You think when you don't put it on sale I'll buy? Oh boy you're mistaken

[InkWithGold]

At least 50% off to even consider the repackaged FS19
You honestly think you're higher or better than all those devs and publishers doing Black Friday and previous sales that you're keeping it like a gem? It's not a gem. It's a repacked old version with mods.

You can keep for yourselves.
Won't see a penny from me this season or the upcoming one

Bad strategy and you're missing on a lot of sales. People will spend their money on other stuff because this will always be here at that price. Keep it

[Chesty La'Rou]

Origineel geplaatst door wolfedg:

'Repackaged' lol. As of the platinum release the game has the two best base maps by a longshot of any they've ever produced (Elmcreek and Silverrun with Haut Beyleron still being at least as good as 19s maps) reworked mechanics on many things
especially logging now(still needs work but much better) and a vast new roster of high detail machines. No repackaging going on here.

But GIANTS could have just released us GIANTS engine and then the modders could have made the game! problem solved!

[Rusty_S]

Origineel geplaatst door wolfedg:

'Repackaged' lol. As of the platinum release the game has the two best base maps by a longshot of any they've ever produced (Elmcreek and Silverrun with Haut Beyleron still being at least as good as 19s maps) reworked mechanics on many things
especially logging now(still needs work but much better) and a vast new roster of high detail machines. No repackaging going on here.

So two new maps is all it takes to make this a new game?

Im sure the CoD haters would like to point out that they introduce new maps but its still the same game as previously. Same as the sports games that has new games released every year yet they are the same game with changes only made to rosters that were better suited as a DLC at a fraction of the cost.

Sorry but I still want to get this game but I cant justify the price no matter how much mod content is added to the game. I still will be running a mod map regardless cause with FS19 they couldnt make a US map worth a damn, the only real US map on there is a island with streets laid out nothing like the US with non US speed limit signs. Not to mention a complete lack of implements that are sold in the US that are quite common such as plows that arent on a wheeled assembly but is more like a box blade or a shredder that is fully supported by the tractor itself. I had to download mods to get that equipment seeing as in FS19 the starter fields are so cramped you need small equipment. Not to mention all the mods to get small US tractors as the Fendt while it may or may not be popular in Europe has never been heard of nor seen in the US by farmers or land owners here in the US. We run John Deer, Ford, New Holland (which is what Ford is known as now), Kubota, etc and they are small open cab tractors as well that one can pick up for under $50,000 new or under $20,000 used.

Still I will gladly buy this game when the pricing properly reflects how much this product is worth to me. Till then I will continue to play FS19 that I picked up for $20 with the season pass on sale a few years ago. Once this hits around $20 with a season pass for all DLC I will buy it too, but I will not pay $40 for FS22 with no DLC.

[DutchDoofus]

Origineel geplaatst door Rusty_S:

Origineel geplaatst door wolfedg:

'Repackaged' lol. As of the platinum release the game has the two best base maps by a longshot of any they've ever produced (Elmcreek and Silverrun with Haut Beyleron still being at least as good as 19s maps) reworked mechanics on many things
especially logging now(still needs work but much better) and a vast new roster of high detail machines. No repackaging going on here.

So two new maps is all it takes to make this a new game?

Im sure the CoD haters would like to point out that they introduce new maps but its still the same game as previously. Same as the sports games that has new games released every year yet they are the same game with changes only made to rosters that were better suited as a DLC at a fraction of the cost.

Sorry but I still want to get this game but I cant justify the price no matter how much mod content is added to the game. I still will be running a mod map regardless cause with FS19 they couldnt make a US map worth a damn, the only real US map on there is a island with streets laid out nothing like the US with non US speed limit signs. Not to mention a complete lack of implements that are sold in the US that are quite common such as plows that arent on a wheeled assembly but is more like a box blade or a shredder that is fully supported by the tractor itself. I had to download mods to get that equipment seeing as in FS19 the starter fields are so cramped you need small equipment. Not to mention all the mods to get small US tractors as the Fendt while it may or may not be popular in Europe has never been heard of nor seen in the US by farmers or land owners here in the US. We run John Deer, Ford, New Holland (which is what Ford is known as now), Kubota, etc and they are small open cab tractors as well that one can pick up for under $50,000 new or under $20,000 used.

Still I will gladly buy this game when the pricing properly reflects how much this product is worth to me. Till then I will continue to play FS19 that I picked up for $20 with the season pass on sale a few years ago. Once this hits around $20 with a season pass for all DLC I will buy it too, but I will not pay $40 for FS22 with no DLC.

