About the ensemble key pages and combat cards

[shotonite]

This is my first discussion and I wanted to talk about the new cards and pages while giving my opinion of them.

Phillip's Key Page and Rekindled Strike is really great. As far as I can tell, you can reduce Blazing Strike cost as long as you keep using it meaning potentially you can use it more frequently. I think it offsets the emotional requirement of Blazing Strike as you use Rekindled Strike and when the time comes, Blazing Strike can easily be used. I like Burn decks so hes a great addition to my team.

Eileen's Key Page and Ever-Spinning Gearwheel, honestly the greatest combo. Not only is it a great source of smoke gain and infliction but its also not exclusive meaning you can use it on any other builds (Though only having 1 copy does limit it). I never used smoke builds much as I never was fond of it. But thanks to Eileen's page, I can use smoke more confidently. (Is it me or with the right build Eileen is OP?)

Greta's Key Page and Mince, It compliments her and other bleed builds. The attack isn't the greatest yet its not the worst. But personally, I think this card just works for her mostly. Greta's page itself isn't the worst either, looking at its HP and Stagger Resist shes the tankiest but the drawback is that her Resistances are normal (You can remedy this by using Harold/Olivier's passive that changes resistances). Overall, Good page and Great for Bleed.

Bremen's Key Page and Chorus, a great debuffer and great to okay combat page. Nothing much to say for Bremen other than hes a debuffer. The combat page is really strong. While it sucks that it loses its effect after using it once, i still think its powerful when used in the right circumstances. Maybe when the enemy is about to Mass Attack, using this page guarantees everyone gets a +1 offensive power. Even when it loses its effect the rolls on the page is still okay to be honest.

Oswald's Key page and Let's Have Some Fun~, Its a weird passive but powerful. The drawback is that it only affects combat pages with 3 or more different types of dice in the page. But I reckon with the right build, he'll be having +1 power and damage every time. His combat page however, depending on how you view it. It's either okay or useless. I think its still useful however, 4 Light from a 2 cost is quite a light regen. But it can be argued that Will of The City is better. I don't know, maybe you guys can come up with a way to effectively use the card.

Tanya's Key page and Beatdown, after thinking about it a lot her page is a bit underwhelming. The only thing that stands out is her unique passive. Which is awesome, as its basically a revive. Other than that theres not much going on. Her combat page on the other hand, is unique and i think there's potential. It can guarantee a clash win as the rolls are super high and all remaining dice on the combat page of the opponents lose 5 power when clashing against it. I see it as both an offensive/defensive move as it reduces the damage of any oncoming attacks on that page. (Emotional Turbulence comes to mind).

Jae-Heon's Key Page, Puppet Strings and Ghghgh. A unique key page as it gives one ally Unrelenting until they reach 1 HP or Jae-Heon dies. This is an interesting passive and combat page as kind of gives Jae-Heon a supporter role(Kinda). I like it however, using it on Chesed's Floor means the chances of survival in that floor became higher. On the other hand, Ghghgh is sadly underwhelming and more useless than Oswald's combat page. I first thought it can be used as a damaging card with passives that give boosts to Blunt but the Purple Tear's Blunt Pages just works better with Blunt builds. Maybe there's a use for it who knows?

Elena's Key Page and Bloodspreading. I like it honestly. Its gimmick is not restrictive like Oswald and helps her survive a lot. Combining her passive with powerful attacks meaning she's better suited to go on the offensive. Restoring 3 or more HP for the buff isnt too difficult either as Elena herself restores 2 HP per hit. Using this with the Anton's or Valerie's passive that restores Stagger means that shes quite the unkillable monster. (Or use Lyla's Health Hauler passive). Her mass attack page is great and compliments her greatly. Plus the rolls on it are amazing.

