I Quit.

[batuhan_23]

No, my tactics don't suck.
No, i am good. Your game is bad.
No, we're not idiots, this game is broken.
I will not be swindled again. Bye bye

I don't wanna play with some stupid 1 midfielder plug-in play tactics.

roses are red,
violets are blue.
don't write here fanboys
because my words are true.

see ya.

[batuhan_23]

guys just quit. :) this game is broken. period.

[fourfourtwo79]

Originally posted by CEVR1996:

Those of us who express constructive criticism towards the game, do so because we care about it and helping to make the game better is in the best of our interests, as it should be for the developers.

So do/did I, for instance, a criticism of AI tactics off a previouis release of mine. https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/417562-football-manager-2018-official-feedback-thread/page/23/?tab=comments#comment-11099665 Admittedly I came up with my own "conspiracies" before, but rather that SI would deliberately dumb the AI down (this was an era were unlike before AI managed Bayern Munich on the occasion lost up to 8 league games per season, struggling to score more than 60 goals with one of the most dominating squads, and yes, it was the AI tactics fault). https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/417562-football-manager-2018-official-feedback-thread/page/23/?tab=comments#comment-11100841

However, the notion that the AI were given boosts remains untrue, distracts from the other issues you have brought up and is a hindrance to Ai development (because if it would be improved, it would lead to even more AI boost conspiracies as it would make the Ai become more efficient).. Everything the AI could do, you could do better, which has always been true.

[batuhan_23]

Originally posted by fourfourtwo79:

Originally posted by CEVR1996:

Those of us who express constructive criticism towards the game, do so because we care about it and helping to make the game better is in the best of our interests, as it should be for the developers.

So do/did I, for instance, a criticism of AI tactics off a previouis release of mine. https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/417562-football-manager-2018-official-feedback-thread/page/23/?tab=comments#comment-11099665 Admittedly I came up with my own "conspiracies" before, but rather that SI would deliberately dumb the AI down (this was an era were unlike before AI managed Bayern Munich on the occasion lost up to 8 league games per season, struggling to score more than 60 goals with one of the most dominating squads, and yes, it was the AI tactics fault). https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/417562-football-manager-2018-official-feedback-thread/page/23/?tab=comments#comment-11100841

However, the notion that the AI were given boosts remains untrue, distracts from the other issues you have brought up and is a hindrance to Ai development (because if it would be improved, it would lead to even more AI boost conspiracies as it would make the Ai become more efficient).. Everything the AI could do, you could do better, which has always been true.

we do not doing anything better. we just wanna play football manager simulator.
we just wanna play with 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. Maybe 3-4-3 or 6-3-1. but not one midfielder op silly plug in play tactics.

why inverted wingbacks are so effective and other wingbacks sucks? why?
this is not football manager simulator. this is our problem. of course if we spend hours we can solve problems. but this solutions isn't about football or tactics. it's just finding bugs or playing what the game wants.

we just wanna play some football manager simulator.

[fourfourtwo79]

Originally posted by batuhan_23:

we do not doing anything better. we just wanna play football manager simulator.
we just wanna play with 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. Maybe 3-4-3 or 6-3-1. but not one midfielder op silly plug in play tactics.

This was a reply to the "AI getting a boost" stuff. It does not. It never has. If the AI can do something you can't, including scoring off few shots, the AI has an edge over you. The only way to deal with this is getting better at this game. It might still be a bad game with lots of bugs and issues, but you can be better and worse as any AI at any game.

As to the plug&play tactics: Silly ME/AI busting exploit tactics have always been successful since the dawn of FM. Guess what, because they're exploits. I agree despite their popularity (apparently a lot of people simply want to win without any effort) they're sh*t and likely contributed to the demise of the MMO FM Live years ago. But here's the thing, the AI does not use such silly tactics. As the AI doesn't use them, so you don't have to. That is offline.

The SI tactical forums for instance, have always been divided into the download sections (plug&play silliness) and the general tactical threads. Some of the general threads in my opinion aren't all bad.

A recent thread trying to replicate City. https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/549290-manchester-city-pep-guardiola-analysis-and-tactical-recreation/

Here's a recent thread for instance on a 6-3-1ish albeit on FM 18 (with the human manager frustrating an AI having lots of shots and winning in the end over two legs, giving it some of its own medicine in the form of lots of conservative roles/duties too). https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/550687-tactics-of-a-cup-run-giant-killing-the-6-3-1-highly-structured/

Despite it all, I don't play much of FM myself these days. I don't think it will ever fully fulfill itself as a "football simulation" myself, no less as people are still puzzled how opponents exclusively could ever score off few shots, even after years of playing...

[Manage ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)]

The morale thing.. its just unrealistic.

