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.... Say 82% positive reviews out of 2376 user reviews ....
What is it then if its not a good (arcade) racing game ??
i'm asking myself too if its worth getting, but if i get it i would want to buy the ultimate stunt edition to get as much content as possible.. still i hate that the pass no 3 is not included, thats a big bummer. if it was included i would have purchased it without thinking too much -.-
looks like the monetization is extremely aggressive and thats like the one thing i hate over anything else..
apart from that quick questions:
1. if you get the ultimate stunt edition you get 2 more environments to race in and mini campaigns right ?? mini campaigns with 5 new tracks and how many events ??
also can you play those tracks in custom races (quick races) or only in the campaign. what about the tracks from the main game, i expect to be able to play them in quick races too and is it a good method to level the battle pass ??
2. how's the online mode, are there still ppl playing or is it compeltely dead and deserted ??
also are there any other things worthwhile in this game. i read you cant play with ai on your built tracks which is another big bummer.. it would be nice if the devs add this sometime soon, but i kinda doubt it because from my research the devs have abandoned hte game completely and all they do is release new dlcs instead of fixing anything ??
It IS an amazing racer.
But the og's question is kind of a loaded question because the only people (or MOST of them since I'm not one of them) who write in the discussions for this game are a bunch of whiners who complain about literally EVERYTHING they don't like about the game (and they don't seem to like much) and never about what the game does right.
I mean, Steam gives you tools to see if the general public likes the game or not. So just use them.
2376 people have reviewed this game at this point and 82% of them think it deserves an upvote. So that should tell you something right ?
Because, when you come to the discussions to ask a question like that, there's only a few people who are going to answer you and they're all going to tell you that the game sucks, either because THEY suck at the driving, or because it's not what they want it to be and/or because they don't understand a single thing about Milestone's DLC policies for this game.
Personally, I think this game is amazing and I will defend it tooth and nail because I love it.
I've played this game since its launch in early October of last year, on XboxOne, for about 300 hours at this point.
At its core, this is a regular kart racer minus the annoying weapons, just pure driving.
You have a boost gauge you refill by driting (mostly), a brake, a gas pedal and YOUR DRIVING SKILLS. And that's pretty much it. Very simple. And HIGHLY enjoyable.
Don't let the "kart racer" moniker fool you though.
This game is not as simple as that. And that's where a lot of people lose it I think.
Because there is a DEFINITE learning curve to how the drifting and the driving physics in general handle. And it is NOT instant. It takes time and practice to refine.
This is not, by any means, a simulation of any kind mind you. But it is not just another simple basic kart racer either. This game is something in between and I think this learning curve is what makes this game so enjoyable (at least for me), because, at 1st the game is hard and confusing but when it clicks, this game is SO MUCH FUN !
Also, all the cars feel different to some extent or manner so there is something for everyone and for all ways of driving, and, the cars in themsleves are a leraning curve as well since they behave so differently.
Now, about Milestone's DLC policies. I think there is a HUGE misunderstanding about them and especially about the lack of people informing themselves to make (or not make) a "smart" purchase.
Milestone's policy about DLC is actually quite simple.
When they launched the game, they launched 2 different physical editions and two different digital editions. The most complete one (the Ultimate edition, digital only) came with a roadmap for the 1st year of the game, that Milestone made available to the general public one month ahead of release (in early september 2021). This roadmap presented EVERYTHING that Milestone was going to put out for DLC content for the 1st year of the game's lifetime with dates, precise content and stuff. It also made it clear, from day one minus one month, that the Racing Seasons and the 3rd Season Pass would be PAID ON TOP of the Ultimate Edition of the game. The information has been out there this whole time for everyone to see (on the official site of the game, here in Steam in the updates thread and other places...).
Now, the only thing Milestone has done so far, this whole time, is STICK TO THAT ORIGINAL ROADMAP to unravel all the DLC content that was DUE to the people who paid and bought the Ultimate Edition of the game.
Since there naturally has been people who didn't care for the Ultimate edition and only bought the base game, Milestone has made this whole DLC content available on a single item basis to be purchasable by the people who only bought the base game, if they wanted to buy some DLC content. Like a car here and there etc... or if they changed their minds and eventually wanted to buy the Season Passes.
That's ALL they 've done. And this whole time, people have been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on Milestone and accusing them of flooding steam with DLC content that no one was asking and being a cash-grab.
Like hello ? This content is DUE to the people who bought the Ultimate edition of the game. How hard is that to understand ?