Then just wait, and be sour about it :)

[Rusty_S]

Origineel geplaatst door TheBazzterd U`r Average Gamer:

Origineel geplaatst door Rusty_S:

So two new maps is all it takes to make this a new game?

Im sure the CoD haters would like to point out that they introduce new maps but its still the same game as previously. Same as the sports games that has new games released every year yet they are the same game with changes only made to rosters that were better suited as a DLC at a fraction of the cost.

Sorry but I still want to get this game but I cant justify the price no matter how much mod content is added to the game. I still will be running a mod map regardless cause with FS19 they couldnt make a US map worth a damn, the only real US map on there is a island with streets laid out nothing like the US with non US speed limit signs. Not to mention a complete lack of implements that are sold in the US that are quite common such as plows that arent on a wheeled assembly but is more like a box blade or a shredder that is fully supported by the tractor itself. I had to download mods to get that equipment seeing as in FS19 the starter fields are so cramped you need small equipment. Not to mention all the mods to get small US tractors as the Fendt while it may or may not be popular in Europe has never been heard of nor seen in the US by farmers or land owners here in the US. We run John Deer, Ford, New Holland (which is what Ford is known as now), Kubota, etc and they are small open cab tractors as well that one can pick up for under $50,000 new or under $20,000 used.

Still I will gladly buy this game when the pricing properly reflects how much this product is worth to me. Till then I will continue to play FS19 that I picked up for $20 with the season pass on sale a few years ago. Once this hits around $20 with a season pass for all DLC I will buy it too, but I will not pay $40 for FS22 with no DLC.

Then just wait, and be sour about it :)

One I am waiting never said I wasnt.

Two I am not sour. I am stating a fact of how I view this. That doesnt make me sour I am not the one making a thread to complain about how its not on sale, I stated I am waiting till the price is reasonable. Might want to refresh yourself on reading comprehension before you go accusing people of being this or that.

[Chesty La'Rou]

Origineel geplaatst door Rusty_S:

Origineel geplaatst door TheBazzterd U`r Average Gamer:

Then just wait, and be sour about it :)

One I am waiting never said I wasnt.

Two I am not sour. I am stating a fact of how I view this. That doesnt make me sour I am not the one making a thread to complain about how its not on sale, I stated I am waiting till the price is reasonable. Might want to refresh yourself on reading comprehension before you go accusing people of being this or that.

Having been one of the 1% of gamers who actually seem to have been around a while now....

I do have to point out that back when people like me still used to go to the fancy video game isle with the glass cases at the local Toys R Us for our Nintendo games....

Hey guess what...new(er) NES carts still costed 50-60 dollars, but I mean that's 30 years ago....

and Sega DOES what NintenDON'T!

[Rusty_S]

Origineel geplaatst door Chesty La'Rou:

Origineel geplaatst door Rusty_S:

One I am waiting never said I wasnt.

Two I am not sour. I am stating a fact of how I view this. That doesnt make me sour I am not the one making a thread to complain about how its not on sale, I stated I am waiting till the price is reasonable. Might want to refresh yourself on reading comprehension before you go accusing people of being this or that.

Having been one of the 1% of gamers who actually seem to have been around a while now....

I do have to point out that back when people like me still used to go to the fancy video game isle with the glass cases at the local Toys R Us for our Nintendo games....

Hey guess what...new(er) NES carts still costed 50-60 dollars, but I mean that's 30 years ago....

and Sega DOES what NintenDON'T!

The NES cartridges were expensive but that was also more towards the infancy of home video game systems.

For example when Atari came out on the market in late 1977 at $199 for the console ($978.62 adjusted for inflation), games for the Atari system when new typically cost $20 - $30 ($98.35 - $147.53 adjusted for inflation).

Next big step for home video game systems was the NES that saved the video game industry that had a crash starting in 1983. It had a limited release in 1985 with a larger release in 1986. The initial deluxe set had R.O.B., the zapper, two controllers, and two games for a price tag of $180 for the console ($498.53 adjusted for inflation) ,new games were around $50 - $60 ($138.48 - $166.18 adjusted for inflation) and older games could have been had for $40 ($110.79 adjusted for inflation) and then there were the bargain bin with games $20 - $30 ($55.39 - $83.09 adjusted for inflation)

