Why we are angry

[PalAs]

google translated, sorry for my poor English

Before the ending this time, Koreans were satisfied with the project Moon.

But they are angry about the ending. why?

There are two reasons.

First, they found a configuration error.

Jenna said that Garion came not because of the light, but because of Angela.

However, in the previous work, Garion said she came because of the light, and Angela was not made at that point.

Eventually, the principle of action of the head was mixed up, and the plan of light executed by the players became nothing to the head.

Second, the double track for the voice was not recovered.

Project Moon initially mentioned that they would end the story of Robotomi in this work.

The voice was an important subject in the work, and it was the subject of the end of the story that has been passed down by Robotomi.

However, they didn't talk about it and said they would solve it in the sequel.

In the end, Koreans felt that they had broken their promises and thought the story was lacking in completeness.

However, Koreans still love Project Moon.

Koreans believe they will fix the problem, and Project Moon said it would.

Because Koreans love this game, they are criticizing the game for a better direction.

[tekincanaktas]

Thank you for the explanation. Is there any place I can engage in Korean fans that send death threats?

[Araders]

However, this does not explain why most Korean comments contain not deployed criticism and a frank flow of insults in the side of the game.

[snek]

I see, I'm not sure if google translate can put together what I'm saying well, but was it Binah's pre or post-meltdown dialogue that mentioned the attack due to the SoL project? I can see how that might have ended up a writing issue due to that suggesting the Head actually knows about the purpose of the SoL (and if they did, why wouldn't they clamp down far harder on its aftermath?).

At this point the Voice is certainly Carmen, with Angela in Hokma realisation stating she could hear Carmen's voice specifically, that and the dialogue the Voice had with Xiao is similar to what Carmen would say about growing a forest if I remember right.

[PalAs]

Originally posted by tekincanaktas:

Thank you for the explanation. Is there any place I can engage in Korean fans that send death threats?

No death threats this time

[tekincanaktas]

Originally posted by seonwo3:

Originally posted by tekincanaktas:

Thank you for the explanation. Is there any place I can engage in Korean fans that send death threats?

No death threats this time

Thank you for reply. If you come across anyone that is too angry at PM you can send them to me. Some comments over last days cross the line and will only make things worse for PM. PM can't really improve things under such stress.

[ZONE]

Can the part which have no voice be adjustmented?Actually i'm disappointed with the battle with jenna,
The library was in the most weektime,but the head also not strong,
I think maybe they are not as strong as the philharmonic society.

[Hoopla]

Originally posted by seonwo3:

Jenna said that Garion came not because of the light, but because of Angela.

However, in the previous work, Garion said she came because of the light, and Angela was not made at that point.

Where was this stated? I checked back on dialogue and Binah never states she was sent because of the experiments, at least not that I could find back in Lobotomy corporation, we simply assumed it was the light, it's called a twist, and they didn't say she came because of Angela herself as if she was there, it was because she was in the plans to be made in the future, she showed interest in EGO, but for all we know, that was her own personal stake in raiding the place, much like how Zena had self interest in bringing back Garion to life.
What she says is that those on the outside of lobotomy corporation cannot be fought alone.

Originally posted by seonwo3:

Second, the double track for the voice was not recovered.

Project Moon initially mentioned that they would end the story of Robotomi in this work.

The voice was an important subject in the work, and it was the subject of the end of the story that has been passed down by Robotomi.

However, they didn't talk about it and said they would solve it in the sequel.

The voice was not directly stated to be causing anything, for all we know it was meant to be something that merely represented Carmen's presence still being around. In Library of ruina we figure out she is not just a metaphorical voice, but an actual entity pushing people to distort. The reason it's not expanded upon is most likely because they intend to keep her circumstances a mystery, and her reasoning and work on them in future games. Distortions will become central to the narrative, and so we'll see the voice pop up a lot more.

Also they stated the characters from LC would not be main characters anymore, not that they would entirely cease being important.

[PalAs]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

Originally posted by seonwo3:

Jenna said that Garion came not because of the light, but because of Angela.

However, in the previous work, Garion said she came because of the light, and Angela was not made at that point.

Where was this stated? I checked back on dialogue and Binah never states she was sent because of the experiments, at least not that I could find back in Lobotomy corporation, we simply assumed it was the light, it's called a twist, and they didn't say she came because of Angela herself as if she was there, it was because she was in the plans to be made in the future, she showed interest in EGO, but for all we know, that was her own personal stake in raiding the place, much like how Zena had self interest in bringing back Garion to life.
What she says is that those on the outside of lobotomy corporation cannot be fought alone.

Originally posted by seonwo3:

Second, the double track for the voice was not recovered.

Project Moon initially mentioned that they would end the story of Robotomi in this work.

The voice was an important subject in the work, and it was the subject of the end of the story that has been passed down by Robotomi.

However, they didn't talk about it and said they would solve it in the sequel.

The voice was not directly stated to be causing anything, for all we know it was meant to be something that merely represented Carmen's presence still being around. In Library of ruina we figure out she is not just a metaphorical voice, but an actual entity pushing people to distort. The reason it's not expanded upon is most likely because they intend to keep her circumstances a mystery, and her reasoning and work on them in future games. Distortions will become central to the narrative, and so we'll see the voice pop up a lot more.