The DLC content is not better than the base game btw. It's not P2W. It's just MORE stuff for the people who want to have more stuff in the game. That's it.
You can buy the base game and who will be absolutely fine.
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Now, as regards to your questions (yeah, I know, I'm ready an essay here but I started answering you in detail so I might as well continue...).
"1. if you get the ultimate stunt edition you get 2 more environments to race in and mini campaigns right ?? mini campaigns with 5 new tracks and how many events ??"
Yes you do. You get the batcave and a stop-motion studio. They are mini-campaign with 5 new tracks and 10 new events (all 5 tracks as races and time trials).
"also can you play those tracks in custom races (quick races) or only in the campaign. what about the tracks from the main game, i expect to be able to play them in quick races too and is it a good method to level the battle pass ??"
I'm not 100% but I'm PRETTY sure you can play ALL THE OFFLINE content as time trials and quick races. And the offline quick races do work towards the grind for Racing Seasons (if you don't feel like playing online or can't).
"2. how's the online mode, are there still ppl playing or is it compeltely dead and deserted ??"
Tricky question for me here since I don't play the game on Steam.
If you refer to the Steam discussions, people say the game is dead online on Steam.
I've never had a single instance when I couldn't find a lobby on Xbox and it seems the player base is even bigger for Playstation systems.
So I don't really know....
"also are there any other things worthwhile in this game. i read you cant play with ai on your built tracks which is another big bummer.."
No, you can't play with AI on custom tracks indeed. Nor can you download other people's custom tracks to play offline.
"it would be nice if the devs add this sometime soon, but i kinda doubt it because from my research the devs have abandoned hte game completely and all they do is release new dlcs instead of fixing anything ??"
I don't think they have abandoned anything.
What they've been doing is working on and releasing the DLC content that was due to the Ultimate owners.
WHENEVER there's been holes in the roadmap so far, Milestone has been working on fixing the game . And they HAVE. They revamped the whole reward system for online races, they fixed the issue with AFK players, they tweaked a bunch of things over time, they implemented ultra-wide support that people were CONSTANTLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about, etc....
You want to keep in mind that many of the tech issues mentioned by people are only happening to the PC version of the game. So, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER PC VERSIONS OF GAMES, some of those issues are only due to the platform they are played on/made for...
A lot of people are asking for a lot of changes in the game and I do hope that Milestone will hear and implement some of that once the 1st year of DLC content is done.
I think switching the game to F2P would be amazing for the game's future. I think cross-platform would be a big plus. I wouldn't mind getting championships and stuff like that.
I mean, I LOVE the game and I think it's amazing but I'm not saying it's perfect either.
The problem these days is that everybody thinks they are entitled to their vision of what any specific game should be and that their vision is better than everybody else's and that making changes to a game is as simple as a push of a button. That's not how it works though....
Oh, and before people start calling me names or stuff like that (because when you "defend" the game around here, you're being seen as a sellout or a fanboy - this has happened before), NO, I don't work and/or are related in ANY WAY to Milestone. I'm just an average user of the game, like everybody else. The only difference being that I love the game and can see beyond Mileston's policies which, at the end of the day, whether you like them or not, you have the full ability to take them or leave them.
Alright, it's time for me to end this beast of a post.
I hope I have given you guys some insight to the game and answered your questions.
Once again, I don't think that 82% out of 2376 people have been bought by Milestone to provide a positive review for the game so, that, in itself should answer your question ;-)
First i want to say, thanks for that insanely long comment !! Must be one of the longest I've ever read but i read every word and i agree with you on nearly everything. Also i can see how you answered it truthfully due to my own research so i'm basically quoting this part to highlight it.
You are absolutely right in what you wrote above, they released all that bundled dlc content piece by piece and thats what makes it look like theres insane amounts of dlcs, but infact those are just the content of both volume passes (or whatever they are called here, forgot sry, but you know what i mean and i can't check now without loosing progress in my answer and having to write it again :P).
That said, i personally still think the dlcs, are overpriced and the volume pass 3 should be part of the ultimate stunt edition. It would make sense in so many ways, like the really expensive ultimate stunt edition (hey its 90€, thats like one of the most expensive games ever made, only the microsoft flight simulator with 120€ for the premium deluxe edition is more expensive but i bought it and didn't regret it because i've already played for over 250 hours. that said, i cant imagine playing hot wheels even for over 50 hours because it doesnt look like theres enough unique content to do so, but i might be wrong ofc).