But that is all at the infancy of home video game systems. PC had a different outlook. For example the first games to come out on PC I remember, the first new release I got for PC was for Windows 95 and it was Titanic Adventure Out of Time in 1996, this game was $60 at the time ($113.96 adjusted for inflation) but from there games reduced in price. Half Life in 1998 I picked up the game of the year edition jeweled case for $19.99 ($36.55 adjusted for inflation) and subsequent Half Life expansions, Blue Shift released 2001 for $19.99 ($33.66 adjusted for inflation) and Opposing Force released 1999 for $19.99 ($35.76 adjusted for inflation). Half Life 2 was another big release that I got at launch, it released in 2004 and it was before I had steam, I had to download steam first before the CD would download the game itself. I bought the game physical copy for $39.99 ($63.09 adjusted for inflation) at release and I purchased it from Frys as K-mart where I used to get most of my games from was out of business, Walmart was sold out of it already and Best Buy was the place you went to over pay for the same game.

In a nut shell games started off expensive then they came down in price, during the 1990s and early 2000s you could pick up a PC game new release for $29.99 and 1 year after release it would be $19.99 for the box version or $9.99 for the jewel case if you didnt care for the box and manual. Then the craze with steam came about, no physical product nor physical game manual but the price started to slowly go up to the point where we are now where there are games pushing 15 years old that are still priced here on steam at $49.99 - $59.99 which was unheard of in pc games in the 1990s and early 2000s. They always dropped in price 1 year post launch and would be in the bargain bin for $5.99 by year 3 and then good luck finding it as 3 years after launch they were not on the shelves anymore and your best shot to find a old game was to hit up resellers such as gamestop.

I know all about the evolution of games as I too have been with the gaming world for a long time. While I may not have got my start with the Atari I have played on the Atari system before, I grew up with the NES consoles and know all about those games and the best place to get those games cheap was to hit up blockbuster as after about 3 years the old games are taken off the shelves and put in the box then tossed in a large standing case to be sold off for $5.99 - $10.99 to make room for the new releases. Thats why I have become very strict on how much I will pay for a game cause it is becoming very abusive now with all the DLCs that should be included in the base game that drives the total cost up. Its why I am saddened at the state of Steam sales now a days, I used to sped $100 - $200 on here at the big sales, summer, fall, winter and would always end up with between $600 and $800 worth of games. Now good luck, games on my wish list I placed some 15 years ago dont even get above 50% off yet I remember when Alien Isolation launched and it was a deal of the day that winter sale and I snagged a few month old game release for $9.99. In the end if people want to pay these prices for these games I say more power to them. I how ever wont be as its not worth it in my eyes, if this game was priced right now at $29.99 vs $39.99 and it was on sale for 50% off I would seriously consider buying it, but at $39.99 nope I am not paying that much when I have FS19 and I can wait.

[Chesty La'Rou]

Origineel geplaatst door Rusty_S:

Origineel geplaatst door Chesty La'Rou:

Having been one of the 1% of gamers who actually seem to have been around a while now....

I do have to point out that back when people like me still used to go to the fancy video game isle with the glass cases at the local Toys R Us for our Nintendo games....

Hey guess what...new(er) NES carts still costed 50-60 dollars, but I mean that's 30 years ago....

and Sega DOES what NintenDON'T!

The NES cartridges were expensive but that was also more towards the infancy of home video game systems.

For example when Atari came out on the market in late 1977 at $199 for the console ($978.62 adjusted for inflation), games for the Atari system when new typically cost $20 - $30 ($98.35 - $147.53 adjusted for inflation).

Next big step for home video game systems was the NES that saved the video game industry that had a crash starting in 1983. It had a limited release in 1985 with a larger release in 1986. The initial deluxe set had R.O.B., the zapper, two controllers, and two games for a price tag of $180 for the console ($498.53 adjusted for inflation) ,new games were around $50 - $60 ($138.48 - $166.18 adjusted for inflation) and older games could have been had for $40 ($110.79 adjusted for inflation) and then there were the bargain bin with games $20 - $30 ($55.39 - $83.09 adjusted for inflation)

But that is all at the infancy of home video game systems. PC had a different outlook. For example the first games to come out on PC I remember, the first new release I got for PC was for Windows 95 and it was Titanic Adventure Out of Time in 1996, this game was $60 at the time ($113.96 adjusted for inflation) but from there games reduced in price. Half Life in 1998 I picked up the game of the year edition jeweled case for $19.99 ($36.55 adjusted for inflation) and subsequent Half Life expansions, Blue Shift released 2001 for $19.99 ($33.66 adjusted for inflation) and Opposing Force released 1999 for $19.99 ($35.76 adjusted for inflation). Half Life 2 was another big release that I got at launch, it released in 2004 and it was before I had steam, I had to download steam first before the CD would download the game itself. I bought the game physical copy for $39.99 ($63.09 adjusted for inflation) at release and I purchased it from Frys as K-mart where I used to get most of my games from was out of business, Walmart was sold out of it already and Best Buy was the place you went to over pay for the same game.

