Library Of Ruina

Library Of Ruina

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Hoopla Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:20am
Surprisingly meh key pages?
Roland talking about how their books were next level made me think we were getting some stuff on the tier of the last floors of Star or the ones from Hana association, but they're surprisingly only okay tier?
I guess it's to try and bring some semblance of balance, but it's a little weird in terms of gameplay + lore narrative.
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Daijin Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:32am 
The Key pages are very good imo but I seriously expected more combat pages honestly ESPECIALLY PHILIP'S MASS ATTACK WHY PM?!!!!111
Dima green Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:33am 
Ah yes, endgame balance. They are certainly preparing us for that one last story invitations(since after Liu were release they tweeted that there are going to be 16 more story invites)
Alpha Chad Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:33am 
when the contract is SUS
:captainclown:
Starakira Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:33am 
I'm kinda feeling that too, but at least they all come with Nuovo Fabric, which is a very good passive.
Nanubot Mar 12, 2021 @ 6:25am 
Well, you got new ways to beat Finn at least.
none Mar 12, 2021 @ 6:31am 
the combat card from Jae-hoon is just sad. truly a fail one like, it just normal block and Blunt card without any effect.
Dylan_is_legend Mar 12, 2021 @ 6:46am 
Philips is a better version of Cry Child, Eileen is a stronger Smoke Key page, Greta synergises very well with hods floor, Musicians I'd say are a weaker one but Have good potential as an anti boss due to the debuffs. Oswald is alright though a little harder to build for, Tanya revives on death with 100 HP, Puppeteer is an alright support that could go well on chesed's floor, Elena gets strength when she heals even a paltry amount of her health, Pluto I think is one of the weaker ones, and Argalia is immune to ranged and as long as you use his gimmick properly he's strong. Yeah I get the lack of pages though.

Not everyone needs to be Nikolai tier.
none Mar 12, 2021 @ 7:11am 
Originally posted by Dylan_is_legend:
Philips is a better version of Cry Child, Eileen is a stronger Smoke Key page, Greta synergises very well with hods floor, Musicians I'd say are a weaker one but Have good potential as an anti boss due to the debuffs. Oswald is alright though a little harder to build for, Tanya revives on death with 100 HP, Puppeteer is an alright support that could go well on chesed's floor, Elena gets strength when she heals even a paltry amount of her health, Pluto I think is one of the weaker ones, and Argalia is immune to ranged and as long as you use his gimmick properly he's strong. Yeah I get the lack of pages though.

Not everyone needs to be Nikolai tier.

Oswald is good on Malkuth Floor since there is Happy Memories and many of the good 3+ dice type combat card usually cost 3 and up. Pluto is a nice page as attributed passive for other page. Tanya's worth is more on the Beatdown card rather than the passive in my opinion. if you add myo prowess on her, you could basically give enemy 5 feeble and could just choose the one with the lowest dice to target.
Sleempreem Mar 12, 2021 @ 8:27am 
A lot of the keypages feel pretty meh to me. Greta's keypage has no resistances, in return for having 20 more base hp for some reason? Their passives aren't terrible, but not much reason not to just passive transfer them to someone else. Phillip's was the biggest disappointment for me. Overheat makes him want to be on fire, but he has no passive like xiao's that makes him immune to burn damage. I guess it's supposed to be part of his theme? Self destructive in return for more power? (just +1 though. To offensive die.)
Yhune Mar 12, 2021 @ 8:42am 
Tried Philip and Bremen so far, I love them.
Shame about the low amount of combat cards, anyway here's my Bremen magic:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2422397098

Forgot to mention, I love Bremen sounds, they're pretty silly.
Last edited by Yhune; Mar 12, 2021 @ 8:43am
changb1 Mar 12, 2021 @ 9:18am 
Key pages are okay in terms of power I guess, would say I expect more, and a bit disappointed with visual (hoping Philip have the idle burning effect for his key page), still quantity makes up for quality so mediocre update for me.
CarThief Mar 12, 2021 @ 9:26am 
I've been looking for some fun synergies but didn't find many. So yeah, could've been better, but still, that's 10 key pages with 4 starting light and high speed rolls, that's nothing to scoff at, either.

Tried using Puppet Strings with Mirinae, but alas, no strenght/endurance sharing from that one (despite involving a card). Put Pluto on my Hokma heal/buff team though, since with Health Hauler and the tankiest/healiest floor in the game, those Contract boosts aint no issue.

I've also put Elena there, since you can only have 4 Health Haulers, so now all 5 can heal on hit. And heal from One Sin bro. And heal from Baptism. Jesus, that's a lotta healing.

Hm... Also thought it fun to put Emergency Resustication Protocol on Tanja, to make her the world's beefiest key page reviving twice with 100 HP each. I should put Survivor on there, good Lord, that would be nasty.

Well, in any case can't complain about the fun new tools we've been given. Though the general-use cards from the ensemble are both a smidge underwhelming given the many potential good but not broken cards we could've had, and stupidly annoying to get more of.
changb1 Mar 12, 2021 @ 9:59am 
Originally posted by CarThief:
I've been looking for some fun synergies but didn't find many. So yeah, could've been better, but still, that's 10 key pages with 4 starting light and high speed rolls, that's nothing to scoff at, either.

Tried using Puppet Strings with Mirinae, but alas, no strenght/endurance sharing from that one (despite involving a card). Put Pluto on my Hokma heal/buff team though, since with Health Hauler and the tankiest/healiest floor in the game, those Contract boosts aint no issue.

I've also put Elena there, since you can only have 4 Health Haulers, so now all 5 can heal on hit. And heal from One Sin bro. And heal from Baptism. Jesus, that's a lotta healing.

Hm... Also thought it fun to put Emergency Resustication Protocol on Tanja, to make her the world's beefiest key page reviving twice with 100 HP each. I should put Survivor on there, good Lord, that would be nasty.

Well, in any case can't complain about the fun new tools we've been given. Though the general-use cards from the ensemble are both a smidge underwhelming given the many potential good but not broken cards we could've had, and stupidly annoying to get more of.

Maybe PM is being a bit too conservative with these “fun new tools”

Most pages we get are fused with passives that provide power +1~2, not that impressive seeing how ubiquitous power ups are.

Gold pages before general invites except for Harold, all seemed to have unique skillset or signature characteristics.(or at least when they are introduced)

For Objet Da’art IMO, would say most of the assemble are too bland to be qualified.
Last edited by changb1; Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:08am
AritheReaper Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:33am 
I honestly think we just need to give the community a little more time to see what they can do with them first, before considering exactly how many changes they need. I'm already finding some pretty wacky and/or busted uses for them without even having all of their combat pages.
Last edited by AritheReaper; Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:38am
Hoopla Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by nine431:
The real reward is key page story, tbh. Haven't read most of it yet, but i feel like it will make me cry at some point.
They're fairly tame honestly, it's basically everything we already knew about them, explained yet again but in book form, just more direct than before. I'd kinda wish it was more the lore surrounding them and not just a repeat of what we already read from their dialogue.
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Date Posted: Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:20am
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