Why not Book of Something?

[Minh]

The Carnival were ordered; Full-Stop Office were threatened; Musicians of Bremen don't care about Full-Stop Office; Et c.etera.

[Terratrox]

You mean why aren't they coming if you offer a Book of Something? Because that's not what the Invitation needs to entice them to show up. If the Invitation isn't given the books it needs, it can't manipulate people into the Library. Sometimes it's because they want something specific, other times it's the obvious threat that people are attracted to. Some fights later on require books on VERY specific topics in order to get people to sign the Invitation.

[yarrrr]

A worthless book isn't going to attract anyone. Regardless of the invitees' motive, a valuable book is needed for the invitation to appear in its destination.

[Minh]

We must use valuable Books according to the game but we should use Book of Something according to the plot. Some Guests were ordered / threatened to go. They don't care about which Books. Why bet valuable Books that we might lose?

[yarrrr]

You probably missed out Angela's explanation at the beginning of the game since you're overthinking this

Angela: "The invitation will be naturally sent to those who need the books."
"The invitations will guide me towards the one book that I truly wish to obtain"
"And sometimes, the invitation may turn red according to the books you’ve registered."
"A red invitation indicates that it can be sent to the special guests who will unravel the next part of the story."
"Until we register the books that match what the red invitation wants, our journey will be halted for a bit."

This means the invitation requires valuable books in order to be sent out magically by the Library's power towards guests of similar worth. Book of Something will just get you Rats and other nobodies and the protagonists won't get anywhere

Roland: "But there’s no guarantee that the guest will always respond to the invitation, right?"
Angela: "They’re destined to come. And the guests will accept the invitation of their own will and enter the Library."

Which means there's no forced scenario, everyone made their own choice to accept the invitation. Carnival could just refuse Yan's forged orders and Full-stop can just accept their death

Katriel: "whenever we try to go there ourselves, the invitation to the Library just vanishes"
Kalo: "We tried acquiring it through our subordinates, and claiming it from others with force, but nothing worked…"

You also can't force it out of others, implying that the invitation has a will of its own which also supports that it's a requirement to use valuable books to make the invites work, and why it doesn't disappear when Yan gave the invitation to the Carnival.

[Minh]

Invitation chose that Book of Something is only for Rats. Sending it again will get more Rats. I wish it can be used for some other Guests because they were forced. They don't care which Books. They're destined to come? So it's fatalism but in their views, it looks like it's not. Should be another reason to use Book of Something but Invitation doesn't want to use it for other Guests even though they're forced to go & their fate is to go no matter the Books.

[yarrrr]

Originally posted by Minh:

Invitation chose that Book of Something is only for Rats. Sending it again will get more Rats. I wish it can be used for some other Guests because they were forced. They don't care which Books. They're destined to come? So it's fatalism but in their views, it looks like it's not. Should be another reason to use Book of Something but Invitation doesn't want to use it for other Guests even though they're forced to go & their fate is to go no matter the Books.

They were forced into the situation, yes, but they were never forced to make the choice.

Also the invitation doesn't choose what books are needed, it just needs specific books to go to certain guests like a formula. If Book of Something is only capable of going to Rats then obviously the book doesn't have sufficient 'influence' or 'power' to go to a more unique guest

[SmallGespenst]

I think it's a matter of equivalence, for an invitation to reach someone, you need to offer an equivalent value in books. also you choose the books before the invitation is sent, you can't exactly take it back to change it after it's already in their hands

[Minh]

Originally posted by yarrrr:

Originally posted by Minh:

Invitation chose that Book of Something is only for Rats. Sending it again will get more Rats. I wish it can be used for some other Guests because they were forced. They don't care which Books. They're destined to come? So it's fatalism but in their views, it looks like it's not. Should be another reason to use Book of Something but Invitation doesn't want to use it for other Guests even though they're forced to go & their fate is to go no matter the Books.

They were forced into the situation, yes, but they were never forced to make the choice.