If they would have included the volume pass 3 into the stunt edition it would have contained the entire first year of content, this would have felt so much better and selling that ultimate stunt edition would have most likely been much easier. that volume pass 3 is extremely expensive for what it offers. 30€ for 10 races, 5 new tracks one new environment and a handful of new little toy cars seems to me like crazy expensive. That forza horizon 5 hot wheels xpac will most likely have as much content as the entire main hot wheels unleashed game, judging from the past forza horizon xpacs and will only cost like 20€, that feels like 10x better and not hyper-aggressive monetization like this game here :(:(:( I'm sorry i have to write this but thats exactly how it looks with hot wheels unleashed, its hyper-monetized like f2p games are or even worse than most f2p games !!
i wish milestone wouldnt have been so greedy, it would make buying this game much easier.. now i still havent purchased it solely because of that aggressive monetization, else i would have purchased it by now :(:(:(
Did you play the game online only ?? asking because you aren't 100% sure about stuff that you should be after your claimed 300 hours of playtime in this game ?? o_O
I would be shocked if i couldn't play those dlc tracks with ai in quick race mode, honestly, thats the absolute minimum i expect ;)
Yeah thats a problem because on pc there are only like 50-100 players concurrently and from my experience out of those maybe 10-15 will play the game online and those will be the pro's who you can't beat anyway so its basically dead in multiplayer. i would wish for cross plattform play but its not looking like this will come anytime soon.
Its true that making the game f2p would be best for the game, also giving every person who bought thegame a huge bonus ontop. i think making the game f2p would be amazing and i would purchase the ultimate edition before it goes f2p without a doubt because i would want all the content but also ppl to play with online, which is a huge problem currently on pc with 50-100 players concurrently overall ingame (most will play time attack, quick races and the campaign obviously...)
thats sad to head, playing custom tracks against the ai would even be enough for me, if the multiplayer is dead anyway, to buy the game as i would have enough content to build tracks and then drive them against the ai for myself. that would be fine but without this feature and with a completely dead multiplayer its a hard one to purchase currently -.-
Thats good to hear, but i so far haven't seen any indication that the game will even be supported after the first year of content is done. They could aswell just drop it alltogether once they finish the first year of content and stop support and focus on their next game. who knows what will happen -.- i hope i'm wrong here as i'm ofc still interested in the game.
They should just really make the game f2p (the base game) and they would sell all dlcs much better i bet
It's all a big question mark tbh.
I guess we'll have to wait and see...
As far as Milestone's DLC policy, I never said I support it btw.
I guess I DO, inherently, because I did buy the Ultimate edition of the game as well as the latest Season Pass (3) BUT i didn't pay full price for any of those so there's that.
Still, obviously, this makes me part of the problem when people claim DLC content sucks and all that it entails. I plead guilty for that on this game !
I don't really condone DLC content too much tbh, of any kind.
I pretty much made a huge exception for THIS game because I was totally hyped when it was announced.
But apart from this game, for which I went all out (and STILL on a discount mind you), I'm generally very seldom in my DLC purchases and/or on HEAVY discounts...
So it's not like I am pro-DLC, I'm actually pretty far from that.
And I totally agree that 30 bucks full price for a Season Pass apiece is completely ridiculous. For ANY game pretty much (maybe apart from like HUGE DLCs like we've seen in "The Witcher 3" for ex. . But apart from DLC content like that, 30 bucks is WAY TOO MUCH).
And I DO agree that EVERYTHING should have been included in the ULTIMATE version of the game. I mean, it would only have made sense right ?
I never understood why SP3 was going to be paid on top of everything else. But, AT LEAST, you have to give them that they always made it clear from the get go and they've been sticking to their guns. So, at the end of the day, it's all a matter of do you agree with that or do you not and you being able to make your purchase accordingly....
But yeah, like I just said. I made an exception for THIS game. And STILL, I bought SP3 already JUST because I could get it with a discount, otherwise I would have waited the time it takes for the SP to drop 50% of its price.
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So now, as regards to the quick races, the thing is, I started playing through the offline career called "Hot Wheels City Rumble", with the big map), taking my dawn sweet time with it (I play on hard diffilculty so races take several retries to beat) and that was before the Racing Seasons started (the battle pass thing that lasts 70-ish days and has daily challenges and all that jazz), and TO THIS DAY, believe it or not, I'm still NOT done lol.
