Index pages

[Rabbit]

Anyone else find their passive kind of underwhelming?

Also disappointing they don't have grace of the prescript or scrim prescript when they are from the index

Doesn't make much sense

Would definitely make their Gold pages a lot better with it at base


like imo they feel worst than all the gold pages and even some of the purple pages from first part of SofC

their passives don't pass on each scene, need to be redone each scene, making them inferior then most pages we got from first part imo, this is also a problem for their new card unlock

So for example if you had 3 scene act
You would probably get little use of their main passive until fight already mostly finish. Then Next scene your back at square one need to use 6 pages for it

I feel they need to buff these pages and passive need to carry over each scene. Like wise card unlock

What does everyone think?

[Lovise]

I thought the locked potential is pretty kewl o: and their unique card is pretty awesome... Cant beat the memes though...

But ye their passive is a bit underwhelming however it does allow you to come up with some unique build for it. For instance, U can go full bleed or full burn on hubert. U can go full slash dice or all offense. Then for gloria u can go full buff/debuff build. U can also go full blunt. With the right floor and luck you can have turn a 3 light page into a 0 light page with easygoing passive. You can also use that passive with yujin and basically make a 4 light page cost 0.

[Impractical]

Their cards are pretty dang strong by themselves, it seems the gimmick is based on becoming stronger the longer an act takes place, which is something not a lot of pages do.

[Dima green]

They still can't reach the power Yujin had, they don't have their grace of the prescript, they actually don't get stronger the longer the fight lasts, they simply get a power up midway through, locked potential doesn't even save between acts, they are severely cut from their counterparts like Esther having speed III instead of his original speed II, the only notable passive from them is Gloria's and even it can't be transferred, base stat wise they are even lower than Lowell(no pun intended) and their ults are somewhat meh/usable ig

So overall pretty underwhelming, yes

[AritheReaper]

Yeah, no, I've already gotten a lot of mileage out of Locked Potential. Combined with certain floor's abnormality pages, you can make a single character an incredibly difficult to kill threat. It does sort of suffer from its inability to transfer the state between acts, and that it requires time to activate, but I honestly like it quite a bit.

By the time you've unlocked them, you've likely had time to play several abnormality cards and possibly even unlock E.G.O. cards. Combined with the right passives - granted, usually GotP is a high price one you'd want on them - you can make them pretty difficult to beat in any situation. Its only realy draw back is its setup time, and I find that to be pretty fair at the moment. Would definitely get a nice buff from having GotP outright, but I'm not sure that's really a requirement for them to be good.

[Arch-Knee]

And with a good draw synergy, you can consistently activate Locked Potential in 3 scenes of each Act.
Also 3 speed dice at the start is way too strong for SoTC, we just had only Lowell and Kalo with Speed III.

[changb1]

Really hoping they get grace of the prescript, and maybe changing Locked to damage +2 or something weaker than power +1. Despite Gloria and Hubert being around purple page level in terms of power, Esper is still a solid strong gold page IMO

[Rabbit]

Originally posted by changb1:

Really hoping they get grace of the prescript, and maybe changing Locked to damage +2 or something weaker than power +1. Despite Gloria and Hubert being around purple page level in terms of power, Esper is still a solid strong gold page IMO

Yea Grace of the prescript probably make them feel like gold pages

Also kind of weird that we get index pages from last rank and not new ones imo

[CarThief]

Can't say i'd object to it if they gave the key pages Grace of the Prescript and/or Skim Prescript, but perhaps kept the battle as is, with their Shimmering passive replacing both of those (it'd be a nightmare otherwise).

Having, i dunno, a second Proselyte key page would be neat too. Just giving us more Prescript passives to mess around with, because just four of em is too little.

(That or they should consider the idea i mentioned way back of introducing "fragments" which hold passive abilities, existing solely to be slotted into key pages.)

[Courageii]

from my experience they are pretty awful for the scenes leading up to unlock, then they turn into the best card currently with unlock 3, multislash for infinite light and their extremely good gold card exclusives, then the act ends and they turn back to trashfire for a few scenes, basically amazing in 1 long act, floor realizations, abno battles, 1 act receptions are probably their best time

[Chronomic]

Y'all forgetting that the game can have many boss fights later down in the line and this chapter makes me very afraid lf what is to come

Also floor realizations gonna be chopped pretty hard by those

[Sleempreem]

I found them pretty lackluster. Hubert's and Esther's passives feel pretty bad. Hubert since you usually don't want to clash with defensive die (unless it's a counter die) and Esther's extra draw feels redundant since we have access to cards like will of the prescripts, unlock 3, and multislash for all the draw we'll ever need. Unlock taking 3 scenes to activate takes too long when things like Yujin's eye of death is active immediatly, fervor is permanent each battle after reaching emotion level 3, and the cane office gang being able to gain 1 strength and endurance upon reaching emotion level 2 as long as they spend/gain charge each turn exist.