Pluto's Key Page and Suspicious Contract. I think it's really good. Reducing 2 pages cost by 1 and giving it +1 Power at the cost of 4 HP is honestly powerful with the right cards. You can easily restore health using Lyla's passive. Or using Mika's passive with his combat page. By itself is just an okay defensive card as it reduces damage from 3 attacks. But if it gets discarded, Pluto restores 1 light. It works super well with discard decks as its not unique to Pluto. (My discarding Olivier deck will profit over this)

And lastly, Argalia's Key Page and his unique combat pages. The key page itself is well-built for his combat pages. Plus you take no range damage or stagger damage whatsoever. He's really powerful except for the fact his Vibration passive is really strict. Vibration only stacks up to 7 so giving Argalia any more haste than 1 could hinder his potential as his speed is naturally 4-6. Its also quite hard to utilize Vibration as it needs to be the same number as your speed hence the weakness of giving him more speed. Though this can be offset a bit by using other combat pages than his own to remedy his inconsistent passive.
Resonant Scythe is okay, it's just a really good 2 cost page for Argalia. Trails of Blue on the other hand is powerful. Tempestuous Danza is either underwhelming or really powerful. If Argalia has a lot of Strength or Power gain than it can easily shred through the enemies combat page, health and stagger (Staggered enemies will receive a lot of damage from this mass attack). But without it, It is just okay at best.

Overall, I think the rewards you get from the reception is great. It could use a bit of tweaking or add a bit more but by itself it is worth it.

Please discuss about it more, I would like to know your opinion about the pages.

[DoT]

Argalia's Vibration passive sucks , his cards suck tbh, hes very underwhelming to use especially compared to every other color

Pluto's passive doesn't work well with his combat page lmao

Elena = OP Healing

Jae-Heon's passive is cool, but his combat page = weaker then creak, its so bad

Tanya is just immortal

Oswald just spams strong dice, another character whose combat page doesn't even work with him lmao

Bremen = pretty cool debuffer, cool combat page

Greta passive is bleed power, page is pretty good, until you realize you don't really need it to inflict a ton of bleed

Eileen = most op

Philip Is just rekindle spam

To be honest only a few of the rewards are nice, but overall its pretty underwhelming ngl, IMO atleast, not in terms of fire power, but in what we got in general

I just hope next week they give us a few more pages to use, they don't have to be op, just more options to play with would be fun, feels like fighting yan and only getting his mass attack combat page

[Sebee]

I'n not sure if this is just me, but I can't proc the +1 strength from Elena's Passive, do you have to actually have lost health in order to get the +1 strength or am I just reading the passive incorrectly?

[Rabbit]

Yea

Some pages almost feel urban nightmare

Pluto page feels like a Rat page canard

XD

Make sense since we hear about him first in that chapter

[Yhune]

Originally posted by Sebee:

I'n not sure if this is just me, but I can't proc the +1 strength from Elena's Passive, do you have to actually have lost health in order to get the +1 strength or am I just reading the passive incorrectly?

Seems that's the case, I tried building Elena, and could have built her for Malkuth while fishing for loyalty, if we had gotten despair stigmatize.
Now I haven't found a niche for her, maybe Binah with that one page that gives 1~2 strength and endurance per min roll and deals damage to the librarian.

[changb1]

Originally posted by The Chazz:

Argalia's Vibration passive sucks , his cards suck tbh, hes very underwhelming to use especially compared to every other color

Pluto's passive doesn't work well with his combat page lmao

Elena = OP Healing

Jae-Heon's passive is cool, but his combat page = weaker then creak, its so bad

Tanya is just immortal

Oswald just spams strong dice, another character whose combat page doesn't even work with him lmao

Bremen = pretty cool debuffer, cool combat page

Greta passive is bleed power, page is pretty good, until you realize you don't really need it to inflict a ton of bleed

Eileen = most op

Philip Is just rekindle spam

To be honest only a few of the rewards are nice, but overall its pretty underwhelming ngl, IMO atleast, not in terms of fire power, but in what we got in general

I just hope next week they give us a few more pages to use, they don't have to be op, just more options to play with would be fun, feels like fighting yan and only getting his mass attack combat page

Agreed on Eileen and Elena being OP, still compared to other-worldly powerful like PT or Nicolai 100% still not as valuable.

Philip isn’t half bad as well, but compared to Xiao with her fancy EGO combat pages and wildfire spreading capabilities, no contest who’s the stronger page.

Hoping we get more combat pages though, exclusive or not, feels like we deserve more :(

[Grey Rebl]

Roland be holding our books and pages hostage, like bruh. I just wanted that upgraded stigmatize.

