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Pickle Rick 11 ENE 2022 a las 1:50 p. m.
As an Anarchist
First of all I would like to thank everyone who worked to make this game come out. It was very good and the atmosphere was unique! Well done!
Then you have to tell those who wrote the story that wikipedias are free and online. They can read about Anarchy and Anarchists. It is a pity that it seems so clear that they do not even bother to read it.
It must be made clear to you that Anarchy does not have the same meaning as chaos. And it certainly is not the same from country to country.
I come from outside the US. The game suddenly attacks me for my ideas. Ideas that suit the protagonist of the game though.
Therefore, I would suggest not including ideas that you have not studied and read before. Unless the game is NOT aimed at a global audience.
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MILKElikeCAT 12 ENE 2022 a las 2:49 a. m. 
I don't know what you're talking about...
This game appeared on ps4 in April 2019 and started production in 2013.
Le Deflagosseur 12 ENE 2022 a las 5:24 a. m. 
What does the release date have to do with OP's comment? He just means that anarchists in the game are poorly/falsely pictured.
MILKElikeCAT 12 ENE 2022 a las 6:19 a. m. 
There are zombies > road closure > looting of supplies > food shortage > betrayal and snatch of supplies > some people set up camps (take turns to guard day and night) vs only one person outside (basically can't survive) > There are a lot of supplies in the camp, snatch supplies from the weak. The weak, or those who believed in the inherent goodness of human nature, were basically killed.
(Don't you often hear them persuading people or saying nice things when you play? If you do let them see they will shoot you.)

Anarchy but partially surviving have their own order (people inside can also grow food more safely), you have to get food and do something for them in exchange for necessities.
But there was no order outside the camp, and there were many people waiting to snatch supplies, as well as zombies.
So anarchic and chaotic.

This is of course a more difficult game environment for the game.
If there are no zombies, of course, you can grow vegetables and so on, and naturally you don't have to worry about food problems.

"Unless the game is NOT aimed at a global audience." This part is not very clear what you want to express.
Última edición por MILKElikeCAT; 12 ENE 2022 a las 6:28 a. m.
PanzerChan 15 ENE 2022 a las 12:16 p. m. 
I also thought it was so weird that Deacon was so happy to kill Anarchists, or that Anarchists were made out to be some kind of cult of chaos with painted faces and other nonsense. That is NOT what anarchism is. It's not even close. Anarchy does NOT mean chaos! A simple google search could tell you this. That's like presenting atheists as running around with a stylized "A" tattooed on them and being homicidal maniacs because some people believe in deities.

The worst part in the writing of this is that Deacon and Boozer are BIKERS. They ARE Anarchists!!! They are both wearing 1% patches! Meaning the 1% of non-law abiding bikers. Boozer is even wearing an anarchy pin!

I love so much of the writing in this game but as single Google search would have explained what anarchism is. It's like someone who had nothing to do with this game or story wrote in "anarchists" as one of the later game enemy factions. It's like they didn't even look at this game or the characters. It comes out of nowhere and makes ZERO sense.
Paragon Deku 15 ENE 2022 a las 4:42 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por PanzerChan:
I also thought it was so weird that Deacon was so happy to kill Anarchists, or that Anarchists were made out to be some kind of cult of chaos with painted faces and other nonsense. That is NOT what anarchism is. It's not even close. Anarchy does NOT mean chaos! A simple google search could tell you this. That's like presenting atheists as running around with a stylized "A" tattooed on them and being homicidal maniacs because some people believe in deities.

The worst part in the writing of this is that Deacon and Boozer are BIKERS. They ARE Anarchists!!! They are both wearing 1% patches! Meaning the 1% of non-law abiding bikers. Boozer is even wearing an anarchy pin!

