REMOVE DENUVO,make GOG version

[JohnJohnson]

sorry, dev's but this laggy crap named Denuvo is the ONLY THING that keeps many from playing this game.
Optimization has to be a top priority for the FPS games like this. if it's as laggy as sh*t as it is now,people will rightfully call your game they way it deserves, but if your game is really good enought, people will buy it anyway simply for the sake of paying respect to you. but the use of denuvo doesn't bring you any respect from gamers community.. shame on you, silly company, you're just ruining experience of many because of your dumb greed...

[Laicus]

Another beggar. It's wonderful! So the game is still not cracked! Hurray! I hope the nasty freeloaders never get it. I don't know what the reason is that the game has not been cracked yet, but I hope the same or even more reliable protection will be in all Arkane games.

[JohnJohnson]

Laicus, you sound like a paid fool or just the one who's never heard about optimization, probably cause you have so freaking top-notch PC that you don't give a sh*t about things you install on it at all. People shouldn't constantly be forced to buy overly expensive hardware just in order to fullfill the greed of some companies where they could have had just a normal game experience otherwise. It's not a matter of a particular game's price, its a matter of optimization. If you are reasonable, I doubt you'd be happy to know that your PC had to run tons of additional ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRM "malware" just for the sake of themselves without any way to turn it off. Especially when there's a clear way to optimize that.

I personally feel let down by devs cause I used to love Dishonored so much. Dishonored 1 ran so smoothly and was perfectly optimized, but since the release of Dishonored 2 all that Denuvo crap started. Performance of the game has fallen catastrophically. And the same situation now happens with Deathloop. it's just a shame, I can't name it otherwise.

[Laicus]

Originally posted by fowl:

Laicus, you sound like a paid fool or just the one who's never heard about optimization, probably cause you have so freaking top-notch PC that you don't give a sh*t about things you install on it at all. People shouldn't constantly be forced to buy overly expensive hardware just in order to fullfill the greed of some companies where they could have had just a normal game experience otherwise. It's not a matter of a particular game's price, its a matter of optimization. If you are reasonable, I doubt you'd be happy to know that your PC had to run tons of additional ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRM "malware" just for the sake of themselves without any way to turn it off. Especially when there's a clear way to optimize that.

This is complete bull$hit. I'm playing on a mobile GTX 1650 Ti, the game works fine. While there is piracy, games should be protected, DEATHLOOP has not cracked yet, and I am happy for Arkane, and I enjoy their wonderful game without experiencing any performance problems. Now this is the best solution to the problem of piracy, and such protection should be in all games.

[Mister Breaker]

Originally posted by Laicus:

Originally posted by fowl:

Laicus, you sound like a paid fool or just the one who's never heard about optimization, probably cause you have so freaking top-notch PC that you don't give a sh*t about things you install on it at all. People shouldn't constantly be forced to buy overly expensive hardware just in order to fullfill the greed of some companies where they could have had just a normal game experience otherwise. It's not a matter of a particular game's price, its a matter of optimization. If you are reasonable, I doubt you'd be happy to know that your PC had to run tons of additional ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRM "malware" just for the sake of themselves without any way to turn it off. Especially when there's a clear way to optimize that.

This is complete bull$hit. I'm playing on a mobile GTX 1650 Ti, the game works fine. While there is piracy, games should be protected, DEATHLOOP has not cracked yet, and I am happy for Arkane, and I enjoy their wonderful game without experiencing any performance problems. Now this is the best solution to the problem of piracy, and such protection should be in all games.

DRM should never harm the legitimate consumer, yet it always does. From SecuROM to Denuvo, legitimate customers get an inferior product while pirates, maybe not right away, end up with the better package. Denuvo to be fair has a minimal impact to performance but it is there.

Deathloop's real problem is lack of proper optimization. Plus the EU commissioned a report on piracy some years ago and it found piracy doesn't hurt overall sales when in fact, the opposite was true. Denuvo puts off pirates and some legit customers, meaning less overall people will be playing and lets be honest, Arkane's games never sell too well. Deathloop has a lot less people playing and the game seems to be abandoned. Denuvo is just a fat money sink that has no benefit. In this internet age, pirates can and will wait for cracks as there are many, many more games to play.

[Yazloz]

Yes please, remove this ♥♥♥♥, the performance of the game is horrible.
We bought the game and we have the worst version.
Never buy another Arkane game.

[Laicus]

Originally posted by Mister Breaker:

DRM should never harm the legitimate consumer, yet it always does. From SecuROM to Denuvo, legitimate customers get an inferior product while pirates, maybe not right away, end up with the better package. Denuvo to be fair has a minimal impact to performance but it is there.

Deathloop's real problem is lack of proper optimization. Plus the EU commissioned a report on piracy some years ago and it found piracy doesn't hurt overall sales when in fact, the opposite was true. Denuvo puts off pirates and some legit customers, meaning less overall people will be playing and lets be honest, Arkane's games never sell too well. Deathloop has a lot less people playing and the game seems to be abandoned. Denuvo is just a fat money sink that has no benefit. In this internet age, pirates can and will wait for cracks as there are many, many more games to play.

You are missing the main thing, piracy needs to be completely destroyed, any methods are good for this. Protection does not cause any harm, it is part of the product that you buy, so it is normal that while the game is running, protection consumes computer resources. Piracy is evil, DRM is the fight against evil. You offer to put up with evil, it's wrong.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Van Grogue(BR):

laicus never helps anyone, report this guy so this forum can be clean

Report him for saying the game runs fine and piracy is bad? You don't have to agree, but reporting him for that isn't going to get anywhere.

