Ending thoughts (Spoilers)

[Noxxilous]

While im sure this has been said before, and you're all tired of hearing it, the ending just didnt sit right with me, and while i dont condone the review bombing, i can understand *why* it happened, because the ending seriously didnt seem to fit with what the story had set up, why reverse every action the characters take like its some Deus ex Machina, everyone goes home alive like nothing happened, it just makes their struggles look trivial, because it never mattered, the only "consequence" the Library ever actually faced was it being removed from the city. In my opinion, i believe the final choices Roland and Angela make ARE GOOD FOR THEM whereas it concerns the story, but the story after that just...falls off so flat its jarring, the final fight with the head was lackluster and left me with a bitter taste of defeat, because it didnt follow the gameplay rules and just railroaded you into a "stalemate" even though you really never had a chance and the whole "fight" was for narrative, which is a TERRIBLE way to end the actual gameplay section of the game, on top of the actual ending which, while sort of satisfying, didnt do the game itself justice. And (While i cant confirm this) i hear somewhere that this was the end of Roland and Angela's story (and i guess the sephira) and that the next game would have a completely different cast of characters.


EDIT: The contents of this post arent intended to be hateful, just figured id say this considering how volatile the community is over this topic.

[Ratohou]

but they have planted the seed of light in everyone in city, this is said in the fight against angela, so in the end their original purpose has been archived.

[Altidiya]

I don't understand how being revived is the same as being retconed in the mind of people.

Yes, people is alive, but this people not only experience dead but much of their social order was breaked by the Library. Yan Distorted OUTSIDE the library but BECAUSE the library, Xiao leaves her position as Director of Section 1 because the library and the pulse between Index and Thumb happens to.

Not only that, there are two Colors dead, and Oswald to, with the merry band of Blue Sicko killing a lot of people with power outside the library and that people don't will be back, even the Warp Train fiasco is BECAUSE the library (Elena and Jae attack the first class for orders of Argalia) but happen OUTSIDE it.

People reviving is not "nothing happen", there happen a lot of things that matter outside the Library but will not happen if the library wasn't there.

[Bob the Weab]

I mean sure people are brought back to life
But it's like the Thanos snap. Not everything is right.

Urban Star incidents
>We might have another Red mist strolling out somewhere like a fish out of water considering she's not in this timeline
>Distorted Yan as someone said
>Thumb took immense amount of damage and casualties without the Library
>Index and Liu took some heavy beatings too, maybe less on Index

>Lots of Fixer Offices were probably abolished or destroyed, see Zwei
>Night Awl is probably still absolutely destroyed due to pissing off the Thumb
>W corp monstrosities are out there, and people have a lot of explaining to do if they reappear on the world or on trains
>Emma and Noah distorted and out there somewhere alongside Philip
>In general a lot of distortions and EGO


Though my issue with the ending has always been "We don't see enough of Roland reflecting on himself and everything and how he forgave Angela". But in the end, it wasn't as if they got away from everything. Now for sure Roland has cut off any connection he has with others. Angela is back to square one and to be honest is just as sucky as her not starting this entire thing.

Do you want them to be more punished in that sense?

And yeah the final fight is a bit annoying in that sense. But eh, at that point I treat the previous fight as the true final fight

[Izzy]

Originally posted by Weab of Tsushima:

>Emma and Noah distorted and out there somewhere alongside Philip

Uhh, but we finally killed Philip when he came back with the Distorted Ensemble, right? Why are you mentioning him then?

[AritheReaper]

Originally posted by Izzy:

Originally posted by Weab of Tsushima:

>Emma and Noah distorted and out there somewhere alongside Philip

Uhh, but we finally killed Philip when he came back with the Distorted Ensemble, right? Why are you mentioning him then?

Yeah, Phillip is likely gone. The Noah and Emma parts remain true, though.

[Izzy]

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

Originally posted by Izzy:

Uhh, but we finally killed Philip when he came back with the Distorted Ensemble, right? Why are you mentioning him then?

Yeah, Phillip is likely gone. The Noah and Emma parts remain true, though.

Yea, also Yan and other abnos are out there. Well, at least Xiao died as a human, so she'll probably be fine.

[Noxxilous]

Originally posted by Weab of Tsushima:

I mean sure people are brought back to life
But it's like the Thanos snap. Not everything is right.

