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zataralee 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 4:07
Pay for another license to host a server?
What is this about? If I'm willing to host a dedicated server, that helps the dev and the community. What's the diff between that, and just opening my game for public usage? And if the game isn't even working for multiplayer, why should I pay you twice?
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Skippy The Magnificent 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 4:16 
I have never understood this, considering MANY other games have free server software for their games. Over on the Giants forums I stumbled across a thread there on this same issue, and their response was, more or less, to help combat piracy. IMHO this stance would actually entice piracy (not that im advocating it) just for the server side aspect of it.

If I wanted to host a server in my own home for myself and a few friends, where we tend to have different schedules at times, I should be able to do so without having to purchase a 2nd copy of the game or pay for a server host.

Between this and in-game ads (yes, actual ads are streamed to the game, search steam for this thread), it makes a person question their business practices.
Simeta 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 4:21 
A dev explained it on the official forums, it's just to help with piracy. They can't stop people playing single player on a cracked version but they can control it for a mp server. So if you do not want to pay for a second license then just use one of the hosting sites that support FS.
Skippy The Magnificent 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 4:24 
I just found the link to it:

https://forum.giants-software.com/viewtopic.php?f=963&t=180050#p1406019

And, if you go to the last page and the last post, its worth a laugh.....
Taco 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 5:06 
its kinda dumb. just get the game for half price or lower on a 3rd party site like cd keys or g2a it works good enough for a server key.
Holyvision 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 5:09 
引用自 Taco
its kinda dumb. just get the game for half price or lower on a 3rd party site like cd keys or g2a it works good enough for a server key.

I got it preorder for 25% off on GMG. It was still that price for there fall sale also. Those that pay full price because they can’t use google to each their own.

I think a lot of the “updates” they are supposedly making are them trying to block the pirated from having full access and it’s hurting normal players too but who knows.
zataralee 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 6:07 
After having setup a server I found out that you can't even setup a dedicated server with the version downloaded via steam. They don't include the full "FarmingSimulator2022.exe" that you need to activate the server. I first downloaded it for my server via steam cmd, but the .exe they include on the steam version is really just the steamcmd.exe. You HAVE to buy the digital copy direct from Giant to run a dedicated server. Once they fix this issue ongoing today, I'll have a 16 player server running full time... but it's the last time I support this dev by running servers for them.
Holyvision 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 6:18 
引用自 zataralee
After having setup a server I found out that you can't even setup a dedicated server with the version downloaded via steam. They don't include the full "FarmingSimulator2022.exe" that you need to activate the server. I first downloaded it for my server via steam cmd, but the .exe they include on the steam version is really just the steamcmd.exe. You HAVE to buy the digital copy direct from Giant to run a dedicated server. Once they fix this issue ongoing today, I'll have a 16 player server running full time... but it's the last time I support this dev by running servers for them.

Players literally begged them for dedicated player hosted servers and crossplay while FS19 was the thing. They listened and now we all get to deal with the growing pains of getting what people whined for.
Shintai 2021 年 11 月 30 日 下午 9:58 
引用自 Simeta
A dev explained it on the official forums, it's just to help with piracy. They can't stop people playing single player on a cracked version but they can control it for a mp server. So if you do not want to pay for a second license then just use one of the hosting sites that support FS.

If you believe this I got a bridge to sell.

They are simply greedy and it is a joke at this point.

And to the OP, remember you do not only need to buy a copy as a server, it will also require all the DLCs etc on top.
Simeta 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 2:40 
I don't remember writing that i believed it.
Nihil 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 2:56 
引用自 zataralee
What is this about? If I'm willing to host a dedicated server, that helps the dev and the community. What's the diff between that, and just opening my game for public usage? And if the game isn't even working for multiplayer, why should I pay you twice?
There is nothing strange there.
A lot of other games do that too. Like Ark for example. You can buy a subscription at one of the service providers to have your own server for you and your buddies or for your community. This way the devs don't have to maintain their own infrastructure. (Imagine the rage if the Giant would host the dedicated servers. The usual complains would appear like under every other game, like: "but what if Giant decides to shut everything down, or goes bankrupt?" :D)

If you don't want to pay for servers, than you can host your own game and open it to public, and be the host. You don't have to pay for a secound license. You just have to keep the game running. Which isn't a good solution neither.

