Roland vs Argalia

[Araders]

Recently, one of my acquaintances suggested this version: "In the absence of the battle with Argalia, we learn from the fact that he had a sister who suffered from the attack of the pianist, from his words it can be understood that she was far from indifferent to him. Now let us remember that Roland had a wife who died from the collapse of the building, perhaps it was the work of the pianist, since we do not have exact information where their house was located at that time + it cannot be denied that the hair color of Argalia and his wife is similar. From the above, we can conclude that one of the key goals of Argalia is to find Roland and his punishment for not being able to save his sister "

I found this version pretty good and livable. But to back up my words, I decided to see if Roland and Argalia were talking any interesting phrases when they met at the reception. My research was not in vain, I took a screenshot of two collisions.
https://prnt.sc/vfbk8x
https://prnt.sc/vfbofs
As far as I can understand Argalia uses one of these 2 phrases while Roland uses the same one. In none of the other collisions with other floors, I have not been able to see the same phrases. From which we can conclude that they are far from random.

Even if my theory sounds like far-fetched, you can still conclude that these two obviously did not share something and there is some kind of conflict between them - which is already quite interesting.

[Grim Xzag]

Yes Argalia uses unique lines when meeting both Roland and Kali (Gebura) but I am going to focus on this specific special line he says when Roland is on the field:
"Haha… I seriously can’t believe I let her love this man."

If you are wondering, here are the lines that Argalia will say when you use the Floor of Language.
Argalia

• Start: "What’s this…? Haha… I was wondering where the Red Mist could’ve disappeared to…" and "Wouldn’t it be hilarious if the public learned that you’re stuck as a servant in some odd place now?"
  
• Tactically Running away: "Still entertaining… Although, I’ve yet to see exactly what I want here."

Gebura:

• Start:"…Private talk is unnecessary. We’re in battle." and "Shut it. Both of us have goals to achieve."
  
• Victory: "…That wasn’t a satisfying conclusion."
  
• Argalia tactically Running away: "Sigh… You damn coward."
  
• On Death: "This is frustrating… But I’ve got to accept it."

[CarThief]

Well, now i'm curious what the other interactions are, with Gerbura in particular. Though not looking forward to slogging through that with a 4-man floor, so, hm...

Fun little details, i suppose, like the Rabbit Team captain's responses to some special enemies in Lobotomy.

[Araders]

Originally posted by Grim Xzag:

Yes Argalia uses unique lines when meeting both Roland and Kali (Gebura) but I am going to focus on this specific special line he says when Roland is on the field:
"Haha… I seriously can’t believe I let her love this man."

I probably missed this phrase somewhere. Although it is now clear that the theory is probably 70% correct.

[Araders]

The question now is different. Is Roland using the library as a hideout, or is he perhaps looking for some way to fix everything that happened? Unclear. But one thing is clear - a purple tear helped Roland to get into the library. Was this a cunning plan or perhaps a leap into the abyss?

[Baka Mitai]

Uh, no. Your conclusion is outright incorrect. Roland and Argalia definitely do have past together, but from reading their lines there is no conflict between them beyond that related to the library. They have a low opinion of each other and view each other dismissively, but that's about it. Roland's wife was likely Argalia's sister, though. Also I'd like to point out that I'm fairly certain(though I need to rewatch the cutscene to make sure) that Roland *does not say that his wife died because the house collapsed on her.* He says that when he came back, the house had collapsed *and* she was dead, but he never actually said that the house was what killed her. It makes a ton of sense for Roland to leave the part about the pianist out there, and it also makes sense on Project Moon's part to write it that way and have us jump to a conclusion that will later be subverted.

[Ekimmak]

Not to undermine the point of the discussion, but what sort of builds do people use to overcome the four librarian disadvantage?

[Baka Mitai]

I abused the mass attack pages from floor of history. If you can just get through the first act you can wreck shop in the 2nd with 4th match flame and green stem.

[Sebee]

I love how everything connects in this story.
Roland is basically confirmed to be the Black Silence in my mind especially with the Purple Tear's recent appearance.
His wife is the White Noise, and is also Argalia's sister, first part is entirely theory, but her relation to Argalia is basically confirmed.

