Football Manager 2021

Football Manager 2021

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batuhan_23 Mar 3, 2021 @ 2:35pm
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I Quit.
No, my tactics don't suck.
No, i am good. Your game is bad.
No, we're not idiots, this game is broken.
I will not be swindled again. Bye bye

I don't wanna play with some stupid 1 midfielder plug-in play tactics.

roses are red,
violets are blue.
don't write here fanboys
because my words are true.

see ya.
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Mymphus Mar 6, 2021 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by Zakys:
Yeah they dont like the game no point arguing anymore :D i love the game its so good fun and also for hardcore fans there isnt other game on market for 1 reason. you must like football to very high degree to be able to do a game like this. Look at FIFA EA clearly dont know jack sh...about football and its clear to see. But this game 0 microtransactions 0 dlc free updates all leagues from the world :D I now manage second league in our country and there are players i didnt even know existed and i watch the league from time to time

They make you pay for the editor for starters and if you think about it you are literally paying for minimal changes each year when you buy the next game in the series.... It literally has about what 2-3 superficial features, they change some names around, update the transfers and slap a coat of new paint on the interface... You're literally paying $60 for 85% of last years game... Also if they could come up with a reasonable way to include micro-transactions, trust me, they would.. FIFA at the very least has graphical updates which actually cost time and money, update to physics engines, A.I., game modes, etc.... (Not that I'm defending FIFA, but at the very least try to compare games that are in the same realm of logic)

Also your free updates are literally two transfer windows.... WOW, they shifted some players around, you can literally do that yourself in the editor... (Bug fixes don't count, they wouldn't have as many issues if they didn't rush each game out the window )

I'm glad you like the game, keep playing it! Seriously, but our complaints are valid, I agree that you must love football very much to truly enjoy this game, but there those of us who have been playing these types of games since Championship Manager and when we see the same problems each year, with them ignoring feedback and continuously rushing the game out each year for profit purposes, it gets aggravating. When you have a game that is about tactics and your choices and they clearly don't work (such as wingplay), you're paying for a broken game. Is it really choice if I'm forced down specific tactics because others are broken? Is it really choice when the AI is using said OP tactic and I have to match that tactic to even get close to winning?Months go by with no acknowledgement and no fixes, then we get the neat little yearly message "No more updates noobs, working on next game now, get wrekt" it sucks...
Last edited by Mymphus; Mar 6, 2021 @ 6:49am
Tiberius Mar 6, 2021 @ 6:36am 
I wouldv agreed with you on the editor thing, but then i found out that even fmrte now cost money. Sadly, its just the norm everything cost money today
fourfourtwo79 Mar 6, 2021 @ 7:12am 
Originally posted by CEVR1996:
That´s why we can´t expect it to remain competitive against any human player who has a basic understanding of the game unless some form of hard coded bias is employed in order to cover for it´s numerous deficiencies such as allowing AI controlled teams to score from less created opportunities on average, let me say this again, on average, especially once you become a very dominant side which can pretty much run circles around the opposition and can´t be tactically outclassed.


There is no bias. If the AI were smarter, the suspicious that there was a bias would increase tenfold (which is probably one of the reasons why they don't code to make it smarter). The AI has an edge over anybody though who turns matches into simplistic contests of who had the most shots. The AI never cared about the shots. It only cares about the goals scored, and makes changes based on current scorelines during a match. If it's the big match underdog, which it often is due to the human manager's success, it may park the bus from kick-off content with a draw, only to attack for minutes of a match (or set pieces). One-sided match stats are then simply a byproduct of its defensive tactical picks. That's where it scores from few shots -- human players universally play attacking tactics, and come against a defensive AI bend on soaking up shots in fewer space (lots of defend duty players, low lines, keeping things compact in generral). It's only a matter of time and probability until the AI scores off fewer shots. Sometimes it may do so luckily, sometimes it may even score off a bug, however eventually it will happen.

It's not hard to at least match the AI's conversion. And that's not a defense of the game. Rather, the AI should become smarter and develop alongside the series, however, see above. Everything the AI can you could have always done better. https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/452462-youve-been-fmd/?tab=comments#comment-11561005

Few even try though, or go a bit on the extreme, losing all attacking oomph. https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/391460-park-the-bus/
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Shaman King Mar 6, 2021 @ 9:57am 
i mean i made the comparison with fifa because fifa do 0 changes every year and if they do its for the worst change ever like even more improving pace and retarding the game to an unbelievable level of retardness. this game is complete opposite for me 0 micros , mby some slight mistakes in the match engine but otherwise yeah :D comparing FIFA to FM is very unfair to FM franchise. its like comparing ♥♥♥♥ to food. and the food is fm
Mymphus Mar 6, 2021 @ 10:45am 
Originally posted by Zakys:
i mean i made the comparison with fifa because fifa do 0 changes every year and if they do its for the worst change ever like even more improving pace and retarding the game to an unbelievable level of retardness. this game is complete opposite for me 0 micros , mby some slight mistakes in the match engine but otherwise yeah :D comparing FIFA to FM is very unfair to FM franchise. its like comparing ♥♥♥♥ to food. and the food is fm

Your comparisons make zero sense, trying to say the game is good because it doesn't have micro transactions, how is that in any way relevant to the bugs the game has or the lack of concrete new features or significant engine improvements? You are literally a biased fan boy who is bashing FIFA and promoting FM by simply saying Micro-transactions over and over while providing zero facts to back up anything you say. FIFA does implement changes (existing and new game modes, graphics, game systems,etc), more than this game I might add, despite that, no it's still not enough. FM adds a handful of new words or changes some up, fixes some bugs that should have been taken care of while creating new ones, as I said prior we get maybe 1-3 new superficial features and a new coat of paint, WOW, SO AMAZING.

