LC and LoR lore question

[algondir]

Just finished Hod realization battle and I'm curious: when did we, as a manager, canonically enter the LC, at first loops or last loops.

My last loops arguments: we see Angela as a person that already thinks that she is superior and she doesn't change at the next loops. But maybe she just followed her script and we don't know for sure about her personality

My first loops argument: She witnessed the Meltdown and as I know, resolved Sephirots transfer through cycles, but that means canonically we are playing as a braindead manager that failover 9000 times

[Leviathan]

The sephirot don't remember what happens between loops.
The only reason suppressions carry over between loops I would assume is convenience, but in-lore A/X did all of the suppressions in a single loop on the successful run.
My argument: you see realization-cutscene-Angela panicking and asking X what's wrong with Hod when she goes through a meltdown, meanwhile LC Angela tells you that you should feel free to ignore them if such a thing occurs and that she'll handle the dept job in their place.

[Pathetic]

Loops and day resets arent the same thing. Loops start long before A awakens as X and have Angela managing the seraphs. The loop resets when Angela fails to follow her protocol which is to prioritise energy, which is amplified with suffering. Its unclear how long Angela spent alone with the seraphs, but its enough time for the seraphs to get into the state they are in when X awakens and becomes manager. This is all apart of Ayin's plan, because the seed of light germination is only possible with the suppression of Sephirahs, not with day to day energy collection. The sephirahs reaching absolute breaking point and oozing power is part of the plan, and why Angela's attempt to make them happy instantly resets the loop.

Imagine a computer running a virtual machine WITHIN a virtual machine (an OS within an OS WITHIN an OS). Angela is the computer, and the sephirah are in the virtual machine and X is inside the second virtual machine. When X resets the day, the Sephirahs remember what happens and their memories dont reset (which is why Abno development stays the same, why the completed suppressions/tasks stay completed).

When Angela fails a loop, everyone inside both virtual machines forget everything, but not her. Lobotomy Corp takes place entirely within the last loop. Which is why Angela is so cold because she knows exactly how everything needs to happen. X enters in every loop, but everything except Angela 100% resets whenever she deviates from the script, which means waiting until X arrives again, its impossible to know how many loops angela failed (atleast 10,000 years worth x 100 because her time is that much slower) and how many times X appeared in failed loops.

[Raviel]

LoR really does shed a lot of light on how far A was willing to go to achieve Carmen's dream.

It takes an insane level of desperation to trap what is essentially a single human being (Angela) and all of your former colleagues in a time loop that lasts for centuries.

(Well...okay....I say all former colleagues but I think Ayin would've preferred it if Binah stayed trapped a little longer)

Ayin's plan gets even more insane when you realize that all the other L Corp branches (i.e. the characters in Wonderlab) are just diversions to keep the Head from finding out about the Seed of Light. What's worse is the branches of L Corp seemingly don't even have the benefit of a memory repository or Record team. If they're dead, they're dead.

[Dima green]

Originally posted by Raviel:

LoR really does shed a lot of light on how far A was willing to go to achieve Carmen's dream.

It takes an insane level of desperation to trap what is essentially a single human being (Angela) and all of your former colleagues in a time loop that lasts for centuries.

(Well...okay....I say all former colleagues but I think Ayin would've preferred it if Binah stayed trapped a little longer)

Ayin's plan gets even more insane when you realize that all the other L Corp branches (i.e. the characters in Wonderlab) are just diversions to keep the Head from finding out about the Seed of Light. What's worse is the branches of L Corp seemingly don't even have the benefit of a memory repository or Record team. If they're dead, they're dead.

Well... Not exactly, other branches of LC exist to do what the company is supposed to do i.e. generate energy(in LC it is said that aside from rabbits we don't ship generated energy on surface)

+Unlike us, who can recycle agents with TT2 other branches have access to an entire district full of people.

Angela wasn't a human, rather a machine with human properties. And knowing that he hated machines for his whole life it's not that big of a surprise that he was willing to do so

And no, Angela is far from being the only human trapped in the vicious cycle(just look at all the agents and Hokma who remembers previous cycles he was in)

[Healingnoises]

Seeing as how you are all discussing the time shenanigans of LC, I had a question.
If I remember right, it was mentioned that roughly 10 years had passed outside LC.
(Unless I am completely remembering that wrong, in which case just ignore this.)

But the time track technology LC used only affects a limited area, the inside of LC.
So regardless of what is being reset, be it everything but Angela, or just A/X's memories,
shouldn't that mean that all the events occurred side by side with the outside world?

Or was time sped up so 10000 years passed by? Or was it actually 10 years that took place in a sealed lobotomy corporation, and then Angela's EXTREMELY slow downed perception of time turned that into 10000 years from her point of view?

I apologize if I sound stupid. I should note that I never got passed day 48 but did look up the ending, and completed all suppression.

[Arch-Knee]

Originally posted by Willchannel:

Or was it actually 10 years that took place in a sealed lobotomy corporation, and then Angela's EXTREMELY slow downed perception of time turned that into 10000 years from her point of view?

That was pretty much what happened to her.

[Comidaaaahh]

Originally posted by Willchannel:

I apologize if I sound stupid. I should note that I never got passed day 48 but did look up the ending, and completed all suppression.

Don't worry, it IS confusing.

So, from my point of view, it's like an astronaut that goes to space and then returns to Earth. It may have passed just a year for the astronaut, but the people of Earth may have live 10 years, because the flow of time is different for the 2 groups.

In case of LC, the flow of time inside LC is accelerated by T corp. tecnology, so they lived 10.000 years, while the outside world goes like normal, so 10 years have passed outside.

And regarding Angela's perception, thing go like this: outside = 10 years, inside LC =10.000 years, Angela's perception (x100 speed) = 1.000.000 years.
You can see that for Angela is a million years, because she mentions it in the post-battle scene of the second combat of the Zwei Association.

I hope you understand my explanation.

[Coin]

Originally posted by Comidaaaahh:

I hope you understand my explanation.

You can just say that it's the pain train