[batuhan_23]

Guys, please check the fm forums.

Everybody trying some strikerless tactics because of new update. C'mon, what is this? Is it realistic? Is it about football? :)

Game says: Play like this, use this, this is effective and this is not. I don't wanna do this. When opponent playing with 2 striker, i wanna use 3cb because it's make sense. the problem starts there: average paced striker runs like hell. and most of the time, my fast, good cb just watch him. i know some men just want to watch the world burn, but come on. i am not batman, he is not alfred and opponent striker isn't joker.

long throws. so effective. why?
inverted wingbacks. who is using them except guardiola? in turkey, fenerbahçe coach try inverted wingback thing. it's not worked there.
strikerless tactics. what?
one midfielder tactics... one... JUST ONE. c'mon!

guys it's not about our success. in my dinamo career, i break all of the records and in champions league, i beat chelsea & barcelona.
in my norwich & brentford career, I promoted to the upper league.
but it's not about promotion or glory. it's about the game.
this game says: i am football manager. football manager simulator.
but it's unrealistic.
and sadly, they are monopoly.
no rivals, no alternatives.
guys please check my football manager history. tens of thousands of hours...

I just want to be understood.

[KiKuFLy]

uy

[KiingAllen]

Originally posted by batuhan_23:

Guys, please check the fm forums.

Everybody trying some strikerless tactics because of new update. C'mon, what is this? Is it realistic? Is it about football? :)

Game says: Play like this, use this, this is effective and this is not. I don't wanna do this. When opponent playing with 2 striker, i wanna use 3cb because it's make sense. the problem starts there: average paced striker runs like hell. and most of the time, my fast, good cb just watch him. i know some men just want to watch the world burn, but come on. i am not batman, he is not alfred and opponent striker isn't joker.

long throws. so effective. why?
inverted wingbacks. who is using them except guardiola? in turkey, fenerbahçe coach try inverted wingback thing. it's not worked there.
strikerless tactics. what?
one midfielder tactics... one... JUST ONE. c'mon!

guys it's not about our success. in my dinamo career, i break all of the records and in champions league, i beat chelsea & barcelona.
in my norwich & brentford career, I promoted to the upper league.
but it's not about promotion or glory. it's about the game.
this game says: i am football manager. football manager simulator.
but it's unrealistic.
and sadly, they are monopoly.
no rivals, no alternatives.
guys please check my football manager history. tens of thousands of hours...

I just want to be understood.

I FULLY understand, and I FULLY agree. Unfortunately, the most important part of the game, THE MATCH, is the worst part of the game. There's so much detail in other areas outside of the the match day, however once you enter the match itself, all immersion is broken for me. And this is hugely part to the broken tactics creator, and poor AI.

[TuGaD11]

...My team 2-1 up... 96min 2-2... VAR looking at..
Me :)))))
AI...Var says Goal! And the 1st ever VAR goal goes to... AI
:-(((((((( MFKING...
Really last update is a joke. The game physics looks wrong.. especilly the ball is all over the place. Backwards.
Haaland scoring 100 per season, 300 total team goals, on a 424, unrealistic?! Yes but I don't care, the world is a very surreal at the moment.
Not good Sport Interactive, please fix it! I love FM, but I will stop buying it.

[Dundalion]

Originally posted by batuhan_23:

Originally posted by CEVR1996:

The game should be renamed to "Shot Block Manager 2021" or "Cross Block Manager 2021" because that´s basically what 90% of the match highlights boil down to, especially those for your team. It gets boring quickly, wether you´re winning or not, the game isn´t nearly as enjoyable and immersive as it could be if these issues were addressed where their true source lies, the actual programming of the engine itself, instead of always being blamed on tactics and specific player instructions but I don´t think that´s going to happen any time soon. For the time being, we have to keep watching endless pinball style plays on the final third and defenders with an aversion to the ball in the match engine and pretend it´s a realistic representation of the sport.

Edit: More than ever, this game feels massively scripted on certain matches such as my most recent one, where I was winning by one goal up to the last 2 minutes and suddently and with no forseeable warning, the oppostition scores two consecutive goals, one being a stupid mistake by a defender and the other a long shot in which the ball somehow manages to squeeze right throught 7 or 8 players conglomerated within the box after an indirect freekick. This never happens the other way around, it´s always to the AI teams.

forget it bro, devs & fanboys don't understand this situation.

I understand what you say, and i know that feel.

So basically you're butthurt because other people like the game and don't agree with your whiny comments. You are the definition of sociopathic. Normal people stop playing the game and move onto something else, but you are an attention seeker that is looking for validation, which is pretty pathetic. Suck it up and move on bro, stop looking for validation.