Keter realization on the 30

[Hoopla]

What the hell is happening? Check the store info update. I hope they're not doing this just because they felt pressured.

[Monolith]

Originally posted by Staub:

Originally posted by yarrrr:

Wish PM should stop letting themselves get pushed around by these selfish people. It will just empower them further and be encouraged to get even more rowdy.

Guess we should appreciate getting Keter 3 theme and abnormality/ego pages.

The floor was marked as incomplete with a locked abno slot until the ending came out and they just marked it as done when the ending came out while removing said abno slot, people have every right to be unhappy when project moon decides to cut corners, whatever reason they may have for doing so

Maybe it was always intended to be like that

[Acds]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

What the hell is happening? Check the store info update. I hope they're not doing this just because they felt pressured.

Of course they are. As much as I wasn't terribly satisfied with the ending, I think it would have been better to just keep what happened in mind for the next games and avoid it happening again rather than force it like this.

Especially since I don't understand the anger over the lack of Keter realization. The final fight against Roland was it, and it was a very good way to do it. My issue was with the lack of answers and many Chekov's guns that never fired, but Keter realization was fine.

[CarThief]

I'd be fine with the Black SIlence fight being the realization for Kether, just... We never got Kether to full power, we never got the rewards for it, the abnormality/E.G.O pages putting it on par with the other floors.

I think me and many others would be fine with it if PM just gave us a completed Kether for doing that fight. We don't need an Realization, just a complete Floor of General Works.

But if PM does want to go the extra mile, i won't say no. They surely can make something great out of it. Though i don't see how this would progress Angela or Roland's character arcs as floors 1-9 and the Black Silence reception already helped them come to terms with their emotions. If this would even include any story at all to begin with, that is (there are two empty spots on Kether in the Credenza, so who knows).

[Big Cheese Gaming]

they totally do because of the "fans" (the bunch of cûnts),director was considering the Black Silence recpetion as the keter reception

[Alpha Chad]

♥♥♥♥, well I wanted wellcheers but not like this

[taotieh7]

Yeah, I think the Black SIlence fight being the realization for Kether is very apprpriate. The BGM, the stage phases, and its inital position being an exclamation mark at keter floor all stand for it. Keter is pretty special, and I can accept that Roland's memory being the main rythm instead of abnormalities. It's moved to reception now, but I think it's due to replayable issue.
From the perspective of story, it's kind of weird to raise new abonormality and EGO when you can finally seize the light/ want to give the light back to the gusets. However, I can't reject new toys even if I already beat the final bosses. I'm neutral to the topic of completing Keter with EGOs. I just don't hope that PM feel pressured by vituperation and squeeze something to cater for those antis. I'm fine if they just implemnt EGOs for Keter directly.

[snek]

It'll be perfectly fine if they just expand rewards for the BS fight so that you get a 5th abno set and EGO. If it ends up being a total ending rewrite I'm genuinely going to seethe. The skeleton of the ending is functionally fine, it just needs some expansion and more care put into it, it doesn't need a total rewrite.

[Dylan_is_legend]

Well if they deliver with it, I'm perfectly fine with it. It's their game, their choice in the end what they do with it.

[Sebee]

I can see them adding a small animation into the Black Silence reception that shows Roland looking into the Mirror of Adjustment for the 4th/5th phase of his fight, when he summons copies of himself. Heck, even just renaming the copies of Roland to "Mirror of Roland" would work just fine. But if they go so far as to make a completely new encounter for the GW Realization that would be too much IMO.
I hope they don't change anything when it comes to the story, even if it's just my selfish opinion, because I actually liked the ending and don't want it changed anymore than what they already have done. I think that if they do actually add a new Realization, it will impact the ending of the game.

[Finikksu]

Personally I'm fine with the BS fight being the Kether Realization. Maybe make it a bit more obvious.
Like for example on the second part of the Gone Angels stage, make the shades wear the abnos EGO.

What I wanted from before was the final abno and the EGO of kether. To make the floor more viable for mod content in the future. Even if you can't use them on story content after you get them.

I guess I'll just wait to the 30 to see what happens. I just hope people are a bit more understanding of this than of the ending (which I liked before, theme02 and the cg need to be back in some form)

[Fruit Ninja]

Originally posted by yarrrr:

Wish PM should stop letting themselves get pushed around by these selfish people. It will just empower them further and be encouraged to get even more rowdy.

Originally posted by Dylan_is_legend:

Well if they deliver with it, I'm perfectly fine with it. It's their game, their choice in the end what they do with it.

This kind of thing is what I was afraid was going to happen after the 9/11 update. I knew the aftermath of that update would set a bad precedent for some update(s) that would happen after. It sucks that even though it is their game, they can't do what they want with it because there are people that will overreact terribly to their original vision that they had for the game.

[NuclearFire]

Depends on the context of the 5th realization really, will PM pick up plot threads they buried in Lobo Corp or if it will be something that surrounds Roland / Angela. Much of the criticism stems from all the plot lines left forgotten that PM promised to explorer during their various Q&A sessions when Ruina is in the budding stages.

[Hoopla]

Originally posted by NuclearFire:

Depends on the context of the 5th realization really, will PM pick up plot threads they buried in Lobo Corp or if it will be something that surrounds Roland / Angela. Much of the criticism stems from all the plot lines left forgotten that PM promised to explorer during their various Q&A sessions when Ruina is in the budding stages.

They said they'd explore them in the future, they never promised it to be specifically related to LoR. The voice, the light and Iori are all still ongoing plot threads, and obviously gonna get worked around more in the future. The only leftover plot thread from LC I can remember outside of these is Ayin's past, but again that can also be explored later. People being mad acting like this is the end of the explanations because they are making a big narrative instead of laying it all out despite it still being important confused me.

[Sebee]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

They said they'd explore them in the future, they never promised it to be specifically related to LoR. The voice, the light and Iori are all still ongoing plot threads, and obviously gonna get worked around more in the future. The only leftover plot thread from LC I can remember outside of these is Ayin's past, but again that can also be explored later. People being mad acting like this is the end of the explanations because they are making a big narrative instead of laying it all out despite it still being important confused me.

Bro how tf do people expect PM to make more games in the world they've been building up for 2 games if they dont have any open-ended plot points to build those games off of??? Reading half of the arguments against PM in this case makes my brain rot.

[NuclearFire]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

Originally posted by NuclearFire:

Depends on the context of the 5th realization really, will PM pick up plot threads they buried in Lobo Corp or if it will be something that surrounds Roland / Angela. Much of the criticism stems from all the plot lines left forgotten that PM promised to explorer during their various Q&A sessions when Ruina is in the budding stages.

They said they'd explore them in the future, they never promised it to be specifically related to LoR. The voice, the light and Iori are all still ongoing plot threads, and obviously gonna get worked around more in the future. The only leftover plot thread from LC I can remember outside of these is Ayin's past, but again that can also be explored later. People being mad acting like this is the end of the explanations because they are making a big narrative instead of laying it all out despite it still being important confused me.

Allow me to put it this way, say a movie producer got a smashing success on the first movie and now begins preparing the sequel. Then during interviews the producer state in multiple ways that fans can look forward to have their questions answered in the upcoming release. Now imagine what will happen when the released sequel contains few follow up to the first movie. I think it shouldn't come as a surprise when someone made promises they forgot to annul before those promises led to other people handing over their money. It should be noted that while certain criticizers are too passionate and too vengeful, there are also those who made genuine legitimate criticism to plot incoherence as well as gameplay. So really it boils down to through what manners can paying customers made their criticisms known to the developer and how much effort the developer is willing to commit to improve consumer experience.