Plus don't forget that opening up a local game to public through your machine is only good if you play with your friends, because as more people play the more processing your rig has to perform. Resulting in perforlmance gapes. So even if you buy a 2nd license to create a game and open it up...you still would need (at least highly recommended) a 2nd computer to be able to run it smoothly.
Nihil 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 2:57 
引用自 Shintai
引用自 Simeta
A dev explained it on the official forums, it's just to help with piracy. They can't stop people playing single player on a cracked version but they can control it for a mp server. So if you do not want to pay for a second license then just use one of the hosting sites that support FS.

If you believe this I got a bridge to sell.

They are simply greedy and it is a joke at this point.

And to the OP, remember you do not only need to buy a copy as a server, it will also require all the DLCs etc on top.
Yeah sure. A medium/smal company not wanting to invest into server infrastructure is "greedy" :D You know you can always just rent your own servers through nitrado or whatever. Which if you split up in cost between you and your friends, and it is just a few dollars/euros per month.
Cyrus 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 3:52 
引用自 Nihilus
引用自 Shintai

If you believe this I got a bridge to sell.

They are simply greedy and it is a joke at this point.

And to the OP, remember you do not only need to buy a copy as a server, it will also require all the DLCs etc on top.
Yeah sure. A medium/smal company not wanting to invest into server infrastructure is "greedy" :D You know you can always just rent your own servers through nitrado or whatever. Which if you split up in cost between you and your friends, and it is just a few dollars/euros per month.


Has nothing to do with server infrastructure and everythign to do with greed.

Making a player pay for a second license to run their own dedicated server software is scummy as ♥♥♥♥ these days.

Hell the vast majority of games with dedicated software tools - can be downloaded anaonymously - via Steam CLI - you dont even need to own the base game or even log into Steam directly to setup a server.

As for the piracy complaint from the devs.. bwhahahahahaha.. seriously.. bwhaahahahaha - if a game has MP any player run servers.. you can bet those are very likley also cracked with the game itself. (At the bare minimum able to 'direct connect' play via LAN over WAN type tools)

That being said many cracked games that have their own dedicated server tools, can join those servers without issues, as many games (especially those with player run servers) only verify game version and mods prior to joining and rarely require authentication of any account to verify if its owned. (such as steam authentication)

Not to mention most cracking folks ALSO crack the server tools. (as pointed out in an above comment and on thier own forums- this happened nearly immediatley with this game.)


This is my first FS game - and I bought it more of an impulse buy after watching some vids online without much digging beyond "I'm feeling nostalgic for the farms I grew up around and I wanna play with tractors"

Knowing what I know now, how the devs respond to many very valid complaints, and many of the actions (or inactions) they seem to be taking on critical bugs and stances on issues like this (and not with just this version - looking back they have a bit of a history)... well... should have saved myself the MSRP and waited for a sale and continued to live vicariously though youtube letsplays.


As for your ARk example - the server tools are 100% free, can be downloaded annonymusly- and yes - even cracked versions can join those servers if the version match.


Does renting a physical server cost money? Of course (unless you have the spare hardware) - but thats not what this issue is about. Simply charging for a second copy of the game (on top of whatever server costs you may have) - to even let you set up a server on your own hardware is beyond scummy.
Nihil 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 4:30 
引用自 Cyrus
引用自 Nihilus
Yeah sure. A medium/smal company not wanting to invest into server infrastructure is "greedy" :D You know you can always just rent your own servers through nitrado or whatever. Which if you split up in cost between you and your friends, and it is just a few dollars/euros per month.


Has nothing to do with server infrastructure and everythign to do with greed.

Making a player pay for a second license to run their own dedicated server software is scummy as ♥♥♥♥ these days.