All you are doing is trash talking FIFA in the hopes it makes FM look better, because guess what, you can't provide any relevant facts to counter others or support your bias other than " I can manage a second league team WOW" "FIFA is trash"

In no shape or form am I saying FM is the worst game ever, what I am saying is it has issues that aren't fixed because of a ridiculously short development and support cycle with a significantly smaller dev team so not much gets done from year to year. Hence, we have snowballing problems every, single, year.

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Shaman King Mar 6, 2021 @ 11:19am 
please look at metacritics i dont want to fm look good i have so many hours in fm i have 11000 hours in FM 13 alone and play it from first ever fm :) and i play from first good fifa and that is fifa 98. until now i realized fifa went wrong direction money hungry ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and fm is doing ok. i dont talk like fm is some godly something but its so good that fifa can go fck themselve. look at metacritic score :)
Mymphus Mar 6, 2021 @ 11:32am 
Originally posted by Zakys:
please look at metacritics i dont want to fm look good i have so many hours in fm i have 11000 hours in FM 13 alone and play it from first ever fm :) and i play from first good fifa and that is fifa 98. until now i realized fifa went wrong direction money hungry ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and fm is doing ok. i dont talk like fm is some godly something but its so good that fifa can go fck themselve. look at metacritic score :)

That's cool, you hate FIFA, but it has zero to do with FM other than they are both Football related games. While FIFA has game modes that let you choose your team it is in no shape or form anything like FM where it's inherently a Management simulator. You're comparing apples to oranges, yes they are both fruits but two entirely different ones. FIFA's metacritic score in no shape and form says anything about FM, why? Because again, they are two different genres, their developers aren't even affiliated for crying out loud....

You say that FM isn't money hungry yet the proof is right in front of you... 1 year of development and support and that's it... period! Want more? Spend $60 on the new game... but wait! It's pretty much last years game!

Also I'm not denying anything about your in game experience, but you have yet to provide any relevant facts nor have you shown anything other than you are 100% biased.

Want to know why their aren't any micro-transactions in the game aside form what I said prior? Here are some stats:

FMs record number of players : 90,000+
FIFA's number of players: 37,600,000

Hmmmm.... I wonder why FIFA has Micro-transactions.... hmmm.....

Listen, keep enjoying the game m8, I'm glad for you, but I'm done trying to explain basic things to you. It's getting nowhere.
Last edited by Mymphus; Mar 6, 2021 @ 11:38am
Shaman King Mar 6, 2021 @ 12:00pm 
you know why fm has fewer players than fifa? because its not a slot mashine and its not dumbed down for absolute primitives every reasonable human with good cognitive skills can accept that fm is just way better than fifa. its just better in every way. that doesnt mean you need to stop playing fifa but the complexity of the game is on another level and the quality too. i just say i made mistake comparing these two products at this time. i dont know what future holds but right now its embarrasing to even take fifa into one sentence with fm
fourfourtwo79 Mar 7, 2021 @ 12:03am 
Originally posted by CEVR1996:
And by the way, the reason I personally tend to employ more attack minded tactics even when facing stronger teams is because I've never been able to make a proper counter attacking approach work

Well, the limited AI can. Naturally, it's working best against opposition who still attack themselves. If you're top of the game world, lots of teams play defensive /cautious tactics as the AI views itself as the underdog in almost every match. [In prior releases in particular, this was far too extreme, e.g. Barcelona parking the bus at home etc].

All of this still applies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8erK2WZ6bME
The_Smooth_Lefty Mar 8, 2021 @ 12:05am 
Looks like someone just conceded a last minute goal to lose a game
Bananabus Mar 9, 2021 @ 8:17am 
Originally posted by Zendu:
they kept the players becoming unhappy even though the teams getting results , ruins every season for me , some dude whineing hes not gettting games . and if i immediately list him the whole teams morale fails , why do they keep including this roleplay garbage in every iteration of the game
Cos its Football Manager dude, part of being a good manager is managing players personalities.
batuhan_23 Mar 9, 2021 @ 11:28am 
Originally posted by bigmattb28:
Looks like someone just conceded a last minute goal to lose a game

first idiot here.
I sadly can't enjoy the game, too. Just wanted to add my observations regarding "scripting" in FM. I've started out fresh two times with my favorite team.. I've stopped playing both times right after the UCL group stage..

In the national league, I didn't concede a single goal, in both playthroughs! Funniest thing about it, I didn't even remotely try! For this reason alone, I simply cannot enjoy this game. There was even a message informing me that I made club history by not conceding for so long.. WITHOUT EVEN TRYING!!!

Guess, I am an accidental defensive genius or something, lol..

In UCL group stage, couldn't win a single game in both playthroughs! What's even funnier here is that I've conceded at least two goals every single time in both playthroughs, while I, as I said, didn't concede at all in national league..

Talk about rubbing it in.. 🤡
spongepudding Mar 11, 2021 @ 10:16am 
pretty annoyed with really really late equalizers
Shaman King Mar 11, 2021 @ 11:53am 
i had a game in third season with Napoli, or it was second season i dont know... i was about to qualify to champions league from 3rd or 4th spot only to get equalised on 96:55 after 5 min added time :D and when i told the referee is rubish FA stay silent :D so bye bye champions league
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