In a nut shell games started off expensive then they came down in price, during the 1990s and early 2000s you could pick up a PC game new release for $29.99 and 1 year after release it would be $19.99 for the box version or $9.99 for the jewel case if you didnt care for the box and manual. Then the craze with steam came about, no physical product nor physical game manual but the price started to slowly go up to the point where we are now where there are games pushing 15 years old that are still priced here on steam at $49.99 - $59.99 which was unheard of in pc games in the 1990s and early 2000s. They always dropped in price 1 year post launch and would be in the bargain bin for $5.99 by year 3 and then good luck finding it as 3 years after launch they were not on the shelves anymore and your best shot to find a old game was to hit up resellers such as gamestop.

I know all about the evolution of games as I too have been with the gaming world for a long time. While I may not have got my start with the Atari I have played on the Atari system before, I grew up with the NES consoles and know all about those games and the best place to get those games cheap was to hit up blockbuster as after about 3 years the old games are taken off the shelves and put in the box then tossed in a large standing case to be sold off for $5.99 - $10.99 to make room for the new releases. Thats why I have become very strict on how much I will pay for a game cause it is becoming very abusive now with all the DLCs that should be included in the base game that drives the total cost up. Its why I am saddened at the state of Steam sales now a days, I used to sped $100 - $200 on here at the big sales, summer, fall, winter and would always end up with between $600 and $800 worth of games. Now good luck, games on my wish list I placed some 15 years ago dont even get above 50% off yet I remember when Alien Isolation launched and it was a deal of the day that winter sale and I snagged a few month old game release for $9.99. In the end if people want to pay these prices for these games I say more power to them. I how ever wont be as its not worth it in my eyes, if this game was priced right now at $29.99 vs $39.99 and it was on sale for 50% off I would seriously consider buying it, but at $39.99 nope I am not paying that much when I have FS19 and I can wait.

I think you're missing my point. My point is that games being 60 dollars or more when they release is nothing new. It's been this way for a long time. I still have the original receipt from Mediaplay when I bought Fallout in 1997 for Macintosh.

If you want to wait that's fine, it's your money. If someone else doesn't want to wait, that's fine, it's their money.

Unless games become like $120 next week, you will never get the masses to boycott games based on price.

I think Sony and MS started the 60 dollar standard with their consoles. Before the Xbox came around PC games actually were 49.99 for a few years.


I also think people's expectation of what should be included in a base game has also become wildly inflated.

I am in no way defending gamers or game companies. This is completely neutral for me.

[Finney]

No one cares!

[Chesty La'Rou]

Origineel geplaatst door 76561198017506566:

No one cares!

Don't be clown shoes man/woman. This is what forums are for, discussions. We care, that's why we are posting. If you don't care, then don't post junk in an attempt to derail a thread.

[Samtana]

Origineel geplaatst door Finney:

No one cares!

Says the person that couldn't resist posting anyways because "no one cares" lol....gtfo. Lies...

[Rusty_S]

Origineel geplaatst door Chesty La'Rou:

I think you're missing my point. My point is that games being 60 dollars or more when they release is nothing new. It's been this way for a long time. I still have the original receipt from Mediaplay when I bought Fallout in 1997 for Macintosh.

If you want to wait that's fine, it's your money. If someone else doesn't want to wait, that's fine, it's their money.

Unless games become like $120 next week, you will never get the masses to boycott games based on price.

I think Sony and MS started the 60 dollar standard with their consoles. Before the Xbox came around PC games actually were 49.99 for a few years.


I also think people's expectation of what should be included in a base game has also become wildly inflated.

I am in no way defending gamers or game companies. This is completely neutral for me.

Only one missing the point is you, games have not always been $60 cause you forget to take into account the dwindling value of the dollar also known as inflation. For example the NES game cartridges that cost $50 - $60 new in the 1980s you want to view as being the same as games are now but when you account for inflation $50 - $60 when adjusted for inflation is actually paying $138 - $166 for the game if you were to buy it today. Games are cheaper now than they were in the 1980s with game consoles. But they are more money now than they were in the 1990s when games came down in price as evident by the fact that one could get Half Life at release for $36 if you were to buy it today with todays value of the dollar. How many games like Half Life do you see on here or anywhere for that matter that is priced under $39.99? Very few thats for sure as they are all priced $49.99 - $59.99.