Hell the vast majority of games with dedicated software tools - can be downloaded anaonymously - via Steam CLI - you dont even need to own the base game or even log into Steam directly to setup a server.

As for the piracy complaint from the devs.. bwhahahahahaha.. seriously.. bwhaahahahaha - if a game has MP any player run servers.. you can bet those are very likley also cracked with the game itself. (At the bare minimum able to 'direct connect' play via LAN over WAN type tools)

That being said many cracked games that have their own dedicated server tools, can join those servers without issues, as many games (especially those with player run servers) only verify game version and mods prior to joining and rarely require authentication of any account to verify if its owned. (such as steam authentication)

Not to mention most cracking folks ALSO crack the server tools. (as pointed out in an above comment and on thier own forums- this happened nearly immediatley with this game.)


This is my first FS game - and I bought it more of an impulse buy after watching some vids online without much digging beyond "I'm feeling nostalgic for the farms I grew up around and I wanna play with tractors"

Knowing what I know now, how the devs respond to many very valid complaints, and many of the actions (or inactions) they seem to be taking on critical bugs and stances on issues like this (and not with just this version - looking back they have a bit of a history)... well... should have saved myself the MSRP and waited for a sale and continued to live vicariously though youtube letsplays.


As for your ARk example - the server tools are 100% free, can be downloaded annonymusly- and yes - even cracked versions can join those servers if the version match.


Does renting a physical server cost money? Of course (unless you have the spare hardware) - but thats not what this issue is about. Simply charging for a second copy of the game (on top of whatever server costs you may have) - to even let you set up a server on your own hardware is beyond scummy.
Dude!!!
Again....you DON'T have to buy a 2nd licence! Where did you get this stupidity from?

Just rent a game server like you do for Ark, DayZ, Minecraft, Satisfactory, Valheim ect ect ect ect....
Saying that this is greedy nowadays is just a cryboy cheapstake comment. This game offers you multiplayer which is totally usable. If you want dedicated servers up and running all the time, get it for yourself.
Here you have a very easy step by step how to do it.
https://youtu.be/CjgH2br85hQ

If you want to use your computer as a dedicated server...than sure either buy a license, or just let your game run endlessly. But why on earth would anyone want to do that?

I don't care about the "reason" Giant stated on the side of the decision of this approach with the piracy ect. I never care about anything a game developer says about piracy, since every game dev is always using piracy just as an excuse for things they want to do. But that is a totally different discussion point.
Cyrus 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 5:21 
None of the listed games you mention require a second license to run your own server,

NONE
OF
THEM

All of the above server software is provided for free, most of the time without even owning the base game itself.

I have run my own severs for all the games you listed (minus DayZ) and this has never been an issue. This has never been an issue with ANY game I have EVER run a server for. And I have been doing so for 15+ years. (I have an ARK, Minecraft, and 7 days server running right now)

If you want to run your own dedicated server on your own hardware - you NEED a second licesne - period.


Being able to rent a server that includes this already - does not negate this argument in anyway as you ARE paying for the second license, just indirectly.

Just because you are not running your own server on your own hardware does not mean this is not an issue or that this practice is not scummy as ♥♥♥♥.
Nihil 2021 年 12 月 1 日 上午 6:58 
引用自 Cyrus
None of the listed games you mention require a second license to run your own server,

NONE
OF
THEM

All of the above server software is provided for free, most of the time without even owning the base game itself.

I have run my own severs for all the games you listed (minus DayZ) and this has never been an issue. This has never been an issue with ANY game I have EVER run a server for. And I have been doing so for 15+ years. (I have an ARK, Minecraft, and 7 days server running right now)

If you want to run your own dedicated server on your own hardware - you NEED a second licesne - period.


Being able to rent a server that includes this already - does not negate this argument in anyway as you ARE paying for the second license, just indirectly.

Just because you are not running your own server on your own hardware does not mean this is not an issue or that this practice is not scummy as ♥♥♥♥.
And again as i said.....NEITHER DO YOU HERE. Are you blind or just ignorant?
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