I've played through ALL the races but I didn't beat the main campaign 100% and I fully intend to do that.
When the Racing Seasons started though, I found myself playing almost exclusively online because I could almost always beat the daily challenges by making online races and they are so much fun, ESPECIALLY because online racing is the only mode that lets you play custom created tracks....
So, technically, I didn't get to spend that much time in Quick Races in offline mode.
I've actually never even dived into Time Attack mode yet, so far haha.
So yeah, like 98% of my playtime (which is 268 hours at this point in time to be precise, I thought I was a little closer to 300) has been spent either offline in the main "campaign" or online.
I HAVE dealt with offline Quick Races here and there to complete daily challenges but not in quite a long time at this point. That's why I said I'm not 100% sure because I haven't been IN the Quick Race mode in a few months at this point....
I do have the game open right in front of me as I'm writing this and I can now assure you 100% that you DO have access to the 2 locations from the 2 Season Passes (Batcave & Stop Motion Studio) and that all five events from both locations are up for offline Quick Races as well as Time Attack (you actually made me go into the Time Attack mode for the very 1st time, congratulations hahaha !).
So there you go !
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"They should just really make the game f2p (the base game) and they would sell all dlcs much better i bet"
I'm still not sure they would sell as many DLCs as people think but it would DEFINITELY help the player base grow and support the online mode at least for the foreseeable future.
I mean, there's really nothing to lose for them to do that.
Yeah, sure, people who BOUGHT the game and paid originally are gonna be PISSED and will ask for refunds on Steam and stuff like that (just like they did with "Fall Guys" when the F2P switch was announced) but, if you're honest with yourself, it's the best decision they could take for the FUTURE of the game.
And even if I paid for the game myself (albeit, once again, on a discount), I really think a switch to F2P would be best after year one.
We'll just have to wait and see !
As to YOUR decision to buy the game or not, IF you do buy it, I just wish you to enjoy it as much as I do because, if so, you're gonna have a hell of a time with this game !
hey and thanks for another super detailed answer. i really appreciate it, especially in times where everyone is used to twitter type answers and incapable of writing more than 2 sentences or reading more LOOOL :D
yeah i hope they continue supporting it and maybe bring back old battle passes because i would love to get the spongebob and the dc villians one. sadly i missed the first 3 interesting ones and the current jurassic world battle pass is horrible in my eyes. saldy its the only one i'm not interested in at all but i would love to replay the other 3 :D
Thats very interesting. how did you get that 3rd season pass cheaper and how much cheaper if i may ask. i would appreciate getting it much cheaper than 30€ too, that would even make me purchase the ultimate edition AND the 3rd season pass maybe right away if i could get it for like 15€ instead of 30. i think 15€ is reasonable and i would be willing to pay that but not 30, in no way ever :D:D:D
happy to see that you are a reasonable human being, its becoming rare these days on the internet hahaha :D
i agree that at least they communicated it right away. i've done alot of research on the game in the past 2 days and saw it myself. even before the release they stated that the 3rd seaons pass will be payed ontop of the ultimate edition. still, i think, same as you, they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up here big time because including it into the ultimate edition would have made the ultimate edition much more interesting to purchase, even at a higher (or even full) price.
one question regarding the campaign. can you somehow replay the campaign and get the rewards again without reseting your progress otherwise ? i mean, like if i start playing the campaign on normal difficulty, play through it and get all the rewards. can i replay it from scratch on hard and extreme difficulties ?? or how is this designed ?
yeah thats a problem on pc because from my research there are barely any lobbies available these days :( i wouldn't even mind racing against lets say the same 30-40 ppl but even this seems to not be possible and even one full lobby is hard to get at times on pc.
on which system did you play the game, playstation or xbox ? (or epic launcher pc LOL ?)
