Exclusive Page Transfer

[Dexsteria]

I haven't seen this idea posted on another discussion yet so I wanted to throw it out there.

I've now just finished the main story up this point (2/11), and have found it a bit saddening that some of these great or cool pages like "Rip Space", "Trash Disposal", "Uncanny Strike", and "Boundary of Death" as examples aren't seen anymore because the key pages for them aren't viable in the later story.

So I thought, maybe, when one passive transfers a key page, their exclusive pages unlock for that set. In some cases I can see this being overpowered for instance with R-Corp. But I also think it would be relatively fair because to use the one page you would be using a full passive transfer slot which may not matter in some cases as you might be using their attributions anyways, hence R-Corp due to charge synergy builds.

I know some are exclusive because they have special animations with the page, but maybe they could switch looks when performing it much like when using abnormality pages.

Idk, wanted to have it out there. Seems too much of a shame to have some of these pages just be left in the dust after you have a better key page.

[Sebee]

So I thought, maybe, when one passive transfers a key page, their exclusive pages unlock for that set. [/quote]
All I read and YES

[AritheReaper]

Mm. Could be an interesting incentive to attribute higher rarity pages, though like you said, it immediately runs into the issue of having unique animations. No idea how that'd balance, either, lol.

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

Could be an interesting incentive to attribute higher rarity pages, though like you said, it immediately runs into the issue of having unique animations

If it works with appearance projection, it will work here too, so that's not an issue.

[Dexsteria]

Originally posted by Flygoniaks:

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

Could be an interesting incentive to attribute higher rarity pages, though like you said, it immediately runs into the issue of having unique animations

If it works with appearance projection, it will work here too, so that's not an issue.

That’s fair, it just get a little janky that way in terms of looks is all.

[Morrowsaw]

Meh I think that having incentives to run lesser pages in order to utilize their exclusives is good enough as is.

While yes pages like Rose might fall behind (And they can certainly still beat current content no problem) you have pages like Boris. Who are perfectly viable as is but, would lose their entire quirk entirely if you could simply attribute them. (And since Grit costs 2 as it wouldn't be hard to do so)

I personally like it how it currently is.

[Ratohou]

personally i think this is going to simple break the game more than it is already, placing trash disposal in everyone can make the entire game a joke. this can only be placed in a scenario that we can only have 1 gold page per floor os something like that or their buff more and more the recepctions that we are taking.

[Flygoniaks]

I'd say that most Key Pages with exclusives are still good, even if they no longer have the best stats. BoD Yujin, Rip Space Rose, and Blazing Strike Crying Children are all quite useful.

I also suspect that it's Project Moon's intention for each exclusive attack to remain viable until the end of the game. That's my theory for why they weren't introduced until chapter 5.

The only ones whose viability is in question is the Sweepers ("Trash Disposal") and Sen/Lesti for additional "Rip Space" decks. Perhaps we should test these to see if they're usable?

[Dexsteria]

hmm, now reading there are heavy issues in balance with certain pages. Namely the fact they don't imposed burn limit like the key pages themselves, the Sweeper page namely due to the massive amount of pages that could be transferred. Along with there generally high power that does indeed keep the page itself viable even in I find the key page lacking.

Might just be the way I prefer running with receptions having a powerhouse floor and lacking support in the others.

More thought will be needed.

[fairtoki]

Originally posted by Flygoniaks:

I'd say that most Key Pages with exclusives are still good, even if they no longer have the best stats. BoD Yujin, Rip Space Rose, and Blazing Strike Crying Children are all quite useful.

I also suspect that it's Project Moon's intention for each exclusive attack to remain viable until the end of the game. That's my theory for why they weren't introduced until chapter 5.

The only ones whose viability is in question is the Sweepers ("Trash Disposal") and Sen/Lesti for additional "Rip Space" decks. Perhaps we should test these to see if they're usable?

Agreed with Flygoniaks.

i find most of them (Urban nightmare and abrove) still useful, Nemo, Yujin, Rose, Crying simp Philip, even more useful than R corp.
i can use Rose build Rip space fight Yan and Xiao with no problem. (not even use abrove Urban nightmare passive)
Nemo on Tiph floor still good
Yujin got her meme buff with Oliver, Hell she has >250 max hp, you don't need to build a <25% hp, build a hp regen and she is another boss floor.