But games have become $100+ and have been for a while. People dont care which is why DLC content has taken off. We didnt have DLC`s in the 1990s they were expansions that stood alone from the main game, it wasnt content that is added to the base game that should have been there from the start.

Lets look at FS22 for example.

Farming Simulator 22 : $39.99
FS22 ERO Grapeliner Series 7000 : $1.99
FS22 Pumps n' Hoses Pack : $17.99
FS22 Vermeer Pack : $7.99
FS22 Kubota Pack : $12.99
FS22 Antonio Carraro Pack : $9.99
FS22 Zetor 25 K : $0.99
FS22 Fendt 900 Vario Black Beauty : $0.99
FS22 Mack Trucks Black Anthem : $0.99
FS22 Claas Xerion Saddle Trac Pack : $3.99

Grand total for a complete game with equipment that should be included in the game : $97.90 not counting tax. Also doesnt account for planned future DLCs which will without a doubt put the complete game over $100.00

Even if you bought the Year 1 seasons pass you would still be at $79.98 not counting tax and you still have to buy DLCs that arent included in the year 1 bundle such as the following.

Pumps n' Hoses Pack : $17.99
Fendt 900 Vario Black Beauty : $0.99
Mack Trucks BLack Anthem : $0.99
Claas Xerion Saddle Trac Pack : $3.99

Which bumps the $79.98 price tag to $103.94 before tax.

Its not just FS22 either, take a look at the old game theHunter : Call of the Wild, released back in 2017 with a huge amount of DLCs that should be in the base game such as maps to hunt various animals that you dont get unless you pay for them unless you are content with the free map that comes with the game that doesnt have all the animals on it. You also have to buy DLCs to get most weaponry and equipment as its not part of the base game.

For a grand total of $155.75 for a complete game, people dont complain about it nor do they stop buying games like this that gives you bare bones then sells you required items for a hunting game in a DLC that should have been in the base game.

No different than Train Simulator, you can buy the game but you dont get any trains until you buy trains via DLC packs. I had Train Simulator for years and only had the little model rail road christmas train cause it was on sale for a reasonable amount. Then I bought some other trains and the required maps to use them lets break this one down for this game that released back in 2009 and as of currently has 687 DLCs

Train Simulator : $24.99
Taurus Mountains Ulukisla - Yenice Route Add-On : $29.99
Drautalbahn : Klagenfurt - Spittal Millstattersee Route Add-On : $29.99
Stevens Pass Scenario Pack 01 : $9.99
Flying Scotsman Centenary Steam Loco Add-On : $19.99
Tohoku High Speed & Main Line Route Add-On : $39.99
Longahi Railway : Lingbao - Mianchi Route Add-On : $3.99
Frankfurt U-Bahn Route Add-On : $39.99
Frankfurt S-Bahn Rhein Main Route Add-On : $39.99
Chengdu-Suining High Speed Route Add-On : $19.99
etc....

Total of just the above I listed which is the first nine DLCs out of 687 DLCs comes out to a total of $278.90 and I am not going to add up all 687 DLCs for this game but below is what I own for this game and I bought it on sale so I didnt pay the full price for what I have.

Train Simulator : $24.99
Union Pacific Big Boy Loco Add-On $19.99 (NA on Steam anymore)
Union Pacific Challenger Loco Add-On : $7.99
The Holiday Express : $6.99
Sherman Hill Route Add-On : $19.99
Clear Creek Narrow Gauge Common Route Add-On : $39.99
Union Pacific No. 119 Steam Loco Add-On : $24.99

Which has me right at $144.93 in this game alone which thankfully what I have was from back in the days when steam sales were good I would have to go through my emails to get how much I paid for all this but I bet I didnt pay over $50 for all of the above. I would like to get more of the locomotives as I have a lot on my wish list still but the sales just arent what they were and these locomotives seldom go on sale for more than 30% off.

Another one is American Truck Simulator, I have the base game and a few DLCs but no map DLCs, I got this cause I grew up with many truck games like this and one of the last ones I played was 18 Wheels of Steel that had the whole US in the game and picked it up for $29.99 when it came out. American Truck Simulator how ever gives you California, Nevada, and Arizona. Which isnt bad but it limits you to the western half of the US and limits what kind of jobs you can take. The rest of the states are slowly being added to the game via paid DLC along with skins and equipment both of which you didnt have to really pay for in 18 Wheels of Steel. But to get the complete US and all equipment which is currently offered the total would set you back $188.72 and we still have numerous states to do to complete the US.