thanks, in the meantime i found it myself by watching youtube videos. at least theres that. i would still prefer to get some cups like in all those kart racers as i immensely enjoyed playing offline cups in sonic allstars racing transformed and played those for months and even years from time to time. cups would offer sooo much more replayability and shouldt be hard to implement (as in make it 4-6 races per cup from different locations and make like 10 cups to offer all tracks ingame and give fair rewards and the game gets infinite replayability. really sad they haven't thought about it and i know how extremely unlikely it is that they implement them now (like its impossible i think but i still have a shimmer of hope left :P)
yeah you know, my reasoning regarding f2p is very similar to yours. a f2p switch would make me purchase the ultimate edition much faster because i HATE f2p games due to the monetization so i would get all the content before it gets f2p and then i could enjoy it online for months and maybe even years with always enough ppl to play with. others who don't want to pay any money for the game right away or prefer to buy stuff piece by piece could do that perfectly with a f2p modell :D i would love that sooo much :D
thanks, i will buy it most likely but i'm thinking about WHEN as the extremely aggressive monetization is making it hard for me to not feel scammed when i buy it right now and i can't judge how much playtime i'll get out of this, especially with missing cups and a dead online mode. i dont want to purchase it and then be done with the game in like 20 hours, i would like to get at least 50-70 hours out of the game. the more the better :D
Sure, sure. I totally get you on that.
This is the type of game that, these days, sadly, you kinda have to hop on on release of the game (as you might have realised) otherwise you run the risk of the game being DOA kinda soon in its lifetime. So I completely understand that at this point in time, it's a tricky decision to take whether you buy the game or not and it IS NOT an easy one....
This is also what made me take the plunge from the get go because I wasn't sure how long the online would be alive, especially when the game released pretty soon around "Forza Horizon 5" (even though, personally, I don't think it's fair to COMPARE these 2 games, for many reasons. They don't have the same budget, they don't have the same history, the dev teams are not on the same scale or level. It's totally different. They are not even the same TYPE of racing games. Pretty much, the ONLY thing they share is that they are racers. On pretty much everything else, they're not on the same level so I think it's really unfair to compare these two games. It's almost like comparing "Fortnite" to "Call of Duty" just because they're both shooting games, if you seem what I mean... That doesn't really make sense, does it ?)
I'm playing on Xbox btw. So, the playerbase seems bigger on Xbox and, from what I've been told even bigger on Playstation, with people having dedicated Discords, teams and such fun things. That's also why cross-platform would be a must because it seems the game is much more alive online on consoles.
In all fairness, Steam has this GREAT feature where you can play a game under 2 hours and decide to have it refunded if you don't like it (or, well, for pretty much ANY reason as long you haven't played over 2 hours...)
I think you should take advantage of that.
While the Summer Sale lasts the Ultimate edition is 45 bucks, which is 5 bucks LESS than the base game....You can buy it, try it for 1h45 mins tops and decide if you think it's a keeper or not.
It'll give an idea of how the driving feels and you'll get a general idea of how the game feels as well. It's not a lot of time but it's probably more time than you'd have to try the game if it had a demo...
Your call obviously ;-)
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"i agree that at least they communicated it right away. i've done alot of research on the game in the past 2 days and saw it myself. even before the release they stated that the 3rd seaons pass will be payed ontop of the ultimate edition. still, i think, same as you, they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up here big time because including it into the ultimate edition would have made the ultimate edition much more interesting to purchase, even at a higher (or even full) price."
I was actually waiting to see what they would do with the 3rd Season Pass.
Because, since the backlash about the DLC policy was getting bigger, I was kinda hoping that MAYBE they would offer the 3rd Season Pass to Ultimate owners.... Buuuut I guess this wouldn't have been a fair solution anyways regarding people who only bought the base game since they would feel burned even more probably, right ?
So, yeah, I guess they just chose to stick to what they had planned, whether it seemed fair or unfair from the start. People DID sign up for that willingly or didn't, willingly as well after all....
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"one question regarding the campaign. can you somehow replay the campaign and get the rewards again without reseting your progress otherwise ? i mean, like if i start playing the campaign on normal difficulty, play through it and get all the rewards. can i replay it from scratch on hard and extreme difficulties ?? or how is this designed ?"
To my knowledge, you cannot replay the campaign.
Once you play through an event and get the rewards you can't get them AGAIN and the event stays open/unlocked.
You can REPLAY IT mind you, as many times as you want, with other vehicles, different difficulties but you won't get any kind of reward again, except for a little bit of money and XP possibly ?
But, as far as playing through the campaign on Normal and then play it again on Hard, you can't do that really.
I mean, you CAN since all the events will be open but, yeah, EVERYTHING will be open. You're just gonna play the same events again on a different difficulty setting.
Am I making complete sense ? It's kinda hard to explain I feel haha....
Mind you, if you want to unlock ALL the vehicles in the game you WILL have to 100% the campaign, which is easier said than done if you don't milk the game by playing on Easy difficulty (which is a HUGE mistake imo as you pretty much shoot yourself in the foot by doing that).