Urban Star incidents
>We might have another Red mist strolling out somewhere like a fish out of water considering she's not in this timeline
>Distorted Yan as someone said
>Thumb took immense amount of damage and casualties without the Library
>Index and Liu took some heavy beatings too, maybe less on Index

>Lots of Fixer Offices were probably abolished or destroyed, see Zwei
>Night Awl is probably still absolutely destroyed due to pissing off the Thumb
>W corp monstrosities are out there, and people have a lot of explaining to do if they reappear on the world or on trains
>Emma and Noah distorted and out there somewhere alongside Philip
>In general a lot of distortions and EGO


Though my issue with the ending has always been "We don't see enough of Roland reflecting on himself and everything and how he forgave Angela". But in the end, it wasn't as if they got away from everything. Now for sure Roland has cut off any connection he has with others. Angela is back to square one and to be honest is just as sucky as her not starting this entire thing.

Do you want them to be more punished in that sense?

And yeah the final fight is a bit annoying in that sense. But eh, at that point I treat the previous fight as the true final fight

I guess you're right, but the way Roland and Angela end up by the end of it just feels wrong, and i dont see how they could make a sequel with them in, while they're not even near the city, so it kind of cuts off the path for them.

[AritheReaper]

Originally posted by Noxxilous:

Originally posted by Weab of Tsushima:

I mean sure people are brought back to life
But it's like the Thanos snap. Not everything is right.

Urban Star incidents
>We might have another Red mist strolling out somewhere like a fish out of water considering she's not in this timeline
>Distorted Yan as someone said
>Thumb took immense amount of damage and casualties without the Library
>Index and Liu took some heavy beatings too, maybe less on Index

>Lots of Fixer Offices were probably abolished or destroyed, see Zwei
>Night Awl is probably still absolutely destroyed due to pissing off the Thumb
>W corp monstrosities are out there, and people have a lot of explaining to do if they reappear on the world or on trains
>Emma and Noah distorted and out there somewhere alongside Philip
>In general a lot of distortions and EGO


Though my issue with the ending has always been "We don't see enough of Roland reflecting on himself and everything and how he forgave Angela". But in the end, it wasn't as if they got away from everything. Now for sure Roland has cut off any connection he has with others. Angela is back to square one and to be honest is just as sucky as her not starting this entire thing.

Do you want them to be more punished in that sense?

And yeah the final fight is a bit annoying in that sense. But eh, at that point I treat the previous fight as the true final fight

I guess you're right, but the way Roland and Angela end up by the end of it just feels wrong, and i dont see how they could make a sequel with them in, while they're not even near the city, so it kind of cuts off the path for them.

They're reopening The Library, and it's highly likely that they'll come back since Angela's speech at the end was about how she was starting to want to change The City like Ayin did.

[Nocturnal Pie]

Originally posted by Izzy:

Originally posted by Weab of Tsushima:

>Emma and Noah distorted and out there somewhere alongside Philip

Uhh, but we finally killed Philip when he came back with the Distorted Ensemble, right? Why are you mentioning him then?

Clearly Philip just ran away again. He's good at that.

[Noxxilous]

Originally posted by Nocturnal Pie:

Originally posted by Izzy:

Uhh, but we finally killed Philip when he came back with the Distorted Ensemble, right? Why are you mentioning him then?

Clearly Philip just ran away again. He's good at that.

With everything that has been said here in mind, im pretty sure the entire Ensamble is dead

[Sieg]

Except we had a Book of Philip, and every Book was unraveled back into the guest

The Unstable Book of the Crying Children in Urban Nightmare was made from 95% of a Philip. The other 5% ran away and regenerated back into a whole seperate Philip outside the Library.

We later killed the second Philip, but the logic of the revival would bring back the first, incomplete Philip. And I bet he's having a GREAT time.

[AritheReaper]

Originally posted by Sieg:

Except we had a Book of Philip, and every Book was unraveled back into the guest

The Unstable Book of the Crying Children in Urban Nightmare was made from 95% of a Philip. The other 5% ran away and regenerated back into a whole seperate Philip outside the Library.

We later killed the second Philip, but the logic of the revival would bring back the first, incomplete Philip. And I bet he's having a GREAT time.

Possibly, though as far as I know, nothing is confirmed. That being said, he likely is dead, what with his character arc reaching its conclusion & the Library's whole "lets people go to attract more people" shtick probably not translating into new versions of the person. Still, anything can happen.

