Mass attacks: how does page/die destruction work?

[David]

I thought that a summation attack would prevent the enemies from using that page that scene if they took damage, but they still used all of their pages (3/4 only have one speed die so it was obvious). Using 4th Match Flame E.G.O.

So how does it work? I haven't beat Queen of Hatred yet so knowing how mass attacks work could help there too.

[CarThief]

Hm, same impression i got from em too.

Summation, on win: Do damage, destroy all enemy dice on targetted page. On lose: no damage, enemy keeps all dice.
(Should destroy all dice used since summation lumps them together into one big roll. Unsure about Counter dice, though, if they're included, too.)

Individual, on win: Destroy current dice/roll, do damage. On Lose, no damage, enemy keeps current dice/roll.
(If it's a 1>2>3 Individual Mass Attack vs a enemy's 1>2>3 card, and you win attack 1 & 2 but lose 3, the enemy only gets to use attack 3.)

Only other quirks i could think of in that system is that Mass Attacks take top priority (even over Ranged, with the player's mass attacks going first), and that Mass Attacks can't "clash"/interfere with other Mass Attack pages.

[none]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Hm, same impression i got from em too.

Summation, on win: Do damage, destroy all enemy dice on targetted page. On lose: no damage, enemy keeps all dice.
(Should destroy all dice used since summation lumps them together into one big roll. Unsure about Counter dice, though, if they're included, too.)

tested before using Serpentine Barrier against Red Mist's Mass Attack. Counter dice doesn't count and would not clash with mass attack

[David]

Bump. Yeah I don't understand dice/page destruction at all, even on non-mass attacks.

Nosferatu has a page that says it destroys all dice on hit. With speed 7 and I didn't contest it at all since I had no way of stopping it, why then does my librarian still get to use Graze the Grass from that speed die on a bat later on in that scene?
Thirst rolls 6-8 with a +3 from STR so 9-11, there's no way graze the grass blocked it (it's not a mass attack anyway, should've been one-sided so automatic hit).

Same with Mass attacks, when they first appeared I read that they destroy individual dice or pages on hit, so I factored that in, then the dice that were meant to be destroyed still activated anyway, so I've ignored it since then. But on a page that specifically says it destroys dice? I don't get it.

Can anyone explain how its meant to work? Does it only destroy the dice on a clash? Because that makes no sense for mass attacks. But would explain why Thirst's On Hit didn't seem to proc. Anyone tested cancelling dice with mass attacks more?

I assume its supposed to be something like ranged attacks where when they win a "clash" they cancel out the die, but mass attacks never clash. Although it works much like a ranged attack if you target the speed die with mass attack on, I suppose.

[Sieg]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Only other quirks i could think of in that system is that Mass Attacks take top priority (even over Ranged, with the player's mass attacks going first)

Myo decided to prove this wrong

her Feral Knives went before my Road Home EGO and killed the nugget before they could use it

[David]

I assume Mass Attacks take place in order of the speed die. Never did bother to check what happens when two one-sided attacks/clashes have the same speed value though. - Fighting Iori right now, damn she's tough.