[Jinlunch]

Originally posted by Sebee:

I'n not sure if this is just me, but I can't proc the +1 strength from Elena's Passive, do you have to actually have lost health in order to get the +1 strength or am I just reading the passive incorrectly?

I find that Desperate Struggle works really nicely on her since on use you take 5 damage which you will almost fully heal if both of it's decently high dice for the 1 light cost hit.

[Wanderer312]

Kizuna on Elena works pretty well. You can combine that with Rememberance and Lone Fixer for some absurd power stacking.

[Sebee]

Originally posted by Wanderer312:

Kizuna on Elena works pretty well. You can combine that with Rememberance and Lone Fixer for some absurd power stacking.

This is a good work around for a consistent free +1 strength. I will be using this from now on...

[shotonite]

Originally posted by Sebee:

Originally posted by Wanderer312:

Kizuna on Elena works pretty well. You can combine that with Rememberance and Lone Fixer for some absurd power stacking.

This is a good work around for a consistent free +1 strength. I will be using this from now on...

It really is, I will be experimenting with Elena a bit more

[shotonite]

Originally posted by The Chazz:

Argalia's Vibration passive sucks , his cards suck tbh, hes very underwhelming to use especially compared to every other color

Pluto's passive doesn't work well with his combat page lmao

Elena = OP Healing

Jae-Heon's passive is cool, but his combat page = weaker then creak, its so bad

Tanya is just immortal

Oswald just spams strong dice, another character whose combat page doesn't even work with him lmao

Bremen = pretty cool debuffer, cool combat page

Greta passive is bleed power, page is pretty good, until you realize you don't really need it to inflict a ton of bleed

Eileen = most op

Philip Is just rekindle spam

To be honest only a few of the rewards are nice, but overall its pretty underwhelming ngl, IMO atleast, not in terms of fire power, but in what we got in general

I just hope next week they give us a few more pages to use, they don't have to be op, just more options to play with would be fun, feels like fighting yan and only getting his mass attack combat page

I guess that is the reason why some of the pages are not unique, Pluto's contract and Oswald's Combat Page can be used and utilized on other builds.

I agree that it's underwhelming but at the same time they need to be careful on which combat page to reward as some can break the game (Tanya's Overspeed could be a problem).

Argalia's passive and cards do need a bit of work. I think they should just utilize the pages from his fight. Not all the cards, just ones that can fully exploit Vibration.

I enjoy using the pages regardless. More builds to come up.

[Ekimmak]

I did wonder if Elena could be useful on Geburah's floor, since that has "Fear of Water", and she's basically a full faced Nosferatu. But then I realised that the self-damage is 2, minimum. So she'd be bleeding health quite quickly, unless you got her Vampirism and Health Hauler to go along with it (it's easier to test viability of only red pages, or only green pages, not both)

Smoke pages were pretty good for breaking into Star of the City from the Urban Nightmare fights, but they kind of fell behind. Elena looks like she might change that, though: turn into a single target sniper with the likes of Vapour to go along with Ever-Spinning Gearwheel. I just wish she had kept the inherent evade die, but I guess she was already crammed with passives.

I understand why Puppet Strings doesn't trigger Hana for All: it's because the buff comes from a status, and the combat page is what inflicts it. Still slightly sad. I feel like one-use for Chorus is a bit too strict: maybe give it an internal cooldown or something.

I think making a stable Oswald deck means only half of his pages will be able to benefit from Splendid Performance: cheap light restore/page draw never go past 2 combat die, let alone diverse die. But if you put him on Tiphereth's floor, and were somehow able to game Hatred so that you keep getting 3 losses per turn, you could have something to make Lies/Curiosity look like a joke.

Tanya could definitely make use of the RRR passives with her instarevival, and her unique beatdown page lets you power through someone with a single hit, and not care about any other die they may have. But one page and one passive don't make a character. I guess she would be good for trying to beat Crying Children solo without retaliate on floors that don't lend themselves well to it, but that's more a gimmick.

Greta seems a bit underwhelming, but that's just at a glimpse. I imagine if you have Mince combined with Snake's Prey, you could rack up some severe bleed stacks and then pound someone with Disgorge Innards. But I'd need to experiment to find the right level of page draw/light restore.

