Why won't my logs sit still?

[Fry]

I just started a new game on Silverun Forest. Every time I fill up my log trailer and strap it all down I make it about 100 meters before the logs start to twitch and wiggle around. It even starts tipping the trailer over when I'm going straight on flat ground. I've tried stopping and undoing the tension belts to let the logs settle, then restrapping. But, the same thing happens every time, I start driving and all the logs start to tweak out again. The last time I played silverrun forest, about a year ago, I never had this problem. Short logs, long logs. Once I used the tension straps all the logs froze in place and didn't move at all, like they're supposed to.

Anyone else experiencing something similar?

[CrazyDutchBloke]

What setup are you driving. Does it happen on base game trailers? Might be some collision thats bugging if its a mod. Really need more info on for a answer.

[Fry]

Originally posted by CrazyDutchBloke:

What setup are you driving. Does it happen on base game trailers? Might be some collision thats bugging if its a mod. Really need more info on for a answer.

I've tried it with base trailers and modded trailers. Same result.

[Yawahoo]

So, with me it's the same. The collision model of wood is really bad and often the logs dance on the cars or trailers.

[Dan L]

It's a long time Giants issue with the tension belts. Remove the belts and drive carefully

[Wizard]

I don't have this problem and I use all base game logging equipment. It may be something that can be fixed with troubleshooting.

How well are your logs stacked?
Do you maintain stable fps?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2852307044

[ProviD]

My first question would be:
Are you overloading the trailer?
Some combinations can (safely) handle surprisingly low amounts of load.

Be it pallets, logs etc the trailer and puller combinations can only handle so much before the physics start to go wonky.

Ofc there WILL be some cases where logs or phantom branches (think they're going to) clip into each other and cause physics calculations where there should be none.

Not sure what has been broken in last updates but certainly it seems something is slowly going haywire. This issue seems to be increasing in frequency more GIANTS add into the game.

[Fry]

Originally posted by Wizard:

I don't have this problem and I use all base game logging equipment. It may be something that can be fixed with troubleshooting.

How well are your logs stacked?
Do you maintain stable fps?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2852307044

I don't mean to brag, but I happen to pride myself on loading everything manually, and making it look perfect. It's almost a guilty pleasure. And my FPS is stable.

Originally posted by ProviD:

My first question would be:
Are you overloading the trailer?
Some combinations can (safely) handle surprisingly low amounts of load.

Be it pallets, logs etc the trailer and puller combinations can only handle so much before the physics start to go wonky.

Ofc there WILL be some cases where logs or phantom branches (think they're going to) clip into each other and cause physics calculations where there should be none.

Not sure what has been broken in last updates but certainly it seems something is slowly going haywire. This issue seems to be increasing in frequency more GIANTS add into the game.

I guess I am guilty of loading my trailers as full as I can. Usually flush with the tops of the poles along each side of the trailer.

But my confusion remains. I know for an absolute fact, that when the platinum expansion came out, I always loaded my trailers as full as possible and I NEVER had this issue. And now suddenly I can't go 100 feet without my logs tweaking out.

[Wizard]

Originally posted by Fry:

I don't mean to brag, but I happen to pride myself on loading everything manually, and making it look perfect. It's almost a guilty pleasure. And my FPS is stable.

I know the feeling. Forestry is one of my favorite parts of the game, and a well loaded trailer is a thing of beauty. I think that people who use autoload on trees are totally robbing themselves.

As far as your problem goes, I feel like I've heard it before, maybe on fs19, but a solution doesn't come to mind. I'll do some looking around, and see if I can dig up an old thread.

[Wizard]

Alright, I found the thread:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1248130/discussions/0/3790379982475518508/

I don't know if Stenleh44 found a solution, but he's still quite active on the forums. Perhaps he has some insight.

[Fry]

Originally posted by Wizard:

Originally posted by Fry:

I don't mean to brag, but I happen to pride myself on loading everything manually, and making it look perfect. It's almost a guilty pleasure. And my FPS is stable.

I know the feeling. Forestry is one of my favorite parts of the game, and a well loaded trailer is a thing of beauty. I think that people who use autoload on trees are totally robbing themselves.

As far as your problem goes, I feel like I've heard it before, maybe on fs19, but a solution doesn't come to mind. I'll do some looking around, and see if I can dig up an old thread.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3163126735

Alright, this seems stupid but I guess it's an overloading issue. I stopped loading early on this load. I could have easily added another 7-8 logs. I made it all the way to the mill BUT, the logs still wiggled a little bit out of place just not nearly as much as before. I guess it's a fix...

[Dapper Dan]

guess ill delete my post about this. hoping giants can get the hitboxes and physics right. i tried looking thru some basic game XMLs and can't find anything to adjust the physics of logs and pallets. i have the same issue when loading a flatbed to the roofline with pallets. god forbid we try to be efficient... the physics just don't support it i guess. wishing they could overhaul the entire game and make it run nicely as well as make the physics behave. can someone in their inner circle please share this post with them? logging is my favorite activity in this game. it feels ruined now.

