What uses gnosis shards?

[kevintheradioguy]

I have just noticed that I have been generating them on a regular basis by having a good turnaround of students, and trading with Ember dragon for 100-200 pieces every few days to promote apprentices, and they still are at zero. Literally just now before writing, watched the inventory go up to 120 and immediately down to 9. I feel like I missed some crafting station or piece oslf furniture that uses them on a regular basis, and I now have a black hole for gnosis shards in my school, but the codex is of no help, it only mentions hiring gifred initiates and staff. What can be using them this much?

[Jaggid Edje]

The ritual to raise an initiate to an apprentice costs gnosis shards, as does summoning gifted students and using a faction relic when summoning students to get a specific faction. In the case that you summon a gifted student of a specific faction the two costs are both paid. Hiring staff also costs gnosis shards.

THey are also used for crafting at the Augery station and some of the potion crafting.

Edit: worth mentioning that despite the gnosis cost for making apprentices, they pay for themselves (and then some) between the leveling of relics and the gnosis shards earned for their skill increases, especially once you have the relic that boosts that even more, so don't let the gnosis cost dissuade you from doing that.

[kevintheradioguy]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

The ritual to raise an initiate to an apprentice costs gnosis shards, as does summoning gifted students and using a faction relic when summoning students to get a specific faction. In the case that you summon a gifted student of a specific faction the two costs are both paid.

THey are also used for crafting at the Augery station and some of the potion crafting.

Thanks, but that wasn't the question, I'm afraid.

[Jaggid Edje]

Unless you're shipping gnosis shards down to the toilet (the ember dragon), I listed everything that uses them.

[Jaggid Edje]

If you can't figure out where they are going, next time you get some gnosis shards, click on it in the list on the right hand side of the screen. That will jump you between "stacks" of gnosis shards on the map....if its' the only stack you can just keep clicking it to follow their movement, until you see where they are getting used.

[ulzgoroth]

As mentioned, augury and the recon potion use Gnosis shards. I think those are the only crafting uses and so the only things that would be draining them without you actively triggering it?

[Soul4hdwn]

Originally posted by kevintheradioguy:

I have just noticed that I have been generating them on a regular basis by having a good turnaround of students, and trading with Ember dragon for 100-200 pieces every few days to promote apprentices, and they still are at zero. Literally just now before writing, watched the inventory go up to 120 and immediately down to 9. I feel like I missed some crafting station or piece oslf furniture that uses them on a regular basis, and I now have a black hole for gnosis shards in my school, but the codex is of no help, it only mentions hiring gifred initiates and staff. What can be using them this much?

if your question is actually to GET the shards instead of spending (others mentioned its used vast number of places including hiring, upgrading, and even getting specific students)...
then look for relics that do "get x more on level up" and also you can pulverize unused relics that gives shards based on the relic's level.

[perfectevil]

Originally posted by Soul4hdwn:

Originally posted by kevintheradioguy:

I have just noticed that I have been generating them on a regular basis by having a good turnaround of students, and trading with Ember dragon for 100-200 pieces every few days to promote apprentices, and they still are at zero. Literally just now before writing, watched the inventory go up to 120 and immediately down to 9. I feel like I missed some crafting station or piece oslf furniture that uses them on a regular basis, and I now have a black hole for gnosis shards in my school, but the codex is of no help, it only mentions hiring gifred initiates and staff. What can be using them this much?

if your question is actually to GET the shards instead of spending (others mentioned its used vast number of places including hiring, upgrading, and even getting specific students)...
then look for relics that do "get x more on level up" and also you can pulverize unused relics that gives shards based on the relic's level.

I believe OP has an issue with shards being drained automaticly by something, and the question - what could do that?

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by perfectevil:

I believe OP has an issue with shards being drained automaticly by something, and the question - what could do that?

The answers given are the only things that could do that, because they are the only things that use gnosis shards. The most likely explanation is that he has some crafting that uses them set up as "make until x" and it hasn't hit "x" yet.

[Costeq]

Originally posted by kevintheradioguy:

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

The ritual to raise an initiate to an apprentice costs gnosis shards, as does summoning gifted students and using a faction relic when summoning students to get a specific faction. In the case that you summon a gifted student of a specific faction the two costs are both paid.

THey are also used for crafting at the Augery station and some of the potion crafting.

