Some of you are missing the point

[Pebbles]

Preface:
I am not writing all this to argue with anyone. I am writing this because I am scared of ProjMoon's future. As a small indie team, receiving this level of undeserved hate from their fanbase cannot be good to their health. You all need to start recognize what kind of story ProjMoon is writing, and stop enforcing what you want written onto them. You will end up killing this indie team if you cannot learn to see them as who they are, not who you want them to be. Epoche, like Binah said in LC.

Lobotomy Corp's story:
Through countless desperate cycles, you as Ayin face the Sephirots, hold on to hope - in the form of the Seeds of Light - and bit by bit overcome the insurmountable challenge.
"Face the Fear. Build the Future." This isn't just LC's motto. This is the motto of the entire game, and ProjMoon.

Library of Ruina's story:
Angela chases after the one perfect book, blindly believing that it will complete her identity; While Roland swallows his anger in the name of revenge, blindly believing that it will ease the pain he suffered. In both bad endings, we see that "completing the goal" did not bring either of them happiness - in fact, it only furthered their pain and fear, resulting in their deaths.
"A dimwitted egoist whose sight is limited by their own selfishness...A proper fool chasing after immediate results..." Roland doesn't say this after being defeated for no reason. He realizes that both him and Angela walked the same miserable path, and despairs that they are both too late to walk away - which is proven wrong by Angela taking her first step.
In the good ending, both Angela and Roland realize - through the help and lessons from the librarians - that they can just be who they are, that they don't have to "achieve the one perfect goal", that they can find forgiveness and happiness on their own, without relying on a set goal.
The epilogue - which riled up so many people - is a perfectly thematic ending to this story. You face another insurmountable challenge. You are utterly crushed and can just barely hang on. Yet you did not die. The cycle continues, yet you have found both yourself and the hope to overcome the impossible that is the City. The end.

It's....utterly heartbreaking to see so many of the fandom react so negatively to this end. ProjMoon delivered a heartfelt message to their players, and some of you rejected the message because that's not what you want. You all are acting just like Angela and Roland, walking a path of destruction chasing "that one perfect thing".
Please consider reading into the story and the dialogues, the poems which inspired this story (the Translate Team created threads for them), maybe read Distortion Detective and Wonder Lab too, and learn to see this story from ProjMoon's perspective.
I really love ProjMoon, their works, and the fandom. I really don't want to see the fandom killing ProjMoon, or force them into something they aren't. Please.

[AritheReaper]

I'm sure you're gonna get a lotta ♥♥♥♥ for this post, but before any of that happens, just know that I largely agree with you. It really is depressing to see the way some people have been acting since it dropped - and I'm not just talking about the review bombing.

As for your paragraph on the ending itself, as I've stated numerous times, I actually like the ending. I get why some were unsatisfied with it, but in the same vein, that doesn't make the ending as a standalone product bad.

[taotieh7]

I totally second that.
This is the post I want.

[Altidiya]

People need to understand the victory in disempowerment. Survive to a real Claw and Arbiter is a victory by itself, but escapism is more important than theme I see.

[Arnotts]

I just replayed the fight and I killed the claw (apart from the fact everyone is invincible) so they don't even come off as a threat gameplay wise

[【Silver】]

Honestly, like some of the complaints were warranted, but none of the ones regarding dissatisfaction with unanswered expectations. The only two real issues I personally had was the final battle simply being purely cinematic and without consequence (which even then was overpowered by just my on person enjoyment of everything else even with that realization.), and the lack of the Keter floor getting it's final set pieces like the other floors. Which is wholly dismissable by the developers, since it's mainly a personal want.

I loved that we got appearances of ABC corps people, I enjoyed Zena even with how little we have of her, more so that we get Binah's name which I've wanted badly since Lobotomy Corporation. And the cinematics of their engagement with the librarians was just a blast to see with all the effects they went through making for it and such. The ending credits roll pictures were really heartwarming and sweet, the little scene with Roland and Angela discussing future endeavors and such was nice. The discussion with Hana Association and Iori really shouldn't be surprising either, though I suppose if you don't know about anything else the studio is doing, it just comes off as closing our 'visit' to the world of the City with imaginative ideas, like almost any other story does because their world doesn't just end cause the story we've witness is over, although who knows with Ending A.

All in all, game was a damn enjoyable experience (Outside of Red...) and really do hope they continue with their future projects and works.

[Big Cheese Gaming]

this thread needs to grow

[Zagaran]

Agreed. While i have not completed the game yet, i do agree all the same with what i've read. Yes, i've spoiled myself a little, but i care just as much about the journey as i do about the end of it, so i do not see this as having a negative impact on my experience, much less my satisfaction.

That said, this just reminds me of that time Red Hook was attacked by review bombers and whatnot just because they didn't agree with something the company did with the game years ago. Granted, it was something far more petty, an addition to the mechanics than the ending, but i believe the principle still stands that stuff like this kind of feels like the norm, and i find that disturbing. The worst part? The game is not even fully released yet and due to receive more updates and fixes, yet they're already acting in a very toxic manner...