Also the invitation doesn't choose what books are needed, it just needs specific books to go to certain guests like a formula. If Book of Something is only capable of going to Rats then obviously the book doesn't have sufficient 'influence' or 'power' to go to a more unique guest

So it's not about whether Guests want the Books / not but it's about needing Books to go to Guests? Proof?

They were never forced to make the choice? They were destined to come. Is it same to being forced without them realizing it?

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by yarrrr:

They were forced into the situation, yes, but they were never forced to make the choice.

Also the invitation doesn't choose what books are needed, it just needs specific books to go to certain guests like a formula. If Book of Something is only capable of going to Rats then obviously the book doesn't have sufficient 'influence' or 'power' to go to a more unique guest

So it's not about whether Guests want the Books / not but it's about needing Books to go to Guests? What evidence support this?

They were never forced to make the choice? They were destined to come. Isn't it akin to being forced without them realizing it?

It's more accurate to say that the Invitations and the force behind it manipulate situations such that individuals are more or less forced to come to the Library. They get put in awful situations like Full Stop or the Carnival, or their superiors are manipulated such that they are ordered to go. Then the invitation just so happens to offer an escape, or anything their bosses would want from the Library. At that point, you go or you die. (or worse)

[Minh]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

I think it's a matter of equivalence, for an invitation to reach someone, you need to offer an equivalent value in books. also you choose the books before the invitation is sent, you can't exactly take it back to change it after it's already in their hands

This makes some sense. Don't know why you send Book of Gyeong-mi Stray Dogs to the Carnival. It's irrelevant. They don't need it. They were forced. Use Book of Something but it just invites the Rats if you must send a Book.

[yarrrr]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

I think it's a matter of equivalence, for an invitation to reach someone, you need to offer an equivalent value in books. also you choose the books before the invitation is sent, you can't exactly take it back to change it after it's already in their hands

This makes some sense. I really don't know why you send Book of Gyeong-mi to the Carnivals. It's irrelevant. They don't need it. They were forced. If you must send a Book, send something cheap / free like Book of Something. Sadly, in the game, it just invites the Rats.

That's not for you to decide (Rather, when did it say they're not interested?)

In fact they do need it. By WILLINGLY accepting the order to head to the library, they also WILLINGLY accept that the books provided are important for the mission, thus they actually need it.

[yarrrr]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by yarrrr:

They do need it. By WILLINGLY accepting the order to head to the library, they also WILLINGLY accept that the books provided are important for the mission, thus they actually need it.

What? Why do the Carnivals / Prescripts need such a thing? It's some random Books.

Do you want the proxies to raid your home if you deny the prescripts?

[Minh]

Originally posted by yarrrr:

Originally posted by Minh:

What? Why do the Carnivals / Prescripts need such a thing? It's some random Books.

Do you want the proxies to raid your home if you deny the prescripts?

No. It says go to the Library Of Ruina. It didn't say anything about getting a Book or specifically, a Book of Gyeong-mi Stray Dogs.

[yarrrr]

Originally posted by Minh:

Originally posted by yarrrr:

Do you want the proxies to raid your home if you deny the prescripts?

If I remember correctly, it just says go to the Library. It didn't specifically say anything about a Book of Gyeong-mi

Prescripts are known to be ambiguous, so anything can be done to fulfil it.

Book of Gyeong-Mi just happen to be part of the invitation, because it was valuable enough to be able to invite the Carnival. What they do with the books afterwards doesn't matter, but the Carnival did say they're curious about the books

[Minh]

Originally posted by yarrrr:

Originally posted by Minh:

If I remember correctly, it just says go to the Library. It didn't specifically say anything about a Book of Gyeong-mi Stray Dogs

Prescripts are known to be ambiguous, so anything can be done to fulfil it.

Book of Gyeong-Mi just happen to be part of the invitation, because it was valuable enough to be able to invite the Carnival. What they do with the books afterwards doesn't matter, but the Carnival did say they're curious about the books

What about The Musicians of Bremen?