I love so much of the writing in this game but as single Google search would have explained what anarchism is. It's like someone who had nothing to do with this game or story wrote in "anarchists" as one of the later game enemy factions. It's like they didn't even look at this game or the characters. It comes out of nowhere and makes ZERO sense.
To be fair it was just some rando band of raiders calling themselves "the anarchists." They were just coopting the name. Deacon has an anarchy symbol on his jacket.
UnlimitedPutrefaction 16 ENE 2022 a las 1:58 a. m. 
It's lack of knowledge on the side of the developers, just like resident evil 4 set in Spain with Mexican accents and vocabulary
an entire Roman legion 17 ENE 2022 a las 7:31 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Wild Frank:
First of all I would like to thank everyone who worked to make this game come out. It was very good and the atmosphere was unique! Well done!
Then you have to tell those who wrote the story that wikipedias are free and online. They can read about Anarchy and Anarchists. It is a pity that it seems so clear that they do not even bother to read it.
It must be made clear to you that Anarchy does not have the same meaning as chaos. And it certainly is not the same from country to country.
I come from outside the US. The game suddenly attacks me for my ideas. Ideas that suit the protagonist of the game though.
Therefore, I would suggest not including ideas that you have not studied and read before. Unless the game is NOT aimed at a global audience.

never have I read such cowfeces.

anarchy is dumb and only kids think it's cool
Paragon Deku 17 ENE 2022 a las 9:03 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Br00talPuke666:
It's lack of knowledge on the side of the developers, just like resident evil 4 set in Spain with Mexican accents and vocabulary
the "spaniard" villains in re4 are all time funniest American perception of another country
Incarnate 17 ENE 2022 a las 11:27 p. m. 
The characters are probably just using the term colloquially as an insult, not from the point of view of someone who's studied political science and read Bakunin, Malatesta, or Goldman.

I mean, I know those obscure names and even I can't explain what they really stand for. It makes sense within the game. Too bad we won't get a sequel, I'd love to see a Michael Malice character.
PanzerChan 18 ENE 2022 a las 7:23 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Incarnate:
The characters are probably just using the term colloquially as an insult, not from the point of view of someone who's studied political science and read Bakunin, Malatesta, or Goldman.

I mean, I know those obscure names and even I can't explain what they really stand for. It makes sense within the game. Too bad we won't get a sequel, I'd love to see a Michael Malice character.
It's a shame to use that as an insult. You don't even need to have studied political science. It doesn't make sense. This game hit so many notes correctly on veteran culture, and biker culture, but they couldn't be bothered to spend an hour and look up what anarchism is (but the main writers and designers knew enough to make Deacon and Boozer anarchists like they would be). This is a sign of horrible communication within the company and/or Ubisoft-tier writing.

The game uses the label "anarchists" for a faction that is just another cult like the Rippers. They even have spies and infiltrators in the late game. They should have named them something imaginary like the Rippers, and it would have been excellent setup for a sequel.

Mikhail Bakunin and Emma Goldman are not that obscure. They are people to learn about if you want to know historical anarchism. Also people like Nestor Makhno. But modern anarchism is like you mentioned with Michael Malice. People can also skim The Anarchist Library if they want to know more.
Ichmag 🔑🌙 18 ENE 2022 a las 9:43 a. m. 
Its whatd happen in irl tho. Bunch of people calling themselves anarchists even though they dont follow actual anarchistic values.

its as if there was a group called "satanists" that did goat sacrifices and people got upset. Itd be more weird if the people in a post-apocalyptic were actually doing anarchy correctly IMO
Última edición por Ichmag 🔑🌙; 18 ENE 2022 a las 2:46 p. m.
PanzerChan 18 ENE 2022 a las 11:21 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ichmag:
Its what happen in irl tho. Bunch of people calling themselves anarchists even though they dont follow actual anarchistic values.

its as if there was a group called "satanists" that did goat sacrifices and people got upset. Itd be more weird if the people in a post-apocalyptic were actually doing anarchy correctly IMO
Iron Mike's camp is doing anarchy correctly; something very close to it since anarchism is a process. Tucker's camp is forced labor. Cope is a hard line libertarian. The militia is authoritarianism.