Thanks, but that wasn't the question, I'm afraid.

He literally listed you every possible shard sink. It was exactly the answer to your question. What do you expect someone to tell you specifically which out of those? Go and check each one to find out...

[kevintheradioguy]

Originally posted by Costeq:

Originally posted by kevintheradioguy:

Thanks, but that wasn't the question, I'm afraid.

He literally listed you every possible shard sink. It was exactly the answer to your question. What do you expect someone to tell you specifically which out of those? Go and check each one to find out...

And if you read anywhere beyond the title, you'll realise that wasn't what I was asking, genius.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by kevintheradioguy:

Originally posted by Costeq:

He literally listed you every possible shard sink. It was exactly the answer to your question. What do you expect someone to tell you specifically which out of those? Go and check each one to find out...

And if you read anywhere beyond the title, you'll realise that wasn't what I was asking, genius.

"I feel like I missed some crafting station or piece oslf furniture that uses them on a regular basis, and I now have a black hole for gnosis shards in my school, but the codex is of no help, it only mentions hiring gifred initiates and staff. What can be using them this much?"

What did you think you were asking here, if not in the words of your own title "What uses gnosis shards?" Maybe you didn't need the first paragraph since you ought to be aware when you spend them in rituals (but that's risky to assume), but then the second paragraph finishes the topic off.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

Edit: worth mentioning that despite the gnosis cost for making apprentices, they pay for themselves (and then some) between the leveling of relics and the gnosis shards earned for their skill increases, especially once you have the relic that boosts that even more, so don't let the gnosis cost dissuade you from doing that.

Suggesting the skill increase gnosis shards are doing much the job seems inaccurate unless you've got very high level relics and they deliver a lot more value than the relics I've got.

As best I can tell, the base income for learning is just one shard per skill level? And an apprentice only gains at most four total skill level cap. That's nowhere near paying off the cost of apprenticeship.

Of course, as you say, you can boost that, depending on how hard you work at it.

There's the displayed relic type that gives you a chance of extra shards on learning, IIRC the ones I have are around +1 shard per skill, though of course that's more useful with initiates picking up their many intro skills.

Then there's element boost relics, which around level 7 start giving +shards on learning or teaching the subject. +2 per level for the ones I've got, though it might improve at higher levels. If you have enough of those for your apprentice to have one, that's great. If you've also got per-element teaching specialists with the same boost, it should stack...

Even with all that though, apprenticeship fees would seem to utterly swamp the direct gnosis returns of apprenticeship. Picking up something like 20 shards if you do everything possible? So to actually break even you'd need to be pulverizing a relic.

Of course, a graduated apprentice produces two relics in their career and feeds a lot of experience into 3-5 relics (depending on build and whether they're gifted) so aiming to pulverize one relic per apprentice, amortized, probably is feasible and pays their bills?

[Ansixilus]

Okay, since everyone else seems too busy arguing with each other about what was or wasn't asked or meant, and then going off on efficient generation comparisons, here's a list of what *uses* Gnosis shards:

- Apprenticing, Hiring, and all types of Advanced summoning rituals
- Sal Alembroth (1) and Sal Oblivium (4), the 'potions' used for pre-battle scouting
- Crystal Portents (3) and Crystal Prophecies (10), used for pre-battle weakness changing

I'm pretty sure that's really it.
Thus, if you have a constant drain on your Gnosis shards, you probably have a large, possibly open-ended, order of one of the pre-battle items. Check your alchemy and divining workrooms.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by Ansixilus:

Okay, since everyone else seems too busy arguing with each other about what was or wasn't asked or meant, and then going off on efficient generation comparisons, here's a list of what *uses* Gnosis shards:

- Apprenticing, Hiring, and all types of Advanced summoning rituals
- Sal Alembroth (1) and Sal Oblivium (4), the 'potions' used for pre-battle scouting
- Crystal Portents (3) and Crystal Prophecies (10), used for pre-battle weakness changing

I'm pretty sure that's really it.
Thus, if you have a constant drain on your Gnosis shards, you probably have a large, possibly open-ended, order of one of the pre-battle items. Check your alchemy and divining workrooms.

Looks good to me.

Note that people provided this answer before getting into the other things you're complaining about - the first and fifth posts both say this, though you've provided a more detailed description of the alchemy and augury sinks.