Also they stated the characters from LC would not be main characters anymore, not that they would entirely cease being important.

In Binah core suppression& Project moon said it was a mistake in recent QnA

Voice=Invitation=cause of many events

And what we want is not the whole answer about voice, but part of the truth that we could understand the story

[Hoopla]

Originally posted by seonwo3:

In Binah core suppression

Voice=Invitation=cause of many events

And what we want is not the whole answer about voice, but part of the truth that we could understand the story

Where in the core suppression? Do you mean the floating text during it happening, or the cutscene? The text is essentially her taunting you about how the head will destroy what he wishes to do if he's not careful thanks to the project and Angela, so it's not really lying.
The head doesn't understand how the light works because Angela destroyed the process, and thus there was no breaking of the cycle of suffering, as nobody was fully cured of the disease of the mind. And another text during the suppression states that if she had known the power the lab held, she could have taken it for the head to use, so they were not aware of what was going on and it's potential entirely.

I can agree what I would have liked to know a bit more about the voice however, but I guess they want to keep it secret for now, and be elaborated upon as the story moves forward.

[PalAs]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

Originally posted by seonwo3:

In Binah core suppression

Voice=Invitation=cause of many events

And what we want is not the whole answer about voice, but part of the truth that we could understand the story

Where in the core suppression? Do you mean the floating text during it happening, or the cutscene? The text is essentially her taunting you about how the head will destroy what he wishes to do if he's not careful thanks to the project and Angela, so it's not really lying.
The head doesn't understand how the light works because Angela destroyed the process, and thus there was no breaking of the cycle of suffering, as nobody was fully cured of the disease of the mind.

I can agree what I would have liked to know a bit more about the voice however, but I guess they want to keep it secret for now, and be elaborated upon as the story moves forward.

floating text

Project moon said it was a mistake in recent QnA

I added what project moon said

https://fusetter.com/tw/RuV95XAX#all

[Hoopla]

Originally posted by seonwo3:

floating text

I added what project moon said

https://fusetter.com/tw/RuV95XAX#all

Yeah, I remember seeing this translated, that still doesn't say they assaulted the place for the experiments, only that they didn't make it clear enough that Angela's creation was already planned and being done in conjunction with other wings, thus making them guilty of attempting something against the rules in the future.
The floating text never really said why she attacked the place, only that his bold actions would result in the head destroying all he has built, never saying which part of his "actions" she was talking about, thus Angela. If the head knew the light was going to rupture the environment it had cultivated, then maybe the project would have alarmed it too, but that isn't the case.

[PalAs]

Originally posted by Hoopla:

Originally posted by seonwo3:

floating text

I added what project moon said

https://fusetter.com/tw/RuV95XAX#all

Yeah, I remember seeing this translated, that still doesn't say they assaulted the place for the experiments, only that they didn't make it clear enough that Angela's creation was already planned and being done in conjunction with other wings, thus making them guilty of attempting something against the rules in the future.
The floating text never really said why she attacked the place, only that his bold actions would result in the head destroying all he has built, never saying which part of his "actions" she was talking about, thus Angela. If the head knew the light was going to rupture the environment it had cultivated, then maybe the project would have alarmed it too, but that isn't the case.

Damm It's really hard to explain with english.

The qustion was " is it right binah attaked lobotomy because of angela not light?" in korea.

And they answered "no it was my mistake. I wanted to say about angela and other corp, but there is a logical leap."

[Hoopla]

Originally posted by seonwo3:

Damm It's really hard to explain with english.

The qustion was " is it right binah attaked lobotomy because of angela not light?" in korea.

And they answered "no it was my mistake. I wanted to say about angela and other corp, but there is a logical leap."

I'll trust your word on it I guess, though the translation doesn't really give that impression.

[CarThief]

Hm... Bit of a plothole, huh. Them claiming they came because of Angela, but she wasn't even made then, and while the Beholders probably can find out a lot, its questionable if they could foresee Angela's creation or read minds.

So either that's poorly explained, or it's a bit of a writing error. And if it's because of A's (future?) actions, that's even more poorly explained, or confusing if we take Zena's explanation for it.

Well, kind of hoping for a Mass-Effect type rewrite on the ending now (possibly/if need be as DLC), but that's probably too much to ask for, for a better ending... Maybe as 100% completion reward or something like in LC.

Still a pity it had to end on such a weak note, though. At that point it's hardly even sequel-baiting, it's just "nope, bad guys win, series over, GG".

[Clarity]

From my understanding, Binah talked about the events of the Lab involving Cogito, ending her sentence with Hod confessing everything to the Head, never mentioned anything about Angela since that's pretty much all she knows.
Judging by Angela's or Ayin's flashbacks, it makes us think she was made in Lobotomy Corporation (Hell, they had the resources and help they needed as a Wing) in order to begin the cycles of the script, since after all, originally, her creation involved multiple wings, so you could wonder, why would wings care about a small lab in the first place?
So I'm assuming that's why they're thinking on deleting Zena's dialogue about the reason of The Head's attack.

What bothers me about this whole thing is that, if they assaulted the Lab, located in the outskirts, apparently because of an AI... Then why send the AI back to the outskirts instead of destroying her?