So no the masses will never boycott games based on price it is why I dont waste my time calling for boycotts and why I just wait till I can get the products I want for as little as possible. People want to cry about how im harming the game industry by spending as little as I can for a given product but yet no one cares to mention that gaming today has come to the point where you pay top dollar for a incomplete game that they then sell you the rest of the game via DLCs and people gladly buy it spending well over $100 in the end and no one cares. Its why I waited to get FS19 on sale and picked up FS19 with pass for all DLCs and spent under $30 on it all. Your average gamer has been brain washed to the point that they dont care anymore and the publishers couldnt be more happy than ever as its more money for them.

On the topic of the $60 standard, the price of games have been going up. As I stated making a equal comparison for adjusting for inflation the early days of at home game systems we were paying over $100 per game in todays dollar value then in the 1990s things slowly dropped to the point where we were paying under $40 per game in todays dollar value then the mid 2000`s came around the DLC idea exploded due to players not caring about being sold the rest of a game as a DLC and now games are back where they were before costing over $100. That is why I am up in arms about so much the publishers do cause they are screwing us gamers over but nothing will change till people band together and quit falling for it which I dont think will ever happen.

As far as expectations on what should be included in a base game, that is a highly questionable as each person will have a different idea. But to use some ideas from examples I presented above lets use Farming Simulator for an example. If the game is about farming then I would expect the game to come with farming equipment in the standard game. I wouldnt how ever expect the game to come with various maps how ever outside of a US map a Europe Map, a Africa Map and an Asia map to cover all bases. In the case of American Truck Simulator I would expect it to have in the base game well America. Not just a few states and then force us to pay for the other states. In the case of the Hunting Game Call of the Wild, I would expect to be able to well hunt various animals without having to buy other maps. I would alsp expect to have all hunting gear in the base game as well. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for tree stands or blinds when that is vital to hunting. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for guns which is vital to hunting. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for trophy lodges to show off my kills that I kept.

As far as defending one side or the other, I dont defend anyone cause everyone I feel has to make their own choices. I do how ever call out shady business pratices when I see it such as how DLC`s became the standard where the rest of the game is sold to you. In the past we used to get video games that had 10, 15, 20 hours worth of game play and now we get games that dont have that but then sell you the rest of the game via DLC, like Mafia II for example, cut content was sold to us as DLCs which should have been in the base game such as being able to modify your car to a level 3 performance level which was blocked behind a console exclusive dlc for a long time before it was brought to pc. But on the flip side if the DLC is like how Mafia 3 was done where the DLC added new story missions and a new area then I am more ok with that cause we already had a complete game and the added content is to expand on the complete game not to complete the game.

I know this is a long post but this is a interesting topic to cover and break down long as everyone can remain civil about it. Way more productive than simply complaining about the price of the game. The publisher can set what ever price they want, it is we the consumers that allows ourselves to be ripped off by not being able to control ourselves when it comes to how much we are willing to pay for what we get.

[The Old Guard]

Origineel geplaatst door InkWithGold:

At least 50% off to even consider the repackaged FS19
You honestly think you're higher or better than all those devs and publishers doing Black Friday and previous sales that you're keeping it like a gem? It's not a gem. It's a repacked old version with mods.

You can keep for yourselves.
Won't see a penny from me this season or the upcoming one

Bad strategy and you're missing on a lot of sales. People will spend their money on other stuff because this will always be here at that price. Keep it

Couldn't agree more. Not paying full price for a rehash game from years ago..

[Tom Homan, Border Bouncer]

I would definitely like to see this game go on sale this Christmas season, I wanted to buy a few copies for friends.

[Chesty La'Rou]

Origineel geplaatst door Rusty_S:

Origineel geplaatst door Chesty La'Rou:

I think you're missing my point. My point is that games being 60 dollars or more when they release is nothing new. It's been this way for a long time. I still have the original receipt from Mediaplay when I bought Fallout in 1997 for Macintosh.

If you want to wait that's fine, it's your money. If someone else doesn't want to wait, that's fine, it's their money.

Unless games become like $120 next week, you will never get the masses to boycott games based on price.

I think Sony and MS started the 60 dollar standard with their consoles. Before the Xbox came around PC games actually were 49.99 for a few years.


I also think people's expectation of what should be included in a base game has also become wildly inflated.

