Patch Update changed the Passives system

[rycallibrx]

There was a small patch that separates the page's base passives from the cost of attributing passives. (Basically base passives don't count towards cost)
All pages now have full space for a cost of 10. All pages have 7 passive slots. Slots are occupied by the base page's passives.
For example, Yujin's page has 5 passives on the page normally, so she has 0/10 cost to fill up 2 empty passive slots. (She can slot in corpse cleanup now, so that's kinda unfair)

Seems like PM's approach to balancing the passives system is just to limit the amount of slots you have on better pages rather than balancing it around cost.

What are your opinions on the changes? Mixed feelings on this one.

[Butter]

I like it. It finally feels like you can edit your pages and decks to whatever meme decks you're feeling. It honestly feels like discovering how to play all over again because instead of going for repetitive decks on almost everyone, it's instead on what kind of page you want to base your deck around to begin with. All in all, 10/10.

[Ph3onix]

Corpse Cleanup and Grace of the Prescript Yujin is now a thing.
You may not like it, but this is what peak preformance looks like.

[Pathetic]

Just like the 9/11 update its really, really fun for a bit, and then you realise its just so extremely broken that it trivialises all the content. You can easily have +3 dice power on Yujin now with Fervor and Dark Cloud Blade. I expect this is temporary.

[Yhune]

Broken as ♥♥♥♥/10
Look at this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236589306
Right now I'm trying yesod, and holy ♥♥♥♥, like 20 power dice rolls at first scene.

[Starfish]

So broken it's not even funny, like you need to buff all enemies by a significant degree to justify this level of power-ups.

[Raviel]

I like the direction they're taking since it means you can actually customize pages like Philip and Oscar.

That said, we're essentially back to the old pre-point system problem, our librarians are now walking gods with every passive imaginable.

There's no way this system is going to stay as is, I think either some passives are going to get nerfed or we're going to see another massive cost re-balancing across the board.

[Doge]

Yhune lähetti viestin:

Broken as ♥♥♥♥/10
Look at this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236589306
Right now I'm trying yesod, and holy ♥♥♥♥, like 20 power dice rolls at first scene.

This only happens when no ally is present. Are you going to beat Liu Association with only one librarian?

[Acds]

The idea is good, but 10 free points is too much. 3-6 free points would be more than enough, with higher rarities getting more (e.g. Object D'Art gets 6).

[Yhune]

NyanCat lähetti viestin:

Yhune lähetti viestin:

Broken as ♥♥♥♥/10
Look at this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236589306
Right now I'm trying yesod, and holy ♥♥♥♥, like 20 power dice rolls at first scene.

This only happens when no ally is present. Are you going to beat Liu Association with only one librarian?

That's not even the peak of this system, yesod floor with most of full stop passives can instantly stagger most, if not all of the liu fixers.
Even then, the example I posted is meant to show how a single librarian can get really powerful and in a full team, if your entire team except that one librarian gets wiped, you end up with a really broken librarian.

[Yhune]

Here's another example of how broken it gets:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236670372
And this was first scene too:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236671167

Also why were liu nerfed anyway?, they weren't even hard.

[Doge]

Yhune lähetti viestin:

NyanCat lähetti viestin:

This only happens when no ally is present. Are you going to beat Liu Association with only one librarian?

That's not even the peak of this system, yesod floor with most of full stop passives can instantly stagger most, if not all of the liu fixers.
Even then, the example I posted is meant to show how a single librarian can get really powerful and in a full team, if your entire team except that one librarian gets wiped, you end up with a really broken librarian.

A floor build out of Key Pages out of Full-Stop Office was not even able to beat the first wave of Warp-Train-Clean Agents before this update, and after this update, it is still hard for them to make it till the end of Warp-Agent Reception. And, speaking of Liu Association, it is likely to stagger one of them in the first round if you concentrate all your fire power on that unfortunate guy. But, it is hard to stagger two of them in the first scene (at least I never managed to make it). So where does the words 'instantly stagger most, if not all of the liu fixers' come out of?

[Doge]

Yhune lähetti viestin:

Here's another example of how broken it gets:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236670372
And this was first scene too:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236671167

Also why were liu nerfed anyway?, they weren't even hard.

Okay, I get it.

By the way, can you post the passives build and card build here?

[Courageii]

Update is fun for a bit, but the previous build was more balanced, great pages like oscar were sort of balanced out by allowing only a weak passive, while more balanced or weaker pages like smiling faces could slot in speed die and damage, or double defense power. The numbers for certain passives still need adjusting but aside from that allowing insane pages like yujin to slot things like remembrance, fervor, or cc is way too much.

[Yhune]

NyanCat lähetti viestin:

Yhune lähetti viestin:

Here's another example of how broken it gets:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236670372
And this was first scene too:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236671167

Also why were liu nerfed anyway?, they weren't even hard.

Okay, I get it.

By the way, can you post the passives build and card build here?

Here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236691569
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236691466
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236691397
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236691148
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236691105

[snek]

Oh god I forgot you can use the Unga deck again because they removed floor page limits, that's even more crazy than doing a turn 1 Overcharge into E-Cycle.