Like I said, I play on Hard difficulty (there is an even harder one but GOOD LUCK with that haha !) and the AI feels pretty damn close to the online experience with human players. Not the SAME obviously, because racing with other people always has that sense of unexpectedness, but the AI is pretty aggressive and fast on Hard so you get a good challenge without it being completely frustrating and the challenge to complete everything is, therefore, definitely more interesting and rewarding I'd say....
[EDIT] Since you would be playing on PC, there might be a way to manipulate files to change that but I have absolutely no idea if that's possible or how it would be done if it IS possible. Can't help you on that ....
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As to how I got the game and the last Season Pass discounted, it's all related to the platform I'm using so you won't be able to take advantage of that unfortunately.
I am in contact, over Facebook, with someone who owns an Xbox account in a foreign country and who can buy keys for games for much cheaper than they cost in Euros because of currency differencies. So they buy a key for a game I want in that foreign currency and then I buy them that key from them in Euros and they gift me the code. They add a fee for them to make some benefit and I still pay way less than if I bought the key in Euros AND, the best is that's it's all absolutely legal...
It's a little bit like the Steam keys you can buy from people who sell Humble Bundle leftover or unwanted keys on Ebay, if you see what I'm talking about.
It's pretty much the same concept but on Xbox...
So, this gave me the opportunity to buy the Ultimate Edition of the game at launch for 40 bucks and the 3rd Season Pass for 14 Euros.
Pretty much, I got literally EVERYTHING that is available for the game for 65-ish Euros including the 4 Racing Seasons because I get 5-Euro coupons on Xbox from the Microsoft Rewards Program that lets me do a bunch of daily things online and get points that eventually lead me to farm coupons. So, literally, I've been buying Each Racing Season for 1 Euro instead of 6.
The only things left were 3 bundles of 2 cars each that Milestone made available.
They were bonuses people got for pre-ordering the game and they eventually put them in the "DLC store" as well. 3 bundles of 2 cars each for 2 bucks per bundle.
So, that adds up to 40 +14 + 2 +2 +2 +1 +1 +1 +1 = 64 for literally everything that is available.
Not a bad deal I think even though this is STILL 65 bucks but, like I said before, I'm only EVER gonna do that for THIS game and no other so I think it's fair :-) !
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So there you go !
You know everything :-) !
I NEVER would have bought the game if it hadn't been for that discount I was getting.
There is NO WAY I would EVER pay 90 bucks for any kind of edition of ANY game. I just don't have that kind of money aaaaaand, even if I did, I'm not sure I would want to support this kind of price tags tbh.....
NOW, when the Ultimate Edition of the game gets discounted for what is less than the base game full price, I wouldn't call it a DEAL, you know :-D.... buuuuut it's infinitely better than 90 bucks right ?
Also, you know, something that definitely helped was that, I knew EXACTLY what I was getting myself into as far as the DLC were concerned because I informed myself before making the purchase.
So, I don't feel scammed because I wasn't.
I bought the game with its pre-announced DLC roadmap and future additional PAID content knowing what I was buying and that makes all the difference in the world, obviously... But it's up to each person to make that call. That still doesn't make it a scam in my book if people don't inform themselves beforehand (but that's up for debate I'm sure haha).
I DO understand why people feel burned but then, the information is out there for everyone to see and read in detail. You just have to look for it, which seems more than what a lot of people are ready to do....And then they come here to complain about what they should have learned by themselves :-p ....
Finally, I thank you for your kind words. It's definitely a good feeling to communicate with someone who can type something elaborate and that makes sense and who isn't just blatantly trolling or spreading negative vibes :-D.
So thanks for that and your kind words fellow human being :-) !
yeah i ofc knew this would be a DOA game and thats the reason why i didnt get it on release. I knew the online would only last for a few weeks max and it would be a little community from the start. sadly, i've alot of experience in gaming (have been gaming since around 1992) so these days i know which games have a chance and which dont and i'm not buying into DOA games at all :(
Sadly, now after nearly a year i still am interested in playing the game and the game is still rather expensive so i'm sick of waiting forever. i might wait for another year and get the ultimate edition uncluding the 3rd season pass for maybe 30€ together, but it will be another year -.- last year on release i told myself "ah here we go, as usual a mediocre to maybe good game with insane monetization, i'll wait until the game is below 10 bucks and get it then" and i feel like it will be in a humble monthly bundle sooner or later (base edition only ofc, but even if it would be in a humble bundle within the next 6 months for just 10€ with other games, buying the dlcs will still make it nearly as expensive as it is currently (i mean yeah overall it might be 20€ less because of the 3rd season pass, which i'm not going to get right now anyway but still, waiting for it for another 6 months only go get it a bit cheaper sucks).