This game dose some things very smart, but then adds a cult-y group calling themselves the anarchists. It is so out there and tone deaf.
Incarnate 18 ENE 2022 a las 12:11 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por PanzerChan:
Publicado originalmente por Ichmag:
Its what happen in irl tho. Bunch of people calling themselves anarchists even though they dont follow actual anarchistic values.

its as if there was a group called "satanists" that did goat sacrifices and people got upset. Itd be more weird if the people in a post-apocalyptic were actually doing anarchy correctly IMO
Iron Mike's camp is doing anarchy correctly; something very close to it since anarchism is a process. Tucker's camp is forced labor. Cope is a hard line libertarian. The militia is authoritarianism.

This game dose some things very smart, but then adds a cult-y group calling themselves the anarchists. It is so out there and tone deaf.

Ichmag is correct. They could just be calling themselves that to sound cool. There are a lot of posers who invoke ideas or philosophies they don't understand.

Think of it this way. There are people who buy a Ramones shirt at Hot Topic and call themselves "punk" who have no inkling of the culture. There are people who buy surplus military uniforms and pretend to be ex-special forces. There are millions of martial arts instructors who so delusional that they think they could disarm a guy with a Glock.
Player 2 18 ENE 2022 a las 12:26 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por PanzerChan:
Publicado originalmente por Ichmag:
Its what happen in irl tho. Bunch of people calling themselves anarchists even though they dont follow actual anarchistic values.

its as if there was a group called "satanists" that did goat sacrifices and people got upset. Itd be more weird if the people in a post-apocalyptic were actually doing anarchy correctly IMO
Iron Mike's camp is doing anarchy correctly; something very close to it since anarchism is a process. Tucker's camp is forced labor. Cope is a hard line libertarian. The militia is authoritarianism.

This game does some things very smart, but then adds a cult-y group calling themselves the anarchists. It is so out there and tone deaf.

Y'all gotta remember that most people don't understand Anarchism very well at all, hence the misinterpretations of it. It's as Ichmag says, in real life most people don't have an educated understanding of Anarchy and its values. In a more "Mainstream" understanding of Anarchy, absolute chaos and violence is what people think of first, and don't think it's anything other than that. Some people may know it is also an absence of authority, laws, and government, but often equate that with chaos and violence, and sometimes cannibalism. (Hence the absolute disgusting Worship of the Authoritarian State we are seeing so much of these days)

So following that logic as explained in my previous paragraph, how the developers wrote this cult of anarchists fits thematically into the game. A "Post Apocalyptic" society would very likely not understand Anarchy in its educated understanding, at least, not the majority of people. Definitely not the idiotic majority. Note also that Deacon as a character seemingly has more disdain and loathing of the anarchists than he does the Rippers. Which, in my understanding, implies that he hates the group because he seems to understands Anarchy in the true sense, and that those cult marauders are not true Anarchists. You can see these implications in the way he talks about the cult, how he curses them and has no qualms about killing them all. Deacon and Boozer wear anarchy patches and 1%er patches for their bike gang- being one of the few motorcycle clubs that do not follow government or laws. (reminds me of Hell's Angels) That makes a lot of sense as he was an Army Grunt, he would have disdain for The State. and there's another line he says where he hated every minute of being in the Army.

The writing is really well done with these themes, using all the visual and verbal queues throughout. Just gotta pay attention to it closely. Ichmag points it out correctly, the marauders call themselves anarchists with no regard to educated understanding, only using the name in its most vulgar sense.
Awaken 18 ENE 2022 a las 9:50 p. m. 
I enjoy post-apoc and open-world vehicle stuff, so Mad Max really scratched my itch, but that wasn't even a quarter the size of DG. It’s really a hidden gem, and 1 of my favorite PS4 games. :steamthumbsup:
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