[CarThief]

Hm, maybe i misread the ending, but didn't it indicate that all the guests (even the uninvited ones) where returned to the City, albeit more randomly then intended due to Roland interfering with the process to prevent Angela from being wholly absorbed by the Light?

That should mean blue boi and his ragtag gang is still out there, but if Carmen isn't there to guide them any further they'll probably drop pursuing the Library and do other things. Though what is debatable is what state they where dropped in. Their wholly distorted stage, their pre-distortion stage? The earliest semi-distorted moment we've seen them in the story?

It's also questionable what state Xiao, Yan and others where dropped in. Along with the state of the WARP-train passengers, though personally, i'd like to think the Light is able to give them back their original bodies/minds, especially since they weren't made that way due to the Light and E.G.O/Distortions, whereas it might be more hesitant (or unable) to undo the events of the Distortion/E.G.O, as it kind of is tied to the user's state of mind and the Light itself. Though i suppose it's no guarantee, and it could end up with a bunch of monsters roaming around.

Though... I don't think we'd be seeing a Red Mist copy roaming about. That one was tied to the library, disappearing if it ever tried to leave, wholly made of Light and bound by the same restrictions to stay in the Library, just like Angela and the librarians.
If anything, Xiao might be the next Red Mist-esque to-be Colour, being the only one to come out of it with realized E.G.O.

(The others being Distortions, which given their destructive nature tend to be struck down. Even the controlled ones like the Ensemble may be struck down for the acts they've intended to do towards the City, and the damage they caused, considering the Head doesn't take kindly to a Colour going rogue. Though nothing would stop them from simply setting up shop and living in the Outskirts. They sure got the power/means to survive there.)

And as the other guy said, plenty of things that won't be reverted, people may have been safely ejected from the library, but their location is unknown, for all we know they got booted into the Outskirts by the Library when Roland intervened. Not to mention how anything in Nest L has been booted to the Outskirts by the Head. Though that place was thoroughly screwed up anyway in the war for control of it.

[Araders]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Hm, maybe i misread the ending, but didn't it indicate that all the guests (even the uninvited ones) where returned to the City, albeit more randomly then intended due to Roland interfering with the process to prevent Angela from being wholly absorbed by the Light?

That should mean blue boi and his ragtag gang is still out there, but if Carmen isn't there to guide them any further they'll probably drop pursuing the Library and do other things. Though what is debatable is what state they where dropped in. Their wholly distorted stage, their pre-distortion stage? The earliest semi-distorted moment we've seen them in the story?

It's also questionable what state Xiao, Yan and others where dropped in. Along with the state of the WARP-train passengers, though personally, i'd like to think the Light is able to give them back their original bodies/minds, especially since they weren't made that way due to the Light and E.G.O/Distortions, whereas it might be more hesitant (or unable) to undo the events of the Distortion/E.G.O, as it kind of is tied to the user's state of mind and the Light itself. Though i suppose it's no guarantee, and it could end up with a bunch of monsters roaming around.

Though... I don't think we'd be seeing a Red Mist copy roaming about. That one was tied to the library, disappearing if it ever tried to leave, wholly made of Light and bound by the same restrictions to stay in the Library, just like Angela and the librarians.
If anything, Xiao might be the next Red Mist-esque to-be Colour, being the only one to come out of it with realized E.G.O.

(The others being Distortions, which given their destructive nature tend to be struck down. Even the controlled ones like the Ensemble may be struck down for the acts they've intended to do towards the City, and the damage they caused, considering the Head doesn't take kindly to a Colour going rogue. Though nothing would stop them from simply setting up shop and living in the Outskirts. They sure got the power/means to survive there.)

And as the other guy said, plenty of things that won't be reverted, people may have been safely ejected from the library, but their location is unknown, for all we know they got booted into the Outskirts by the Library when Roland intervened. Not to mention how anything in Nest L has been booted to the Outskirts by the Head. Though that place was thoroughly screwed up anyway in the war for control of it.

There is a theory that, for example, Yan was distorted until he hit the library and, accordingly, after the revival remains distorted. It is difficult to say whether everything will reversal for people who returned from the library.
But for example, if a person restored on the basis of information from his book, then he must remember what happened in the library before his death and have EGO
if it is available.

[Sieg]

Blue boi and his gang were already revived, and were then killed for real. Every guest in the game explodes into pages on death, as do librarians - it is the process of getting booked

The Ensemble are the first guests revived (being the most recent additions) and have custom death animations where they DIE die.

No character but the Distorted Ensemble has a death animation where they are not booked.