Argalia is a bit too luck based. He's very good at single target demolition, but relies on luck with the page drawn and "on hit" effects. Also a bit glitchy, I see his vibration stacks jump all over the place. I do like Trails of Blue, though. Could use that to slam down a die that's counting on getting a good power boost.

These pages all seem a bit empty compared with Star of the City, but I imagine that's because we need to fill them up.

[shotonite]

Originally posted by Ekimmak:

I did wonder if Elena could be useful on Geburah's floor, since that has "Fear of Water", and she's basically a full faced Nosferatu. But then I realised that the self-damage is 2, minimum. So she'd be bleeding health quite quickly, unless you got her Vampirism and Health Hauler to go along with it (it's easier to test viability of only red pages, or only green pages, not both)

Smoke pages were pretty good for breaking into Star of the City from the Urban Nightmare fights, but they kind of fell behind. Elena looks like she might change that, though: turn into a single target sniper with the likes of Vapour to go along with Ever-Spinning Gearwheel. I just wish she had kept the inherent evade die, but I guess she was already crammed with passives.

I understand why Puppet Strings doesn't trigger Hana for All: it's because the buff comes from a status, and the combat page is what inflicts it. Still slightly sad. I feel like one-use for Chorus is a bit too strict: maybe give it an internal cooldown or something.

I think making a stable Oswald deck means only half of his pages will be able to benefit from Splendid Performance: cheap light restore/page draw never go past 2 combat die, let alone diverse die. But if you put him on Tiphereth's floor, and were somehow able to game Hatred so that you keep getting 3 losses per turn, you could have something to make Lies/Curiosity look like a joke.

Tanya could definitely make use of the RRR passives with her instarevival, and her unique beatdown page lets you power through someone with a single hit, and not care about any other die they may have. But one page and one passive don't make a character. I guess she would be good for trying to beat Crying Children solo without retaliate on floors that don't lend themselves well to it, but that's more a gimmick.

Greta seems a bit underwhelming, but that's just at a glimpse. I imagine if you have Mince combined with Snake's Prey, you could rack up some severe bleed stacks and then pound someone with Disgorge Innards. But I'd need to experiment to find the right level of page draw/light restore.

Argalia is a bit too luck based. He's very good at single target demolition, but relies on luck with the page drawn and "on hit" effects. Also a bit glitchy, I see his vibration stacks jump all over the place. I do like Trails of Blue, though. Could use that to slam down a die that's counting on getting a good power boost.

These pages all seem a bit empty compared with Star of the City, but I imagine that's because we need to fill them up.

I agree with you on some points.
Chorus could be improved like using it every 3 scenes will activate the effect or etc.

Tanya is just built to survive more and more. I think combining Rudolph's Survivor and Reindeer Passive will make her more powerful as she loses HP.

Greta is underwhelming but she's made to bleed people. Plus her health combine with Harold/Olivier's passive ensures her survivability is greater.

Eileen made me like smoke alot more. She doesn't need any changes.

Argalia's Vibration effect really is inconsistent. I think they can add to it a bit more.
Make it so putting Vibration on the enemy regardless if it's not the same amount of Speed of Argalia is still worth it.
Maybe it should like Fragile.

I think the reason why it's built like this is because we have other librarians to support the others.
Meaning even a meh key page can be useful in a team composition.

Still I would like to see any changes happened. I just don't want it to be broken.

[Daijin]

I think every keypage is fine besides Tanya, Bremen, and Argalia. Tanya's passive is just some failsafe that you don't really need if you actually use your brain cells, Bremen is too RNG, Argalia is just so bad compared to all the other colors.

[Yhune]

I would love if Bremen had kind of this change, add a passive that works with chorus, that is any of the 3 heads that give an effect to chorus.
For example, Dog would be feeble to all enemies (Prob 1 Feeble.), Chicken would be Give +1 Strength to all Allies and maybe Donkey deals either absurd amount of stagger damage or its an single target debuff, for example first die giving paralysis next scene, second die giving feeble and disarm next scene and third die giving bind next scene.

I would've loved something like that, also Chicken and Dog would be combat start and Donkey just on hit.
Thoughts?

On another note, I would use Jae heon in Geb floor, give geb puppet strings and Gebura gets pretty much a free revive, combine it with shell and enjoy having a Geb that might never die.