[Suggestion] Make Battle Symbols less grindy?

[CarThief]

To cut to the point, I'm suggesting that overall, with some exceptions, battle symbols...
-Should perhaps be unlocked on a floor-wide basis if the requirements are met.
-And some particularly difficult symbols should perhaps be unlocked library-wide.

Worst case scenario? You gotta do it 10 times, not a 100. Once per floor. This also resolves the issue where units who are locked into certain key pages cannot accomodate for and earn certain Battle Symbols. Some exceptions could exist like "survive the Reception of X", of course. Along with Battle Symbols that are unique to one character and cannot be shared.

It would also be reasonable for when the conditions require something only one unit can do per attempt, such as killing a specific unit. Or having a specific Object D'Art key page equipped or attributed.

---

Though personally, I'd prefer seeing the unlock conditions be the same or slightly harder, but you'd get them library-wide. Just like how you unlock a key page appearance for everyone to use once you accuire the page.
Part of me would also love to see Abnormality/E.G.O battle symbols given to all floors, so everyone can equip them visually, but I could see why'd that clash in some cases.

On that note, there are some symbols that are just to gruelling to attain. Such as Rose's hat, which requires you to fail Rip Space with 10+ Charge, from what I heard about a 1% chance.

In theory it'd ask you to perform the action in atleast a 100 battles until you stand a chance to attain it. Seriously. A hundred battles. You likely won't even use Rose's page for that long with how better things come along quite fast.

There are probably some others I missed that also have absurd requirements, but yeah, please look into it and make them a bit more statistically possible.

[DukeKL]

Is it even possible to have Rip Space fail at 10 charges, I think there was a patch note addressing how it wouldn't fail at 10 charges or something way back when.

[CarThief]

I think someone did the match in the English subforum in one of the Battle Symbol threads, and it was a 1% to fail at 10 Charge. Needless to say that's 99% chance to fail at getting the hat, took them 2 hours they said? They must've gotten really lucky with those odds.

Sounds like hell even if you where to do something like give x3 Overcharge (for instant 10 Charge) and x1 Rip Space, with some "draw 1 card if you didn't act" and other draw passives and repeatedly do a 2-enemy fight like Yun's Office Act 1. That 1% just sounds too cruel. Could take a hour. Could take 10 hours...

Using chances to gain loot never was a good idea. Atleast not odds this low. Either the odds need improving, or it should be more like "Use Rip Space 5 times".

[Sieg]

"Succeed Rip Space at 1 Charge" would have been cool. And 9.9% odds.

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by DukeKL:

Is it even possible to have Rip Space fail at 10 charges, I think there was a patch note addressing how it wouldn't fail at 10 charges or something way back when.

It's a 1% chance, but it is possible. Took me 2 hours to make it happen though.

[DukeKL]

It seems fashion was the true Gacha all along.

[Sebee]

Originally posted by DukeKL:

It seems fashion was the true Gacha all along.

Nice

[Wanderer312]

You know ı kinda predicted Rose's hat a while back and people called me a monster for the same unlock condition, it was joke suggestion anyways but PM didn't get the joke from the looks of it...

[none]

Originally posted by Wanderer312:

You know ı kinda predicted Rose's hat a while back and people called me a monster for the same unlock condition, it was joke suggestion anyways but PM didn't get the joke from the looks of it...

well, i remember someone also says something about making mod where eileen get a passive where she give other the smoke basic passive that make smoke actually all positive to all librarian and PM actually make that passive official for eileen distorted version (enemy only, can't be obtained for librarian). so, yeah i think they actually check all kind of idea in this discussion

[Ekimmak]

I got Space Ripper shortly into grinding for it.

But I got it on the wrong character. I recommend taking a full W Corp team into the Sweepers, if you're just looking to earn it once.

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by Ekimmak:

I got Space Ripper shortly into grinding for it.

But I got it on the wrong character. I recommend taking a full W Corp team into the Sweepers, if you're just looking to earn it once.

Screw Space Ripper, just get Veteran Commander instead. It's the same slot, also a Charge symbol, and is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to get. Maybe not as good as Ripper but still usable.

[Mastema]

Honestly, i would love universal ego gift battle symbols purely for the ability to fully replicate my LC nuggets into Ruina without having to download a ♥♥♥♥ ton of mods. Unless of course another mod comes up that allows that exact feature.

[Donutlord06]

that was grindy for you? god warframe can change a man.

[Wanderer312]

I don't think comparing Warframe grinding to any other grinding is fair. One's a game around endless grinding and Lor's battle symbols's is just extra stuff on your nuggets,it's not a major point of the game.

[Flygoniaks]

Originally posted by Wanderer312:

I don't think comparing Warframe grinding to any other grinding is fair. One's a game around endless grinding and Lor's battle symbols's is just extra stuff on your nuggets,it's not a major point of the game.

I... don't think it was meant to be a serious comparison. Sounded more like a joke to me.

[CarThief]

Considering some E.G.O Symbols are pretty neat, yeah i kinda want em for all the floors, like a library-wide unlock after 10-20 pages/E.G.O uses. Doesn't matter if they won't do anything, just making em look cool and unique is worth the effort.

Still think a floor-wide unlock for non-E.G.O Battle Symbols would be preferable too. It was a real pain getting more eyepatches from Oscar. Perhaps they should've skipped the "without any allies" part of it's requirements.

I suppose there's no way to combine it with Nemo/Tanja's passives while prioritizing Oscar's so it activates first? So far those (and other revive effects like in Chesed's floor) always appeared to take priority.

---

Speaking of battle symbols... They acting up weird for anyone else? Lets say, the eyepatch again. For Hokma, it goes under his hair, easy, looks great. For just about anyone else, it displays over the hair sprite, looks awful. But perhaps it's because Hokma has a unique sprite and all?

But then, a "nugget" as some would call it, #1 has Uncanny Grin and it works fine, going below the hair sprite. #2 has it, yet it goes over the hair, and it doesn't look like customization can fix it. How come it's a higher sprite layer priority for #2 then for #1?
Was hopin' for a cool effect with that and the Scarecrow's bleeding eye E.G.O symbol, but nope. No fun allowed!

I guess i should investigate further and maybe do a bug report.

Kinda wish we had an ability to prioritize which layers Battle Symbols are displayed on though.
AKA show it above hair or below hair? Have face stuff like masks inside hoods of over hoods? Have it be displayed over a overlapping symbol or beneath it? That kinda layering stuff.