[snek]

Originally posted by Baka Mitai:

Uh, no. Your conclusion is outright incorrect. Roland and Argalia definitely do have past together, but from reading their lines there is no conflict between them beyond that related to the library. They have a low opinion of each other and view each other dismissively, but that's about it. Roland's wife was likely Argalia's sister, though. Also I'd like to point out that I'm fairly certain(though I need to rewatch the cutscene to make sure) that Roland *does not say that his wife died because the house collapsed on her.* He says that when he came back, the house had collapsed *and* she was dead, but he never actually said that the house was what killed her. It makes a ton of sense for Roland to leave the part about the pianist out there, and it also makes sense on Project Moon's part to write it that way and have us jump to a conclusion that will later be subverted.

It is confirmed that Roland's wife is Argalia's sister, upon Roland dying Argalia has a unique line saying "I can't believe I let her love this man." as seen here https://imgur.com/a/v0IDGTm .

This means that Roland is likely lying either outright or by omission about his wife's death, since what Argalia says means she got caught up in what happened with the Pianist instead of the house collapsing due to it.

It could be that their house was within the area The Pianist struck? It'll be interesting to see how this develops.

My current guesses is that Angelica is White Noise, and Roland is Black Silence.

[Baka Mitai]

Originally posted by snek:

Originally posted by Baka Mitai:

Uh, no. Your conclusion is outright incorrect. Roland and Argalia definitely do have past together, but from reading their lines there is no conflict between them beyond that related to the library. They have a low opinion of each other and view each other dismissively, but that's about it. Roland's wife was likely Argalia's sister, though. Also I'd like to point out that I'm fairly certain(though I need to rewatch the cutscene to make sure) that Roland *does not say that his wife died because the house collapsed on her.* He says that when he came back, the house had collapsed *and* she was dead, but he never actually said that the house was what killed her. It makes a ton of sense for Roland to leave the part about the pianist out there, and it also makes sense on Project Moon's part to write it that way and have us jump to a conclusion that will later be subverted.

It is confirmed that Roland's wife is Argalia's sister, upon Roland dying Argalia has a unique line saying "I can't believe I let her love this man." as seen here https://imgur.com/a/v0IDGTm .

This means that Roland is likely lying either outright or by omission about his wife's death, since what Argalia says means she got caught up in what happened with the Pianist instead of the house collapsing due to it.

It could be that their house was within the area The Pianist struck? It'll be interesting to see how this develops.

My current guesses is that Angelica is White Noise, and Roland is Black Silence.

At least you acknowledge those are guesses.

[Baka Mitai]

Originally posted by Bam:

I love how everything connects in this story.
Roland is basically confirmed to be the Black Silence in my mind especially with the Purple Tear's recent appearance.
His wife is the White Noise, and is also Argalia's sister, first part is entirely theory, but her relation to Argalia is basically confirmed.

Roland being the black silence has literally 0 evidence, but keep pretending it's confirmed.

[Sebee]

Originally posted by Baka Mitai:

Originally posted by Bam:

I love how everything connects in this story.
Roland is basically confirmed to be the Black Silence in my mind especially with the Purple Tear's recent appearance.
His wife is the White Noise, and is also Argalia's sister, first part is entirely theory, but her relation to Argalia is basically confirmed.

Roland being the black silence has literally 0 evidence, but keep pretending it's confirmed.

I did say Roland is basically confirmed to be the Black Silence in my mind... :)
Also, I believe there is some evidence that points to him being the Black Silence, that being his relation to colors Blue Reverb and Purple Tear, also the fact that he couldn't save his own wife who died as a result of the Pianist. Maybe he got a little angry because of that and maybe he ended up stopping the Pianist's performance because of it. The Black Silence was the one who stopped the Pianist's performance after all, maybe gaining his color name as a result of silencing the performance. maybe...

[Ekimmak]

Ah, I already cleared the fight with Malkuth's floor. I was just wondering how people were clearing with the "currently not full" floors to find out these details.

[Baka Mitai]

Ah ok. My bad

[algondir]

Originally posted by Bam:

I love how everything connects in this story.
Roland is basically confirmed to be the Black Silence in my mind especially with the Purple Tear's recent appearance.
His wife is the White Noise, and is also Argalia's sister, first part is entirely theory, but her relation to Argalia is basically confirmed.

But in Thumb reception, they tell that Black Silence recently attacked them in L.Nest so I don't think Roland can be him anymore