I am in no way defending gamers or game companies. This is completely neutral for me.

Only one missing the point is you, games have not always been $60 cause you forget to take into account the dwindling value of the dollar also known as inflation. For example the NES game cartridges that cost $50 - $60 new in the 1980s you want to view as being the same as games are now but when you account for inflation $50 - $60 when adjusted for inflation is actually paying $138 - $166 for the game if you were to buy it today. Games are cheaper now than they were in the 1980s with game consoles. But they are more money now than they were in the 1990s when games came down in price as evident by the fact that one could get Half Life at release for $36 if you were to buy it today with todays value of the dollar. How many games like Half Life do you see on here or anywhere for that matter that is priced under $39.99? Very few thats for sure as they are all priced $49.99 - $59.99.

But games have become $100+ and have been for a while. People dont care which is why DLC content has taken off. We didnt have DLC`s in the 1990s they were expansions that stood alone from the main game, it wasnt content that is added to the base game that should have been there from the start.

Lets look at FS22 for example.

Farming Simulator 22 : $39.99
FS22 ERO Grapeliner Series 7000 : $1.99
FS22 Pumps n' Hoses Pack : $17.99
FS22 Vermeer Pack : $7.99
FS22 Kubota Pack : $12.99
FS22 Antonio Carraro Pack : $9.99
FS22 Zetor 25 K : $0.99
FS22 Fendt 900 Vario Black Beauty : $0.99
FS22 Mack Trucks Black Anthem : $0.99
FS22 Claas Xerion Saddle Trac Pack : $3.99

Grand total for a complete game with equipment that should be included in the game : $97.90 not counting tax. Also doesnt account for planned future DLCs which will without a doubt put the complete game over $100.00

Even if you bought the Year 1 seasons pass you would still be at $79.98 not counting tax and you still have to buy DLCs that arent included in the year 1 bundle such as the following.

Pumps n' Hoses Pack : $17.99
Fendt 900 Vario Black Beauty : $0.99
Mack Trucks BLack Anthem : $0.99
Claas Xerion Saddle Trac Pack : $3.99

Which bumps the $79.98 price tag to $103.94 before tax.

Its not just FS22 either, take a look at the old game theHunter : Call of the Wild, released back in 2017 with a huge amount of DLCs that should be in the base game such as maps to hunt various animals that you dont get unless you pay for them unless you are content with the free map that comes with the game that doesnt have all the animals on it. You also have to buy DLCs to get most weaponry and equipment as its not part of the base game.

For a grand total of $155.75 for a complete game, people dont complain about it nor do they stop buying games like this that gives you bare bones then sells you required items for a hunting game in a DLC that should have been in the base game.

No different than Train Simulator, you can buy the game but you dont get any trains until you buy trains via DLC packs. I had Train Simulator for years and only had the little model rail road christmas train cause it was on sale for a reasonable amount. Then I bought some other trains and the required maps to use them lets break this one down for this game that released back in 2009 and as of currently has 687 DLCs

Train Simulator : $24.99
Taurus Mountains Ulukisla - Yenice Route Add-On : $29.99
Drautalbahn : Klagenfurt - Spittal Millstattersee Route Add-On : $29.99
Stevens Pass Scenario Pack 01 : $9.99
Flying Scotsman Centenary Steam Loco Add-On : $19.99
Tohoku High Speed & Main Line Route Add-On : $39.99
Longahi Railway : Lingbao - Mianchi Route Add-On : $3.99
Frankfurt U-Bahn Route Add-On : $39.99
Frankfurt S-Bahn Rhein Main Route Add-On : $39.99
Chengdu-Suining High Speed Route Add-On : $19.99
etc....

Total of just the above I listed which is the first nine DLCs out of 687 DLCs comes out to a total of $278.90 and I am not going to add up all 687 DLCs for this game but below is what I own for this game and I bought it on sale so I didnt pay the full price for what I have.

Train Simulator : $24.99
Union Pacific Big Boy Loco Add-On $19.99 (NA on Steam anymore)
Union Pacific Challenger Loco Add-On : $7.99
The Holiday Express : $6.99
Sherman Hill Route Add-On : $19.99
Clear Creek Narrow Gauge Common Route Add-On : $39.99
Union Pacific No. 119 Steam Loco Add-On : $24.99

Which has me right at $144.93 in this game alone which thankfully what I have was from back in the days when steam sales were good I would have to go through my emails to get how much I paid for all this but I bet I didnt pay over $50 for all of the above. I would like to get more of the locomotives as I have a lot on my wish list still but the sales just arent what they were and these locomotives seldom go on sale for more than 30% off.

