Fighting Red Mist in modern times

[Tatters]

So, long story short: ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up my save because I'm a dumbass, have been playing through the whole game from the start again cause I might as well. I've encountered a rather frustrating roadblock: Kali AKA The Red Mist AKA that lady who Gebura used to be.

I originally fought RM before the counter die nerf, as well there are reports that comboing lies+curiosity is really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard now. I have no idea how to fight RM without access to good 'ol Chad Roland, as that clearly isn't an option anymore, so I come here seeking advice.

I looked for resources about how to do it but everything I find either has negative amounts of provided information on the actual strategy or are old chad roland builds/videos (some of the videos don't even show what passives you use).

(for the record, even comments with little to no information are from before the counter die nerf, thus rather outdated)

[AritheReaper]

I mean...the same strategies, really? You could abuse fairy/lock with Binah, you could use learn on General Works for some funny haha memes, you can go debuff crazy on Hod's floor, so on and so forth. Nerfed Red Mist is the exact same fight, just...easier.

[Tatters]

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

I mean...the same strategies, really? You could abuse fairy/lock with Binah, you could use learn on General Works for some funny haha memes, you can go debuff crazy on Hod's floor, so on and so forth. Nerfed Red Mist is the exact same fight, just...easier.

You are doing exactly what I just complained about people doing.
I don't know this means to abuse Binah's floor that you're referring to and there's no information being provided about the other strategies you bring up either. The only setup I've been able to find any info for was the old Chad Roland builds.

[AritheReaper]

Uh, "abuse Binah" mostly just means "use Binah." The unique status effect on her cards, Fairy, does damage equal to the stacks you have on a target every time that enemy rolls a dice. So it's basically bleed, only it proccs with every dice roll, rather than just offensive ones, on top of only decreasing in stacks at the end of a round. Lock, when timed correctly, lets you temporarily hold off the Red Mist's mass attack, while Chain lets you seal a speed dice.

So you spam Degraded Pillar and Degraded Fairy to stack fairy on her, causing her to lose health every turn regardless of who wins clashes, try to use Lock at the right time to stall the mass attack, and maybe occasionally throw out Chain if you're worried about her speed dice/have light to spend.

Binah's deck in general is just...really, really good for the fight, especially since Fairy's an amazing status effect (that only she gets access to). There's not any special setup for it, it just means that Binah becomes available during this battle, and she's just...really good at countering Kali. That's what "abuse Binah" means.

[Tatters]

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

Uh, "abuse Binah" mostly just means "use Binah." The unique status effect on her cards, Fairy, does damage equal to the stacks you have on a target every time that enemy rolls a dice. So it's basically bleed, only it proccs with every dice roll, rather than just offensive ones, on top of only decreasing in stacks at the end of a round. Lock, when timed correctly, lets you temporarily hold off the Red Mist's mass attack, while Chain lets you seal a speed dice.

So you spam Degraded Pillar and Degraded Fairy to stack fairy on her, causing her to lose health every turn regardless of who wins clashes, try to use Lock at the right time to stall the mass attack, and maybe occasionally throw out Chain if you're worried about her speed dice/have light to spend.

Binah's deck in general is just...really, really good for the fight, especially since Fairy's an amazing status effect (that only she gets access to). There's not any special setup for it, it just means that Binah becomes available during this battle, and she's just...really good at countering Kali. That's what "abuse Binah" means.

To be fair, I never thought to use Binah against Kali, mostly because Chad Roland still worked at the time but also because you can't really level up her floor much prior to Red Mist. That and a lot of Binah's cards are kinda bad for most receptions. I'll give it a shot, though.

[AritheReaper]

Nah, Binah's main strategy in every fight is to just spam Degraded Pillar and Degraded Fairy. Most of her deck's great for every reception due to how utterly busted Fairy is, and how nice it can be to seal a speed die - it's mostly just Lock that sucks in 90% of receptions. If it helps, Degraded Pillar's first die can also destroy Onrush's die & that single die unique card she has, guaranteed. Good luck.

[taotieh7]

make RM feeble and paralyzed
cultivate her emotion level to 5 before her HP reaches 350
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1664y1f7eu

Mei:
-2 Respiration
-1 Improv Drumming
-4 Puppet Skeleton
Nemo:
-2 Mind hauler
-1 Improv Drumming
-1 Oinkie!! Oink!!!
Rose:
-1 Bzzz Bzzz
-1 Improv Drumming
-1 Meow Meow~
Gloria:
-2 Remain Vigilant in Peace
-4 Fervor
-1 Oinkie!! Oink!!!
-1 Bzzz Bzzz

I think it would be much easier to beat her via teamworks after counter dice nerfing.

[BrownianMotion]

Its not that hard, you can just cheese with floors of full-stop passives + 3x overcharge on everyone after getting her to half hp.

[Big Cheese Gaming]

Binah ez win

[henry1234562]

The feeble strategy is the best way to defeat her. She doesn't have any chance to do anything. And that build works on any floor, so you can build exact same deck on 3 floors in case some how you lose one or two floors, which i think is very unlikely.

The deck is just full of feeble combat pages. Use about 4 feeble per scene, and you can win every clash with ease.

[Leviathan]

Either use Binah and make sure Kali didn't lower the cost of her green cards, or use another floor, make her manifest E.G.O., and then when the first floor gets wiped bring in Binah. Make sure to use Lock on Kali on the turn before manifesting/first turn(if she's 2nd floor) so Kali runs out of light after she uses Horizontal, which causes her to stagger within a few turns as she won't be able to use enough cards to deal 40 damage even if she lands all hits. Honestly after she staggers post-E.G.O. she's a free kill since she attacks so much and you can stack so much Fairy with Binah on that single turn that she eats through her own HP.

Now that counter dice don't recycle(unless it kills???? until they fix it ig), and Kali doesn't have counter dice in her cards, the first floor could be something like Malkuth with a Liu loadout to burn her HP down in one-sided attacks, and a single ranged page to eat up her counter die, or maybe Yesod for the paralysis and stagger damage from Regret.

[Minh]

Attributed Key Pages Emma's Key Page, A Puppet, Page 2’s Key Page, Tenma Shi Assoc.iation - S.outhern Branch, Sec.tion 2 Fixer's Key Page, Meow's Key Page, Alloc’s Key Page, A Workshop-affiliated Fixer’s Key Page, Oink’s Key Page, Gyeong-mi Stray Dogs's Key Page, Zulu Stray Dogs's Key Page.

Passive Attribution Passives In Use High-level Acrobatics, Lion's Fist, Puppet Skeleton, Respiration, Meow Meow~, Bzzz Bzzz, Solidarity, Oinkie!! Oink!!!, Restfulness, Deep Breaths.

Combat Pages (Cards) x3 To Overcome Crisis, x3 Deep Drag, x3 Loss of Senses.