[Mori Riden]

Laicus is clutching at straws that are getting shorter and shorter as somebody finds another hole in his 'argument'. I have got a average rig. I have only got a Ryzen 5 3500x processor and a GeForce RTX 2060. The game runs smoothly with no stuttering. There is the known issue of the game randomly freezing but this is not performance related. Laicus and others needs to just realise that games can't be kept at basic performance levels just so people who refuse or cannot afford to get a higher grade rig can play it. Either upgrade or stop moaning.

[Laicus]

Originally posted by The Inquisitor:

Laicus is clutching at straws that are getting shorter and shorter as somebody finds another hole in his 'argument'. I have got a average rig. I have only got a Ryzen 5 3500x processor and a GeForce RTX 2060. The game runs smoothly with no stuttering. There is the known issue of the game randomly freezing but this is not performance related. Laicus and others needs to just realise that games can't be kept at basic performance levels just so people who refuse or cannot afford to get a higher grade rig can play it. Either upgrade or stop moaning.

Can you understand that people don't have the right to pirate/steal games and other things, and that people don't have the right to use cracked/stolen things?
There will be no piracy, there will be no DRM.

[davidsu]

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Originally posted by Van Grogue(BR):

laicus never helps anyone, report this guy so this forum can be clean

Report him for saying the game runs fine and piracy is bad? You don't have to agree, but reporting him for that isn't going to get anywhere.

no, its cuz he never helps whit the main problem a lot of people is having, he just come here to cause conflict, you can see this in A LOT of other threads here, so my report is done, the comunity does not need people like this

[Laicus]

Originally posted by Van Grogue(BR):

no, its cuz he never helps whit the main problem a lot of people is having, he just come here to cause conflict, you can see this in A LOT of other threads here, so my report is done, the comunity does not need people like this

I love Arkane and their games, and I try as much as I can to separate the wheat from the chaff so that people are not confused by all sorts of trolls and freebie lovers, and so that people do not take the dark side. When a person objectively criticizes a game or a company, I always try to understand his point of view, but when some troll vilifies the company, its games and its decisions, offends it (look what nastiness is written in the first post of this topic), this cannot be tolerated, moderators should punish for such trolling. Arkane is one of the best gaming companies, DEATHLOOP is a great game that does not have any serious performance problems, DRM is a necessary thing, and no one has the right to insult companies for using Denuvo to protect their products. Blame the pirates, they are criminals, and because of them companies have to use DRM.

[Mobbie]

Game doesn't work fine lmao booted up 10 mins ago did one mission ran fine for 5 mins then started to stutter every time i moved.. on 6800xt ryzen 5600x 32gb of ram at 3600mhz installed on a ssd. This was in the complex and the complex isnt even worse area for it Fristad Rock is 2nd worse for it then whatever big house area is

[DumbBell420]

Originally posted by Laicus:

Originally posted by Van Grogue(BR):

no, its cuz he never helps whit the main problem a lot of people is having, he just come here to cause conflict, you can see this in A LOT of other threads here, so my report is done, the comunity does not need people like this

I love Arkane and their games, and I try as much as I can to separate the wheat from the chaff so that people are not confused by all sorts of trolls and freebie lovers, and so that people do not take the dark side. When a person objectively criticizes a game or a company, I always try to understand his point of view, but when some troll vilifies the company, its games and its decisions, offends it (look what nastiness is written in the first post of this topic), this cannot be tolerated, moderators should punish for such trolling. Arkane is one of the best gaming companies, DEATHLOOP is a great game that does not have any serious performance problems, DRM is a necessary thing, and no one has the right to insult companies for using Denuvo to protect their products. Blame the pirates, they are criminals, and because of them companies have to use DRM.

You miss something very important in the piracy topic. Those who pirate games won't buy them anyways, but the consumers that have trust in the company may skip a product due to DRM and decreased performance. So, unless you can statistically prove that protecting games with DRM brings more value to the product, discussing this topic any further will be pointless.

As an example, you can see how many people that would buy Dying Light 2 have skipped it, including myself. There are multiple reports from the press that the review copy that was without Denuvo didn't have any stutters like there are now with DRM.

It's honestly so funny how the only argument that people protecting DRM have is "piracy is evil..bad..etc.", without even realizing that this is more about consumers than pirates...

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by DumbBell420:

You miss something very important in the piracy topic. Those who pirate games won't buy them anyways, but the consumers that have trust in the company may skip a product due to DRM and decreased performance. So, unless you can statistically prove that protecting games with DRM brings more value to the product, discussing this topic any further will be pointless.

That's a great claim and all, but there's no evidence of your claim either. It's just your opinion on what sells better vs. his with regards to DRM. It appears companies tend to side with him, and presumably they should be better informed than random people on the Steam forums - although who knows, it may also be a show of anti-piracy to comfort investors.

[DumbBell420]

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Originally posted by DumbBell420:

You miss something very important in the piracy topic. Those who pirate games won't buy them anyways, but the consumers that have trust in the company may skip a product due to DRM and decreased performance. So, unless you can statistically prove that protecting games with DRM brings more value to the product, discussing this topic any further will be pointless.

That's a great claim and all, but there's no evidence of your claim either. It's just your opinion on what sells better vs. his with regards to DRM. It appears companies tend to side with him, and presumably they should be better informed than random people on the Steam forums - although who knows, it may also be a show of anti-piracy to comfort investors.

There is evidence of my claim. A major study was conducted by EU (304 page report), which summarizes that there is no evidence about piracy harming sales.

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

I would also think that people in these companies are informed better, but I think it's clear at this point that management in some big AAA studios make decisions on who knows what...These people have a completely different education which is good in it's own field, but can go wrong when applied to decisions such as this one.