[Mightbuddy6]

I've seen this topic a lot recently and i wanted to give my own take on why the index key pages while being weaker in some ways than other key pages is not a bad thing and that they are actually stronger than you think

1. We got three golden key pages this may sound redundant but this is a lot of power being acquired at once based purely on the resistance health and stagger
   
2. The key pages can't be looked at in a vacuum with out considering there exclusives which is probably why all three were made golden except only one
   
3. There exclusives are actually really powerful
   
   • castigation BOD older brother that at worst you win the first clash and best inflict 40 health and stagger damage that goes through defenses
     
   • decapitation is probably the worst one of the three tho still good with it being a hard hitting range page that in inflicts 8 bleed and one feeble allowing you to stagger or kill a low health or stagger target with out giving them a chance to react
     
   • eradication is the most contested one because its a summation mass attack but what you have to remember is that we can retarget the page by deselecting then reselecting the page to change the dice you are targeting which should mean that you should win these attacks on almost all your opponent and this in the key part since it inflicts 2 feeble that scene

[snek]

They can be used in conjunction with GotP and Fervor if you want (you can also swap GotP with other passives more centred on long-term survival like Health Hauler, etc), they have double resists which is something I find more valuable than two resists on different damage types. Upon unlocking you can immediately start using their exclusive pages, which at minimum comes out turn 4 (if not at EL3/4) or turn 3 (at EL 3 for Esther, EL4 for the others), with each exclusive being insanely strong in its own right.

Hubert is a gigantic hitter, Esther is BoD but even better (a generally more consistent roll that bypasses resistances and beats almost anything), Gloria has a spammable mass attack, and mass attacks in general are insane regardless.
Blade Unlock will truly shine on fights with extremely long acts, fights like Crying Children or Realizations, where it's a single act separated by multiple phases. In these BU mode comes out at around the same point Fervor does and their special attacks do not exhaust at all (unlike Lowell), meaning they can be used just about every other turn with no prep card needed either.

Esther is easily the best page right now in my opinion, and Gloria is honestly equal to Lowell due to the lack of Speed III and the fact that Lowell can do a turn 3 Raging Storm, made up for Eradication not exhausting. Hubert is also a really solid page too, my main floor now consists of Lowell, Kalo and the Index Trio, and in terms of output its actually usually Gloria > Esther > Lowell > Hubert > Kalo, Gloria's mass attack is just insane.

[Voodoo Child]

I can sort of agree with Hubert since his passive and exclusive page are the worst of the bunch, but Gloria and Esther are anything BUT underwhelming, and I do place them above Lowell.

First, there is their shared passive (Locked potential): It is +1 power to all dice, not just offensive ones, and you can trigger it sooner on the first act, which is the most important one since by the second/third/etc you will just snowball with EGO.

Second, their personal passives. Esther has additional card draw which is amazing. Unless you are drawing more than 8 cards every turn, there is no such thing as "more draw than you'll ever need". Even if you can't play them all, drawing more cards means cycling through your deck faster, meaning having a bigger hand with more options, meaning you get to play the cards you want to play more often.
Gloria's passive is also very good. Having a card become cheaper means you can play it when you'd otherwise be unable to. Not a lot to add on this one, it is pretty neat.

Finally, their exclusive pages. I can't for the life of me fathom why someone would say that BoD -a card that has a 75% to be a waste- is in any way better than Castigation, a card that will reliably ♥♥♥♥ whoever it is clashing against in the ass because the bonus damage it deals ignores resistances.
The same goes with Eradication and Forming Storm. The fact that it doesn't exhaust should be enough to conclude that eradication is better. It looks cooler to boot.

So no, with the exception of Hubert, the proxies are not underwhelming at all

[Courageii]

What do you guys think if blade unlock was carried through acts? Too powerful? Good enough? Not enough? I think people's biggest problem with Kalo and prescipt golds is fervor carries through and lets you use the insane emotion level momentum, while blade unlock and kalo rolls still leave you at a disadvantage early in comparison. I don't know if it did carry through if it would be too much just curious on thoughts