Least we can show those individuals are the minority. Just hope they don't go worse than what they're already doing.

[dragoonbb]

Originally posted by Zagaran:

that will harm them in the long run if they get affected by this... We need to show them our support and care now more than ever. Although that will be difficult, as i suspect those cruel individuals are not one to listen to reason, if not continue with the harassment.

I'm sorry but I have to ask.Why are you talking like project moon are a bunch of children?

[Skye]

I totally agree here. I can't help but feel stingy regarding the Keter realization. I think it's good we're getting it but ultimately I felt it wasn't needed.

Aside from that though, the ending was fine I think. We lost our passive attributions and op pages. The Head really knows a lot of things, and they knew just the right time to step in with their plan.

I think it makes sense too. In the event Angela decided to accept becoming human, they'd have had no reason to step in because they'd recognize her as a full human, with a soul. Due to her decision to have a heart and be compassionate enough to accept being a robot even if it meant starting over, the Head couldn't abide it.

Lets be honest, if we had a fully stacked Binah, Geburah, and Twelve Fixers Black SIlence with some other goodies, the fight would've literally been a piece of cake.

I'd argue this is one of the best endings that could realistically be achieved. If you created a horrific dystopian world where organs were being harvested just to turn enough scratch to survive another day, a good ending would be peace and survival. The main cast get that exactly.

They face an Arbiter, a Beholder, and a Claw while being absolutely fatigued and enervated from fighting the Distorted Ensemble. And despite the overwhelming odds of being assaulted at their weakest point, they manage to band together to fend off the enemies before getting teleported into the Outskirts - The Trash Heap where anything undesirable goes.

If that's not enough, both Roland and Angela have grown considerably over the course of working towards the perfect book, while also reviving everyone who we turned into a book.

I'd say that ending is about as sweet as we can hope for given the nature and harshness of the world.

[snek]

Originally posted by dragoonbb:

Originally posted by Zagaran:

that will harm them in the long run if they get affected by this... We need to show them our support and care now more than ever. Although that will be difficult, as i suspect those cruel individuals are not one to listen to reason, if not continue with the harassment.

I'm sorry but I have to ask.Why are you talking like project moon are a bunch of children?

I think in the west at least, reactions to threats are generally very far flung due to cultural differences. That attitude only got more pronounced after KyoAni since threats and such are far from the norm here, even if that incident wasn't the case people see that and take such threats as a major problem even more after that.
Equal and opposite reaction really.

I just don't want them to do a sudden complete rewrite (that'd likely end up even worse in terms of writing) because of what was mostly asshurt Chinese manchildren spamming death threats and DDOSing PM's website.

[cowpuncher]

I liked the ending. My only complaint is Roland pulling Angela out and her saying the guests that became books would wake up soon. I mean 95% of the books were made from pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ people. Do we really want them back?

[Hoopla]

Originally posted by cowpuncher:

I liked the ending. My only complaint is Roland pulling Angela out and her saying the guests that became books would wake up soon. I mean 95% of the books were made from pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ people. Do we really want them back?

We don't know if she made a distinction on who to revive. She didn't return red mist since that was made inside the library for example, so simalrly she might keep the more dangerous ones dead and simply restore the light they brought.

[Sebee]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

Originally posted by cowpuncher:

I liked the ending. My only complaint is Roland pulling Angela out and her saying the guests that became books would wake up soon. I mean 95% of the books were made from pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ people. Do we really want them back?

We don't know if she made a distinction on who to revive. She didn't return red mist since that was mad subside the library for example, so simalrly she might keep the more dangerous ones dead and simply restore the light they brought.

Considering that the Ensemble were revived, I think it's fair to say that everyone booked, except for Kali are alive again.

I wonder what happened with Love Town...

[Zagaran]

Originally posted by dragoonbb:

Originally posted by Zagaran:

that will harm them in the long run if they get affected by this... We need to show them our support and care now more than ever. Although that will be difficult, as i suspect those cruel individuals are not one to listen to reason, if not continue with the harassment.

I'm sorry but I have to ask.Why are you talking like project moon are a bunch of children?

I didn't mean to make them out that way, but sometimes negative individuals such as the ones we're seeing go above and beyond review bombing and making death threats. Sometimes they go so far as to find their IP and just post it all over. Is it beyond stupid over a game? Yes, but it would make the death threats that much more scary.

Thankfully, such a thing does not happen often... All the same, the possibility does not help my concern for them...

[none]

Originally posted by Sebee:

Originally posted by Hoopla:

We don't know if she made a distinction on who to revive. She didn't return red mist since that was mad subside the library for example, so simalrly she might keep the more dangerous ones dead and simply restore the light they brought.

Considering that the Ensemble were revived, I think it's fair to say that everyone booked, except for Kali are alive again.

I wonder what happened with Love Town...

well, most likely they would suddenly turn into meat paste like the one inside the train after reaching destination.