ahhh alright thanks, i figured you would play it on one of those consoles. yeah the problem with steams refund system is, i've used it quite alot (still buying more games than refunding but i dont want to stress it) so i dont want to refund anything for a few months for the invisible timer to run out and reset on my account xD (yes there is one and if someone overdoes it, you get a warning, then a second warning and then a permanent refund ban. a few years ago was at 2 warnings already and then i reset it by waiting for a few months without refunding anything and now i'm trying to not get even one warning at all because it never feels nice :P)
thats sad to hear, i didnt know there was any backlash at all but if they kept it like that despite a backlash its not really promising for the future of the game at all. i kinda bet they will drop the game and the support after this one year of content is finished, especially if there are only a few thousand ppl left playing. still, as mentioned several times i think it will be a mistake and they should turn it into f2p. they will make alot more money than they are now and everyone will be happy. f2p ppl for being able to play for free and buy piece by piece if they want to and all others for having enough ppl online to play the game with :D
thats very sad to hear, it feels more and more like the devs didnt know how to design a game well enough as there are mistakes on every single corner. the game is not really designed with any longetivity in mind despite them wanting to sell dlcs for an entire year after release so this contradicts the game design.
not being able to replay the campaign and get rewards again, without having any cups to play and with a dead multiplayer sadly makes it really hard to buy the game now for 45€, without even the 3rd (i love the looney tunes so super interesting) season pass included -.-
ah yeah i figured you might have done something like that. awesome for you, sadly not possible for me on steam due to gifts not being tradeable for like 7 days or even longer, maybe even a month, i dont remember anymore. valve change it a few years ago to kill gift trading and it worked for the most part :( considering the price you paid for the entire content you did everything right and it was worth it i think. i would have to spent much more and thats 9 months after release :( this greedy monetization just sucks and kills games, i wonder if the business will ever wake up and notice this. kinda doubt it considering games like diablo immortal
true you gave me alot of information and insight. thank you for that !! its the first time ever on steam that someone answered one (or several) of my questions in such a detail and i've been on steam for 17.5 years :D
i'll think about when i buy the game, i most likely will just not sure of in this sale due to me wanting the 3rd season pass anyway for it to feel complete but definitely not spending 30€ on it ever hehe :D still might pick up the ultimate stunt edition in the coming days and buy the 3rd season pass in a few months once its 30%off.
i agree that considering all the information was available beforehand its not a scam, but its still pretty aggressive monetization and i think this hurt the game more than the devs realize. they wanted to cash in as much as possible, like always these days but (also like always these days) they didn't realize that by making a fair offer with good value they could have made much more money. human nature i guess xD :P
have a great day today and thanks again for all the time you spent answering me in such an incredible detail :)
The time attacks are not good.
You need to cut the track and cheat to be able to get the times.
Cutting the track to get the times is BS.
I don't think Milestone has a deal like that or a partnership with Humble Bundle though.
I don't remember a SINGLE of their games ever making it to a Monthly Bundle (or whatever the monthly one is called).
They might have done deals for like, you know, a racing bundle here and there but they're definitely not one of the most active partners to Humble Bundle if at all.
Also, Milestone prices definitely take a few years to REALLY go down.
If you check out "Ride 4", it's been out for almost 2 years and it's only now that it is starting to really get affordable, knowing that that game has a Season Pass and such as well.
Milestone is actually very well-known for being a AA publisher/creator that pretty much copy-pastes their game from one year to another with little to no real upgrades, year after year, with a pretty agressive DLC policy on pretty much all their games as the years go by.
When "Hotwheels" was announced and I heard it was made and published by Milestone, I was like: "Hmmmm, I'm not sure how this is going to turn out, quality wise haha....".
And, I don't own ALL of Milestones' games but quite a few and "Hot Wheels" is BY FAR their best one, their most quality one as well and it turned out to be their most sold game as well.
So, yeah, if you want to get the full bundle for a decent price, be warned that it might not happen before a year or maybe even two.
I definitely feel that getting Ultimate now on discount and SP3 later on is probably the smartest compromise if you want to experience online races and still cut the price by half...
