outta the damn water.
I mean F*CK the REGULAR 10*** Mix master is almost the same as a 10*** Kelvin! At 12000 DPS! The Kelvin only has 13200 DPS. Sheesh you're not as knowledgable as you seem to think. Do the math first. Like I did.

proton arc does not have a higher dps than m1000, and in almost every end game situation it falls behind m1000 by a km

You're actually wrong, the proton arc DOES have higher DPS, look at the stats and do the math. Base stats = 900 X 30 = 27000 Vs 250 X 100 = 25000. Proton is Higher. Moron.

( Yes, you really are an idiot, because you didn't even look at the stats and do the math before spouting your, quite frankly, uneducated / unlearned opinion, when the knowledge was RIGHT f*cking there. )

But I do have to say that the M1000 DOES have piercing, which the Proton Arc does not. And the Arc only targets 1 enemy at a time. Have to say that I would pick the M1000 over the Arc due to it having piercing and all that, but, hey, opinions.

[Dradon]

Shockfield is a incredibly good gun.