Most page only con is slightly lower Hp and Stagger resist(about 8-12)

[bgammax]

Yeah Yujin's page is uniquely useful because of how Rapid Gashes interacts with Overbreathing. You don't really run BoD though, simply because as funny as it is you'd have to inherit one of the strongest pages in the game.
But as fairtoki noted give her a little sustain and put her on Netzach's floor and Yujin can be a monster.

I've tried Lesti's page before but it quickly devolved into spamming Overcharge into Rip Space to keep their buff active. Wasn't terrible but only acting about 2/3rds of the time is a pretty big downside.

Its also easy to forget that non-golden pages have uniques, like Miris and Chun's Flaming Dragon Fist. Or Bada's Devastating Thrash that make them viable alternatives once all the power pages are being used, some of which are balanced simply by being on weaker pages.

[CarThief]

Last time i suggested it, people lost their ♥♥♥♥. Still think being able to transfer over "exclusive abilities" would be a good thing. Many pages are completely ignored because they have nothing to contribute anymore.

And there's no reason to deny yourself the IMMENSE boost in HP and SP not to mention starting with FOUR LIGHT to use some outdated, low-rolling exclusive. Most exclusives are kind of meh or garbage anyway. I mean, 4 light for an ability you can get for a good enough version for 3 Light instead?

Why have Nemo's face-beam when you can have any high-roller that follows up with a block dice? Or replace it with Deep Drag to get that beefy +35% damage on the target?
The only thing some exclusives contribute is having Mass Attacks, but given their immense cost and often lacking rolls, it's not that great. Often gets outperformed by new key page exclusives anyway.

Granted, i never was big on mass-attacks given their immense cost, no emotion coin gain, and low payout unless you're able to hit 5 people with it. It's rare there's a good one that can eat up all the enemy pages.

So it would definitely be fun if we had the ability to transfer exclusive abilities. Perhaps just a simple...
"Exclusive Ability: [Card Name]", with varying cost depending on the exclusive's power.
Does got a bit against calling them "exclusives" but a little more power to beat the insane missions wouldn't go amiss. Perhaps "Special ability" is a better way to word it?

Edit: Or instead of being just one card, it could allow the use of several exclusive cards. Just imagine what good some of them, like Yan's exclusive cards, could do in the right hands. Should his keypage ever get outdated.
Or if you want that fancy flaming dragon kick from Mei but don't want to put up with her now sub-par light and HP/SP stats.

[Morrowsaw]

Eh that's assuming you're stacking one floor literally from head to toe with every key page currently in the game. I feel that it's intended for pages to keep what makes them unique so that they can remain relevant if you want them.

Wanna run a power null based deck? Boris is a good start.
Wanna run a more aggressive Charge deck with something other then leap as the draw engine? Rose is unique in that.


Not every page needs to be upped to be viable or able to complete the current content literally at all. Stacking gold pages and encouraging it is to me one of the worse things they could do to kill the variety in decks and pages.

[【Silver】]

Personally, I still enjoy trying to make use of key pages with unique assets to them since it adds an interesting challenge and flavor to battles. Not that I've ever really been a fan of Yujin thanks to that disabled speed die.

One of the newer passives given to us in Impurity is also great for helping cover some of the resistance weakness those key pages may have too.

[CarThief]

Considering it'd be impossible to actually beat the Hana Association or Yan and difficult to nigh-impossible to beat Xiao with my "C-team"/3rd-best team or worse, that's quite some merit for the argument/idea of being able to make use of long-useless pages by equipping their exclusive pages in some way.

So yeah, for progress' sake, it'd be mighty handy. Gotta admit it's fun to have a "B-team" but that's that, just for fun. Ah, fun times, making a power-stacking + sustain Floor of Religion. With x1 buff-sharing, x3 self-buffing and one person handing out buffs via you-know-who's page.

[Morrowsaw]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Considering it'd be impossible to actually beat the Hana Association or Yan and difficult to nigh-impossible to beat Xiao with my "C-team"/3rd-best team or worse, that's quite some merit for the argument/idea of being able to make use of long-useless pages by equipping their exclusive pages in some way.
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I mean your mileage might vary? I've got like 5 teams that can beat the current content as is. Even Oscar can be plenty handy and valuable as long as you make him with a goal in mind.

It feels like pretty serious hyperbole to say that any old page is outdated when all they really lack is health/stagger res, and otherwise perform as well as anything else.