Round 7-8 Cheese Waves

[Coach's Coach]

I am hoping that I am not the only one who notices this, but when you get to around level 30 and are going against impoppable maps, does anybody else see how Ninja Kiwi purposely made it so it's pretty much impossible to get beyond round 7-8 without using at least some powerups, or otherwise bloonstones?

I feel they engineered this just right so that you would keep making it to a point and regardless of how many tower strategies and combos you try, you just can't eek past those levels (on certain maps, not all) without utilizing the supply crates, free monkeys, spikes, tower boosts, or at worst spending your hard-earned bloonstones. They likely did this in the hopes that people would keep spending the stones and having to resort to buying them.

I'm refusing to do this, because I think it's a disgusting practice.

That said, does anybody else find that some heavy forest levels around 7-8 are pretty much ridiculous?

If anyone has suggestions I'd be happy to hear, because I'm a veteran player and have tried most strategies. This is just frustrating and silly. I'd rather pay for a full game and not have the temptation of pay-to-win looming, it makes me lose so much respect for Ninja Kiwi.

[Planterror]

Pretty likely you're doing it wrong. Not every strategy is made equal.

Here's a minimalist setup for a ZOMG rated tile, starting with a bionic boomer and a spike factory from city level 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0Bf-N1ZXI

[Coach's Coach]

Originally posted by Planterror:

Pretty likely you're doing it wrong. Not every strategy is made equal.

Here's a minimalist setup for a ZOMG rated tile, starting with a bionic boomer and a spike factory from city level 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0Bf-N1ZXI

That's not the Steam version, and it's years old. It's not comparable in the slightest. Ceramics come out on round 7-8 now. Then it was not ceramic. They do it on purpose to leech money, and it's disgusting.

[Jaime]

Try to go for treasure tiles. The things they give you are helpful early game, like extra starting cash or free dart monkeys. Also, a 2-1 glue gunner is pretty good against early ceramics.

[Planterror]

Originally posted by Coach's Coach:

Originally posted by Planterror:

Pretty likely you're doing it wrong. Not every strategy is made equal.

Here's a minimalist setup for a ZOMG rated tile, starting with a bionic boomer and a spike factory from city level 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0Bf-N1ZXI

That's not the Steam version, and it's years old. It's not comparable in the slightest. Ceramics come out on round 7-8 now. Then it was not ceramic. They do it on purpose to leech money, and it's disgusting.

It is the exact same thing. The Steam version is literally just a mobile port.

Would you like more examples then? Here's some city level 25 getting all the treasure chests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thePI5tRNB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc9BiCgOr3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlUnPmITKk8

[Jon.Topps]

The Steam version has been drastically changed. The hp scaling alone completely changes the gameplay in terms of difficulty and strategy.
Try going with gatling, I love those dudes. I don't think I'd be able to get as far as I have without them.

[Coach's Coach]

Originally posted by Planterror:

Originally posted by Coach's Coach:

That's not the Steam version, and it's years old. It's not comparable in the slightest. Ceramics come out on round 7-8 now. Then it was not ceramic. They do it on purpose to leech money, and it's disgusting.

It is the exact same thing. The Steam version is literally just a mobile port.

Would you like more examples then? Here's some city level 25 getting all the treasure chests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thePI5tRNB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc9BiCgOr3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlUnPmITKk8

Thank you for the links. The Steam version is definitely different though, it's not a simple mobile port where all things are equal. They know what they are doing, they are looking to force you into paying to get further rather than just making an honest game with a set price. $25 for the game would be fine and I'd pay it up front. Instead they say "WOW 1,300 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ BLOONSTONES FOR JUST $20!" Yeah. Okay.

Can't win still? Pay and get KNOWLEDGE PACKS! Not even paying for a guaranteed level up, but paying for a CHANCE to get a SMIDGEN of a small increase of a RANDOM ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tower.

Ninja Kiwi has honestly gone to ♥♥♥♥.

[BarbieQ234]

heavy forest rounds 7/8... ceramics?

here's my run of rounds 8 and 9 of impoppable heavy forest (lots of ceramics).
https://imgur.com/a/StqggwY

edits:
round 10 had 1 MOAB. used some road spikes.
round 13 - 4x MOABs. some more road spikes. skipped moab maulers. went straight to 4/0 bloonchip under a 0/0 village
something something... eventually 2x 4/2 bloonchippers and bloon traps for economy. finished the rest with spectres.

[Planterror]

Originally posted by Coach's Coach:

The Steam version is definitely different though, it's not a simple mobile port where all things are equal.

Quite is. Since this port's release the bugs that appeared on PC have appeared on mobile. They're cross compatible, almost the exact same.

Originally posted by Coach's Coach:

They know what they are doing, they are looking to force you into paying to get further rather than just making an honest game with a set price. $25 for the game would be fine and I'd pay it up front. Instead they say "WOW 1,300 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ BLOONSTONES FOR JUST $20!" Yeah. Okay.

Can't win still? Pay and get KNOWLEDGE PACKS! Not even paying for a guaranteed level up, but paying for a CHANCE to get a SMIDGEN of a small increase of a RANDOM ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tower.

Ninja Kiwi has honestly gone to ♥♥♥♥.

Bloonstones are plentiful, even with just NLL bonuses. There's 3000 tiles to capture, also the events allow gaining a lot more.

As for monkey knowledge, it's 100% not required but it helps. The same guy I've linked above beat BMC flash without opening a single pack.

[feelfreetodie]

Great game, my favourite TD game.
BMC is not a simple game, there is a lot to learn and understand. I played on Kongregate and had both cities lvl 40 and knowledge maxed having never spent any money. That being said there were players that made me look like I had just started the game.
Best part of this game is that you are able to complete all tiles using different builds/strategies.

I have only been playing on steam for a week now and I have noticed many changes and towers being nerfed you just have to adapt. So much to learn.

People play the game for 2-4 weeks and think they understand? This game is nowhere near being a P2W game. Keep plugging away and redoing the tiles till you dont lose any lives then do it again with different towers. LEARN

[Morior Invictus]

Originally posted by ;2242175653304462299:

Originally posted by Coach's Coach:

The Steam version is definitely different though, it's not a simple mobile port where all things are equal.

Quite is. Since this port's release the bugs that appeared on PC have appeared on mobile. They're cross compatible, almost the exact same.

I can attest to the Steam version being different. I've watched alot of strategy videos on youtube that are years old and have the mobile UI and the waves are alot more aggressive in the Steam version where the same strategies don't work.

[Jon.Topps]

Originally posted by Übermensch:

the Steam version being different... videos on youtube that are years old

If it's years old, then it's been updated. I imagine there are some differences between steam and mobile, but going back years doesn't show that, it just shows there's been updates over time, which there definitely have been.