Another one is American Truck Simulator, I have the base game and a few DLCs but no map DLCs, I got this cause I grew up with many truck games like this and one of the last ones I played was 18 Wheels of Steel that had the whole US in the game and picked it up for $29.99 when it came out. American Truck Simulator how ever gives you California, Nevada, and Arizona. Which isnt bad but it limits you to the western half of the US and limits what kind of jobs you can take. The rest of the states are slowly being added to the game via paid DLC along with skins and equipment both of which you didnt have to really pay for in 18 Wheels of Steel. But to get the complete US and all equipment which is currently offered the total would set you back $188.72 and we still have numerous states to do to complete the US.

So no the masses will never boycott games based on price it is why I dont waste my time calling for boycotts and why I just wait till I can get the products I want for as little as possible. People want to cry about how im harming the game industry by spending as little as I can for a given product but yet no one cares to mention that gaming today has come to the point where you pay top dollar for a incomplete game that they then sell you the rest of the game via DLCs and people gladly buy it spending well over $100 in the end and no one cares. Its why I waited to get FS19 on sale and picked up FS19 with pass for all DLCs and spent under $30 on it all. Your average gamer has been brain washed to the point that they dont care anymore and the publishers couldnt be more happy than ever as its more money for them.

On the topic of the $60 standard, the price of games have been going up. As I stated making a equal comparison for adjusting for inflation the early days of at home game systems we were paying over $100 per game in todays dollar value then in the 1990s things slowly dropped to the point where we were paying under $40 per game in todays dollar value then the mid 2000`s came around the DLC idea exploded due to players not caring about being sold the rest of a game as a DLC and now games are back where they were before costing over $100. That is why I am up in arms about so much the publishers do cause they are screwing us gamers over but nothing will change till people band together and quit falling for it which I dont think will ever happen.

As far as expectations on what should be included in a base game, that is a highly questionable as each person will have a different idea. But to use some ideas from examples I presented above lets use Farming Simulator for an example. If the game is about farming then I would expect the game to come with farming equipment in the standard game. I wouldnt how ever expect the game to come with various maps how ever outside of a US map a Europe Map, a Africa Map and an Asia map to cover all bases. In the case of American Truck Simulator I would expect it to have in the base game well America. Not just a few states and then force us to pay for the other states. In the case of the Hunting Game Call of the Wild, I would expect to be able to well hunt various animals without having to buy other maps. I would alsp expect to have all hunting gear in the base game as well. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for tree stands or blinds when that is vital to hunting. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for guns which is vital to hunting. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for trophy lodges to show off my kills that I kept.

As far as defending one side or the other, I dont defend anyone cause everyone I feel has to make their own choices. I do how ever call out shady business pratices when I see it such as how DLC`s became the standard where the rest of the game is sold to you. In the past we used to get video games that had 10, 15, 20 hours worth of game play and now we get games that dont have that but then sell you the rest of the game via DLC, like Mafia II for example, cut content was sold to us as DLCs which should have been in the base game such as being able to modify your car to a level 3 performance level which was blocked behind a console exclusive dlc for a long time before it was brought to pc. But on the flip side if the DLC is like how Mafia 3 was done where the DLC added new story missions and a new area then I am more ok with that cause we already had a complete game and the added content is to expand on the complete game not to complete the game.

I know this is a long post but this is a interesting topic to cover and break down long as everyone can remain civil about it. Way more productive than simply complaining about the price of the game. The publisher can set what ever price they want, it is we the consumers that allows ourselves to be ripped off by not being able to control ourselves when it comes to how much we are willing to pay for what we get.

I like this post of yours better Rusty! It shows that the pricing isn't really as outrageous as people think it is and its just a matter of perception.

But like you said in there. If you want it now, buy it now. If you want it for less money, buy it later. Just don't get mad because you CAN'T buy it now for cheaper. That sounds like entitlement.

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Origineel geplaatst door Chesty La'Rou:

That sounds like entitlement.

Absolutely not. Because there's a 99% similar, cheaper alternative.
It's just a matter of surprise that for the past 3 big sale events, it didn't go on them, even though it's been released over a year ago. 1 Year ago, or 5, as others said, won't buy for other than 50% off
no entitlement whatsoever, whoever bought it at full price, already did so this past year. Those looking for a better offer, won't just pay full price now because it didn't go on sale. They are trying to take the factorio business style, but with another copy in the market called FS19.