The Last Science - Weapon Data

[Aeshmah]

I was curious and decided to try out all of the weapons to see which one would come out on top of the pile. You can have a look a for yourself here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14etl--JvIc3hKWhQ9MzqBI-Hrin-_m3jMDrvYICWlHE/edit?usp=sharing

The sheet isn't completely done yet, as I haven't tested out each weapon's special (which can have drastic effects on a weapon's performance), but this should give you a rough idea how each weapon will perform.

If you have any questions and/or requests let me know!

[almurat89]

The Rift of Blood is the best weapon in the game. Also, it's charged attack deals more damage, than ethereal sword (but it doesn't stun enemies so well).

[Aeshmah]

...I totally forgot charged attacks even existed in the game...xD
Will try and look into them when I can!

[(^_^)]

Thanks for testing and sharing!

One thing to consider, though, is that the stat spread significantly favours weapons that scale with multiple stats. With this setup, Ethereal Greatblade has 50 points worth of scaling stats and Rift of Blood has 150.

[paladin181]

Originally posted by Kek W. Bush:

Thanks for testing and sharing!

One thing to consider, though, is that the stat spread significantly favours weapons that scale with multiple stats. With this setup, Ethereal Greatblade has 50 points worth of scaling stats and Rift of Blood has 150.

Does S scaling not give far better scaling than B or C?

[Asael]

Originally posted by paladin181:

Does S scaling not give far better scaling than B or C?

On it's own in isolation, yes. But you have to give consideration that a combined total of other stat scales outweigh a lone single S scaling. Simple way to do this would be to just count the total number of possible scaling letter grades (6) and assign the count in the respective order of highest to lowest.

So in essence, S = 6 (as S is the highest) A = 5 B = 4 C = 3 D = 2 E = 1

Nightfall S = 6

Blunderblade D + B = 6

Illygarth Boreal Blade C + C + B = 10

Skullcleaver A = 5

Holy Winged Axe A + D = 7

Stormchaser Macewhip A + C = 8

Nittide's Rout A + D = 7

Ethereal Great Blade S = 6

Spinal Chain Blade C + A = 8

Severance Reaper C + B = 7

Devourer of the Betrayed D + S = 8

Rift of Blood C + B + D = 9

Assuming all weapons are at their highest upgrade this would be the point distribution with Illygarth Boreal Blade having the highest total with just one point of margin above Rift of Blood.

But the above is merely only going by a statweight total and doesn't take latent effects into consideration. In this case, the bleed effect Rift has for example. Once bleed procs each subsequent hit from the player does additional damage.

[almurat89]

Well, I just speced everything at 40 except health, I thought it would help to explore weapons more effectivly. Now I'm not sure that it was a right desition

[Aeshmah]

Originally posted by Kek W. Bush:

Thanks for testing and sharing!

One thing to consider, though, is that the stat spread significantly favours weapons that scale with multiple stats. With this setup, Ethereal Greatblade has 50 points worth of scaling stats and Rift of Blood has 150.

You know? That totally slipped my mind. But you're right, this DOES skew the testing towards weapon with multiple scalings.
Like Asael pointed out, though, the effect might not be *as* drastic as one might think at first glance, but it still makes for a skewed statistic.

Hmm. Have to go and think how to better tackle this.

[(^_^)]

Originally posted by paladin181:

Originally posted by Kek W. Bush:

Thanks for testing and sharing!

One thing to consider, though, is that the stat spread significantly favours weapons that scale with multiple stats. With this setup, Ethereal Greatblade has 50 points worth of scaling stats and Rift of Blood has 150.

Does S scaling not give far better scaling than B or C?

Of course, but you'll have the relevant stats as tested by level 176 for Rift of Blood and 76 for Ethereal Greatblade. that's not a like for like comparison.

[(^_^)]

Originally posted by Aeshmah:

Originally posted by Kek W. Bush:

Thanks for testing and sharing!

One thing to consider, though, is that the stat spread significantly favours weapons that scale with multiple stats. With this setup, Ethereal Greatblade has 50 points worth of scaling stats and Rift of Blood has 150.

You know? That totally slipped my mind. But you're right, this DOES skew the testing towards weapon with multiple scalings.
Like Asael pointed out, though, the effect might not be *as* drastic as one might think at first glance, but it still makes for a skewed statistic.

Hmm. Have to go and think how to better tackle this.

If there's save editors or cheat engine tables out for this game, you could set your character to, say, level 100 and optimise the stats (roughly) for each weapon. That should give results that are closer to what players can expect in the late game.

[Asael]

Originally posted by Aeshmah:

the effect might not be *as* drastic

That's the thing though, there is no might to it. It straight up isn't lol. Too many other variable at play. Element effects like bleed were just one aspect. Attack speed is another for example.

Despite the listing above for Boreal Blade having the highest potential weapons like Ethereal Great Blade has far better damage output even though it's short four whole points off from Boreal Blade. Yet weapons like Rift of Blood has significantly better TTK. Can't remember the name of the mob, but it was one of the beefier ones in the last area. Ethereal could kill it in 8 hits (no crit procs) where Rift would also kill in 8 hits (also no procs). Yet despite this Rift was killing in about 4.5 to 5 seconds where Ethereal was taking about 8. Big difference.

Bottom line, you can't just go by the stat scalings on the weapons. The statweight attributed to the scaling grades just isn't... weighty enough to be of any major importance.

[Aeshmah]

It depends on what you're looking for, really. While the stat scalings might be the smallest increase in both DPS and TTK, they still skew the provided testing results towards certain weapons, thus "falsifying" the data and that *should* be accounted for.

You're right that it might not impact TTK, though. It all depends on if the scaling gives you enough of a boost to save one hit (or more) on an enemy or not. Because if you hit that breakpoint, it *would* drastically affect TTK, but that is also not what I was trying to provide. :D

Same goes for elemental statuses and resistances. Those *should* be accounted for, yet it's hard to incorporate them into an easily verifiable model, as we simply have no hard data on any of them (unless the devs would provide those to us).

[ENTER CHADREN]

Originally posted by Asael:

Originally posted by Aeshmah:

the effect might not be *as* drastic

That's the thing though, there is no might to it. It straight up isn't lol. Too many other variable at play. Element effects like bleed were just one aspect. Attack speed is another for example.

Despite the listing above for Boreal Blade having the highest potential weapons like Ethereal Great Blade has far better damage output even though it's short four whole points off from Boreal Blade. Yet weapons like Rift of Blood has significantly better TTK. Can't remember the name of the mob, but it was one of the beefier ones in the last area. Ethereal could kill it in 8 hits (no crit procs) where Rift would also kill in 8 hits (also no procs). Yet despite this Rift was killing in about 4.5 to 5 seconds where Ethereal was taking about 8. Big difference.

Bottom line, you can't just go by the stat scalings on the weapons. The statweight attributed to the scaling grades just isn't... weighty enough to be of any major importance.

I too love the Rift of Blood and it is the best weapon IG but the great blade is just busted, not sure if there is a patch already but we have iframe effects when using the special attack and also the range is greater the Katana. The great blade has a vertical element to it where the second strike will hit enemies above standing on a platform. This could be so good for early and midgame where the player uses the great blade as a stepping stone to acquire the Rift of Blood, or the destroyer