[Wizard]

Originally posted by Dapper Dan:

guess ill delete my post about this. hoping giants can get the hitboxes and physics right. i tried looking thru some basic game XMLs and can't find anything to adjust the physics of logs and pallets. i have the same issue when loading a flatbed to the roofline with pallets. god forbid we try to be efficient... the physics just don't support it i guess. wishing they could overhaul the entire game and make it run nicely as well as make the physics behave. can someone in their inner circle please share this post with them? logging is my favorite activity in this game. it feels ruined now.

You might want to check out FDR Modding if you haven't already. They have good equipment and maps specifically for logging who's equipment and trees have been optimized for the experience.

[Stenleh44]

Originally posted by Wizard:

Originally posted by Dapper Dan:

guess ill delete my post about this. hoping giants can get the hitboxes and physics right. i tried looking thru some basic game XMLs and can't find anything to adjust the physics of logs and pallets. i have the same issue when loading a flatbed to the roofline with pallets. god forbid we try to be efficient... the physics just don't support it i guess. wishing they could overhaul the entire game and make it run nicely as well as make the physics behave. can someone in their inner circle please share this post with them? logging is my favorite activity in this game. it feels ruined now.

You might want to check out FDR Modding if you haven't already. They have good equipment and maps specifically for logging who's equipment and trees have been optimized for the experience.

I second this. He’s got the physics figured out with his maps and equipment. It’s logging at its finest.

Hard core logging though….no farming.

[Fry]

Originally posted by Wizard:

Originally posted by Dapper Dan:

guess ill delete my post about this. hoping giants can get the hitboxes and physics right. i tried looking thru some basic game XMLs and can't find anything to adjust the physics of logs and pallets. i have the same issue when loading a flatbed to the roofline with pallets. god forbid we try to be efficient... the physics just don't support it i guess. wishing they could overhaul the entire game and make it run nicely as well as make the physics behave. can someone in their inner circle please share this post with them? logging is my favorite activity in this game. it feels ruined now.

You might want to check out FDR Modding if you haven't already. They have good equipment and maps specifically for logging who's equipment and trees have been optimized for the experience.

I checked out FDR. If ya'll like their stuff that's totally fine, I'm not here to tell anyone their dumb for liking something and I totally appreciate the amount of work they've put into their mods to make a good game better. But none of the FDR stuff is enjoyable so far.

None of their machines work with default controls. With their key binding mod on and off I still get no bindings, default controls don't work, and i have to manually input everything. I even tried to use a vanilla tree harvester and clearly everything FDR is designed to work with FDR mods only. I just tried to cut down a tree and my harvester was flopping all over the place. If I could get their machines to work without having to manually input the controls for everything, I'd totally use them.

And second, the map quality. They all feel like rough drafts of maps that never got finished. The quality feels like a notch or three below the vanilla maps. They are all super basic and lack any sense of realism and attention to detail.

Trust me, I want to like it. But, it ain't working out so far.

[Dapper Dan]

Originally posted by Fry:

Originally posted by Wizard:

You might want to check out FDR Modding if you haven't already. They have good equipment and maps specifically for logging who's equipment and trees have been optimized for the experience.

I checked out FDR. If ya'll like their stuff that's totally fine, I'm not here to tell anyone their dumb for liking something and I totally appreciate the amount of work they've put into their mods to make a good game better. But none of the FDR stuff is enjoyable so far.

None of their machines work with default controls. With their key binding mod on and off I still get no bindings, default controls don't work, and i have to manually input everything. I even tried to use a vanilla tree harvester and clearly everything FDR is designed to work with FDR mods only. I just tried to cut down a tree and my harvester was flopping all over the place. If I could get their machines to work without having to manually input the controls for everything, I'd totally use them.

And second, the map quality. They all feel like rough drafts of maps that never got finished. The quality feels like a notch or three below the vanilla maps. They are all super basic and lack any sense of realism and attention to detail.

Trust me, I want to like it. But, it ain't working out so far.

it's actually not very time consuming to setup the keybinds. when you input one keybind for movement, it will input the opposite for the opposite action. example: turn cab right, set the keybind you want for that (say "right click and move mouse right") it will automatically set "turn cab left" to the same set of controls but the opposite mouse direction. just take 5 minutes to figure out what you want the binds to be and you'll be done. i promise using his equipment is very easy and enjoyable. you can debranch every tree before you even start cutting it into smaller pieces using the "feed harvester forward/backward" keys. as for the maps quality... yeah. but whatever. edit your save to have lots of money, place some buildings around and boom it's more lively. just be aware there is no good way to transport his equipment on a trailer because his machines weigh 140000 tons. im serious about that value there. theyre reaaaaally heavy. you can have the stuff transported wherever you want using the "store deliveries" mod, they're too heavy to even lift with super strength on so you can't even pick them up to move them around.