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"ahhh alright thanks, i figured you would play it on one of those consoles. yeah the problem with steams refund system is, i've used it quite alot (still buying more games than refunding but i dont want to stress it) so i dont want to refund anything for a few months for the invisible timer to run out and reset on my account xD (yes there is one and if someone overdoes it, you get a warning, then a second warning and then a permanent refund ban. a few years ago was at 2 warnings already and then i reset it by waiting for a few months without refunding anything and now i'm trying to not get even one warning at all because it never feels nice :P)
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Oh wow ok !
I didn't know this was a thing.
I've never abused this refund policy (not saying that YOU do) so I've only refunded a very small amount of games I didn't like at all or were not working properly on my PC.
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Well, when I mention backlash from the DLC policy, I mean, here, in the Steam discussions.
I've never really seen any other complaints about this game than here on Steam tbh haha
It obviously doesn't mean that people on other platforms are happy with Milestones' policies but there's no real way to know....
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As for DLCs and F2P monetisation, unfortunately, they're hear to stay, they're not going anywhere.
People can ♥♥♥♥♥ all they want about them, they are now part of the system.
And it's easy to stop them, people just don't have to buy them but there's always gonna be people who are ready to pay more for more content or people like me with "Hot Wheels", who don't really support DLCs and such but who make an exception for this ONE game that they love or are hyped about. And it just refuels and support the system without you really wanting to...
yeah you are right here, i didn't think about hat but true, i checked and i don't own a single milestone game so far so there most likely wasn't even one in those humble monthlies and other (worthwhile) bundles, or else i would own at least one or two of their old games. i think i misremembered because i own alot of other racing games from other publishers and must have mixed that up.
sadly true aswell. there are exeptions like gravel but still, overall they keep their game's value up as long and high as possible and spam the market with dlcs. i don't like that but a good game will still be a good game. might pick up gravel now as its only 3€ and i wanted to check this one out since its release xD
thats cool to hear, when i saw milestone doing hot wheels unleashed i actually had a very similar thought as i checked their other games and they all were either mixed or mostly positive and thats usually not promising as ppl tend to overrate games massively (well, that was the case a few years ago for a few years and nowadays i noticed ppl often tend to over-criticise games too, weird world :P still there are games that are massively overrated these days aswell, completely broken products on pc that get 90+% positive on steam :D
yeah i agree after careful consideration i think this will be the best approach because i'm not willing to wait for another year. get the ultimate now and the sp3 in like 3-4 months once its down to at least 20€, still expensive but hell, better than 30 as 30 is and will remain a nogo :D
yeah i never absused it willingly aswell, but when you buy alot of games, which i usually do, sometimes a few games in a row turn out to be extremely disappointing or otherwise problematic (especially on the plattform pc with regarding technical aspects) so it happened twice to me that i refunded liek 3-4 games in a row and got a warning and once i got the second warning too, idk how many games i refunded back then, thats like 3+ years ago, but i can give you another bit of info regarding this.. even if you buy a game or two inbetween refunding games, your invisible timer won't get cut short at all. it seems valve has a static timer that runs regardless of how many games you buy inbetween refunding games. so once you refund enough games to get the first warning even if you buy 2,3,4 games in a row you'll still have to wait out the timer until it expires (idk exactly how long it runs but from my observations its something around 3 months until it expires and once it expires, its back to zero, you could potentially refund another 3-4 games in a row at that point (not saying anyone should though but thats how i noticed valves system works)
yeah this will be due to the centralised nature of the steam discussion boards. consoles don't really have such huge online communities where everyone is on the same discussion board whilst for pc games its all steam. i've seen dozens, if not hundreds of ppl that wrote in discussion boards for other games on steam even though they owned the console versions and not the pc version. i mean, you are one of them right :D:D:D
yep, 100% agreed !!
maps as in tracks or environments ??
if you mean tracks its:
45 for the main game, 5 for the first expansion, 5 for the second expansion and 5 for the third expansion releasing in july
so 60 tracks in total made by the devs.
if you mean environments (backgrounds etc). its 6 for the main game and 3 for the expansions
so 9 in total.
in comparison to that in sonic transformed you have:
21 tracks in 21 different unique environments
hard to say whats better, i actually prefer 9 environments with more tracks BUT i'm really missing cups like those in sonic transformed
Do you need to buy the expansion pack to play on those tracks ? If someone host a map/track using expansion, someone without expansion can join ?